CaV: Composite Shinigami (Brown Zeus) vs Composite Shinobi (Darthjhawk) vs Composite Marine (Shirso): OPEN for VOTES !!!

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#151 darthjhawk  Moderator

@darthjhawk: hey mate you still interested in this? I ask because I see you actively doing other cavs while this one is just lingering around.

yeah sorry man, this is just too much to sift through and make a dedicated post too atm. I can try and get to it after I get out of school at the end of the month ut right now I can't finish this one.

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@darthjhawk: ahh cool then. Yeah take your time RL is way more important specially when one goes to school

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#156  Edited By BrownZeus

@shirso: @darthjhawk: to be honest I hate the idea of opebing now because I was REALLY betting on a 3rd post to make my case a strong one. Looking so far most of what I have been doing is cataloging abilities and adding counters but this is a CAV not a debate and it is the the arguments that are made instead of the numbers that are displayed that make the victor. At this moment my argument is obiously the weakest of the 3 and for this reason and I can allready see that L looming over my head.

That being said it has been a whilesince we started this and at least for me it is a slightly annoying thing to have in the back of my mind and even a chore at times so I am ok with you guys opening this if you want to.

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#158  Edited By BrownZeus

@thenewguysnm1: darthjhawk allready said that he needs a long time to get his post out. With composites darthjhawk basically needs to use an entire manga's worth of material to make his post and then make counters/responses. The following cav post will be the last each of us get to make in this thread, so give him time.

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So much going on for the ultimate fighters you could easily make a 30 page essay on one person’s abilities

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Yeah this one deserves closure.

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#162 darthjhawk  Moderator

@brownzeus: @shirso: You both have been incredibly patient with me. If you can give 2 more weeks I can close this out from my end. I need to go though everything as well as give a full review of why I think my guy wins.

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#163  Edited By BrownZeus

@darthjhawk: if you think you can make it 2 weeks go for it. As far as I am concerned as long as you make it good it wil be worth the wait.

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Deciding who to vote for’s gonna be a pain.

Damn, kudos to you guys

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If I have time I'll try to look through this next week.

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I'll look at it over the next few days.

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#169 socajunkie  Moderator

I’ll vote tomorrow.

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Holy crap this was still ongoing? This idea was well over a year ago, I remember the thread and all this originated

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I'm going to try to read this quickly before votes close. Good job finishing this tho.

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#173  Edited By BrownZeus

@darthjhawk: @shirso:

Damn I can hear that L coming. In hindsight I should have started arguing for mutiple scenarios and situations instead of just cataloguing so many abilities. Still looking back this was my first CAV. To have the privilege to discuss with 2 skilled and experienced debaters like shirso and Darthjhawk really was a experience to learn a lot from and now that wr are more than a year away from back when we started this thread I can see some flaws in my arguments that I wish I had argued for differently.

Regardless it was fun. Thanks for being so awesome.

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#174  Edited By socajunkie  Moderator

This was a real treat to read through on so many levels: I have a soft spot for Composite battles because of the creativity such a fight always has, leaving lots of variables and therefore testing the debating skill of each individual far more than a standard fight would.

What is more- I’m aware of the ‘too many variables’ factor so I can understand the nerfs and restrictions even if it does go against the purpose of ‘Composite’ as Vivas has stated.

Bleach is also the only HST Manga/Anime I haven’t completed in one way- I’m only on chapter 14 so most of my knowledge on it comes from years of Vine debating and what Princearagorn1 + MrIngenuity have informed me about it.

I’ve watched the Naruto anime from start to finish so I can understand in depth motivations/tiers etc however I’m far from an expert. Out of 10 my Naruto knowledge is about a 7.

There isn’t a fiction I know better than One Piece so apologies in advance, Shirso if I’m extra critical of your posts :P

OPENERS:

DJH: Aesthetically pleasing, structured well with the Stat run down and the theme song addition users add I quite enjoy because it puts personality into their posts.

Naruto has a shit ton of abilities lol so it would take a long ass time go through each methodically so I’m pleased to see you kept things succinct with a focus on the most powerful/bread and butter Jutsus from Naruto and Sasuke.

Criticism: In debates I like to imagine I’m fighting someone to the death and if I see my opponent is bleeding from the side, I’d target that wound like a shark smelling blood. This is an analogy for using every advantage possible: I appreciate it’s just an opener but you could have honed in on the strengths of the Shinobi compared to the Marine and Shinigami for strategy like Genjutsu, started a strong case for it then so ya readers have it in our minds but more importantly to make life as difficult as possible for Shirso and Zeus.

Opener out of 10- 8

Shirso:

That Marine pic is so sexy I’m fangasming rn.

You did exactly what I would have done and what I would have liked to see DJH do: start a case based on an advantage OP has over Naruto and Bleach, the stats/defence. Nice.

Structured very well and an easy read, lexically flowing like a waterfall.

You do a fantastic job of presenting what an opener should be: concise yet detailed, hyping up what your character can do to the audience to get them invested for later posts as I’ve seen you do with the Armament Haki section after talking about Eneru’s lightning.

Excellent job starting with the most powerful/hax DFs like Edward’s, Law’s, Eneru’s and Moria’s and again you did what I would have done with listing some more esoteric DFs like Pink’s and Absalom’s.

You’ve gone for the kill here by giving your opponents a lot to deal with/plan for/take into account.

Criticism: only one, you’ve given the Marine a NLF by saying they’re immune to blunt force because of Luffy’s Devil Fruit which would be the case in-universe however for cross-universe fights, you should only go by the best shown durability feat or in this case a mix because its composite.

Anyway, 9/10

Zeus:

I appreciate the run down of special abilities/concepts etc due to my relative Bleach ignorance and it’s kept succinct enough to not drag on or clutter up your post.

Cool and informative gifs which make your arguments easier to understand moreso than reading scans that can fall victim to being tedious.

I love how you’re going to focus on offensive powers for Shinigamis and Hollows as that’s the best method in free for all CaVs: attack and attack with your best.

Criticisms: you could and should have cut off the fat from your posts- you spend valuable words giving background info instead of just focusing on what the powers/abilities do and more importantly what they will do to the Marine and Shinobi specifically. It isn’t enough to explain how someone is impressive, it’s crucial to explain how EFFECTIVE they will be in relation to your adversaries.

The fat makes your post a difficult read and you have a glaring weakness when you talked about that ink power cloning and their incompetency. This is a CaV so don’t include any weaknesses your character has, for someone like me and the audience- we need to be confident your character will win and that’s expressed through your words.

If you’re not confident then you won’t convince anyone of your argument.

With that all said though I’m very impressed taking into account this is your first CaV. It’s structured well and competent all things considered.

7/10

Shirso wins the first round IMO

R2.

DJH: pretty awesome surgical breakdown of advanced CoO vs Sharingan body reading that I completely agree with.

Very valid points regarding CoO’s aura sensing vs Dojutsu meant for looking at ‘auras’

Anyway I’m not gonna go over every point you made because that is longer than Mother Snake so summary of your counters to S + BZ: excellent. You have me convinced the Ninja will win at this point, Shirso is a great debater but he has a bad habit of getting lazy with his lexis with grandiose claims/statements (‘99%’) and untrue assessments that’s only easy to poke holes in if you’re on his level of debating or above it.

You’ve found the holes and shot bullets into them. Yes, Darth, you Bad Boy 2 the bone. Shit just got real.

Shirso:

Goddammit you silly Sanji fanboy. Here we bloody go again with your bias. No he doesn’t have better CoO than Katakuri and by ‘fans’ hyping him up, you mean you, Kroczilla, SkySanji and Kingoflightning.

Oda saying Sanji is the CoO specialist of the M3 and therefore better than Luffy and Zoro is only relevant prior to Luffy vs Katakuri where Straw Hat went through a power creep during that battle and evolved his Haki into future sight.

Katakuri’s Haki is evolved to where he can see events like bombs going off, words being spoken etc whereas normal level CoO is restricted to limited 1 v 1 precog.

Sanji has never shown event based precognition and currently Luffy’s CoO is better.

You didn’t adequately counter DJH’s argument, you’re not focusing on what he said in regards to the Sharingan reading muscle movements etc you’re being vague.

‘this method has become more and more obsolete against Katakuri level CoO.’

No it hasn’t. It’s a case by case basis where speed and unpredictability used to overwhelm precognition is still a valid option evidenced by G4SM Luffy vs Dogtooth which you’ve omitted because it weakens your G4BM vs Katakuri side note. Very sneaky.

Very good points regarding WB’s quakes and Kizaru’s lasers not being able to be ‘muscle read’ by Sharingan.

TLDR: I’m somewhat satisfied overall but I’m still more convinced by DJH’s counter.

BZ: daaaaaammmmmnnn you really came into your own here, Bleach is crazy hax and you have me convinced Kubo is gonna win.

Again, I don’t know Bleach that well so I can’t be as critical as I am with One Piece and Naruto but your debating skills are high tier and you’ve shown good composure.

Your structuring is sound as well :D

Great showing from all three but I’m giving this to BZ with Shirso and DJH as joint second because S’s opener was better than Darth’s but Darth’s counters were better than Shirso’s.

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#175 cergic  Online

I want to read through this

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i'll go with Shirso here, excellent opener and finisher. went strait for a kill in the beginning and countered everything the opponents did. well done.

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The thing about debating with a Composite Bleach character, you REALLY have to know your hax and REALLY have to know how to debate with it, luckily for Bleach, it got one of the best debaters for the series repping it, @brownzeus and he did a damn great job, he definitely did the best when it came to the powers and conclusion parts. When it comes to debating I believe @darthjhawk did the best and when it came to countering @shirso was the best. Which is why I don't feel like I could give a vote without being biased in some way, so I'll let the other voters decide.

Honestly, there likely couldn't have been a better 3 debaters than you guys when it came to a Comp HST faceoff lol.

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#179 darthjhawk  Moderator

@faradaysloth: @rikuyamaha: @socajunkie: Yo thanks for the votes guys! I appreciate you taking the time to read this behemoth of a Cav. Even though you should've voted for me

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#180  Edited By socajunkie  Moderator

@darthjhawk: It was a pleasure to read. All three of you are comparable in raw debating skill but you hold an edge. If this thread finished properly with say 4 posts each with counters and everything I’d predict that I’d have voted for:

You beating Shirso but still losing to Zeus because he’s just been dealt a much easier hand with Bleach hax and versatility so I wouldn’t have been convinced by your counter-arguments as that mountain is too steep to climb.

Best analogy for you vs Zeus would be...Jackie Chan w/ a knife vs Jet Lee with a gun starting 30 feet apart.

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#181 darthjhawk  Moderator

@socajunkie: I see haha. Well I appreciate the analogy. It definitely makes sense in that context

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@socajunkie: Thanks for voting. Btw this CaV was done when WCI was far from over and was only in Mama's tea party stages. So the entire fandom was hyping that Sanji would be the one to fight Dogtooth because of how badass his dodge of the Jrlly beans was.

But alas, Oda chose to go with golden boy Luffy :(

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#183  Edited By socajunkie  Moderator

@shirso: Fair enough, mate, great context I missed. With that taken into account it’s deadlocked between you and DJH.

Fear not as Sanji might shine against Queen...after Luffy has his showing against him xD

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bump for more votes