Naruto Uzumaki // Konoha's Most Unpredictable Ninja
During the reign of the 4th Hokage, the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox appeared and wreaked havoc on the village of Konoha, the 4th Hokage risked his life to stop the beast's rampage by sealing one half of it in himself and the other half to his infant son who would later become a hero of the 4th Great Ninja War Naruto Uzumaki, he was despised by the people in the village who saw him as the Nine-Tails in human form but after winning multiple battles and undergoing multiple hardships Naruto Uzumaki gained the respect of not just the village of Konoha but the Five Great Shinobi Countries.
"Believe It"'
You either hate him or love him but you can't deny that he is one of the most popular characters in the medium of anime being in the same tier of popularity as Goku, Ash Ketchum, Luffy. Naruto is quite a versatile character in his own right and despite being ignorant on multiple things he is undoubtedly a cunning and brave ninja.
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Ninja Dictionary // Terms
Chakra: is a substance found in the Naruto world that allows for the use of Jutsu's, every person in the world has a chakra and there are groups of people (Shinobi) that use it to serve their respective villages.
Jutsu: are the mystical arts a ninja will utilise in battle. To use a technique, the ninja will need to use their chakra. To perform a technique, the ninja will bring out and release the two energies of chakra. By forming hand seals, the ninja is able to manifest the desired technique. Because of the extensive number of hand seals and different combinations, there are thousands of potential techniques to be discovered, there are three types: Taijutsu (techniques involving Martial Arts), Genjutsu (techniques revolving around sensory illusions), and finally Ninjutsu (any technique that doesn't already fit on the 2 other types I've mentioned).
Senjutsu: are a specialised field of Jutsu that involve the use of natural energy which exists in the atmosphere and the world of Naruto.
I. The Child Of The Prophecy // Power
Naruto Uzumaki was born with vast reserves of Chakra as his mother was part of the Uzumaki clan who possessed incredibly strong life forces and chakra, aside from that Naruto is also the reincarnation of Asura Otsutsuki who was one of the two sons of the Sage of Six Paths a godlike person hailed as the ancestor of all Shinobi and the person who spread chakra all around the world. This would of course be further amplified by the fact that Naruto is the person who holds the Nine-Tails within him, to put it simply Tailed Beast are basically 9 huge living forms of chakra, Naruto holds within him the power of the Nine-Tails the strongest of the Tailed-Beast and a creature who in the very first chapter of the manga was said to cause landslides and tsunamis by shaking its tail.
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Naruto and the Nine-Tailed Fox who had a telepathic link with each other had a rough relationship at first, but later the two started to gain respect for one another, culminating in the Nine-Tailed Beast sharing his name Kurama to Naruto and synchronizing their hearts.
These events caused Naruto to unlock Bijuu Mode a transformation that lets Naruto "summon" Kurama on the battlefield and gives him access to destructive moves such as the Tailed-Beast Bomb which is powerful enough to vaporize entire mountains whole, completely vaporizing large mountains like the ones shown below should be in the Island lvl range in terms of energy output due to the properties of vaporization.
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The power of these Tailed-Beast Bombs doesn't just end here, shortly after those mountains above were destroyed, 5 of the Tailed Beast combined their Bijuu Bomb together to create one supercharged Bijuu Bomb, Naruto and Kurama then responded by using equal force and forming a Bijuu Bomb comparable to that of what the 5 Tailed Beast achieved, resulting in a breathtaking explosion that dwarfs entire mountain ranges completely.
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Combining the power of 5 Bijuu Bombs (which I've already said are individually Island lvl in energy output) along with another bomb from Kurama that matched it and caused an explosion of that calibre should solidly place the feat above in the Country lvl range in energy output. This series of feats are very telling of the insane escalation of power the verse is undergoing which will only progress as the arc goes on.
Now, before I begin to explain the things BSM Naruto scales to, I will dedicate a section to a being that would be important in explaining my scaling, The Ten-Tails.
The Ten-Tails is the sum aggregate of all the Tailed Beasts, it has a chakra that Kurama described as immeasurable, it was said that it drank oceans, split open the earth, hoisted mountains and was considered the creator-god of many nations. The Ten-Tails has feats that live up to the hype that it was stated to be. The Ten-Tails in its very first form can shrug off a combined Bijuu Bomb from two of the most powerful Tailed Beasts (Nine-Tails and Eight-Tails).
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The Ten-Tails would later transform into its V2 stage and become even more powerful to the point that its chakra signature resembles that of a small planet. Madara and Obito then control the Ten-Tails to launch a Juubi Bomb that casually surpasses anything a Bijuu has done at this point.
The Ten-Tails then reaches its V3 form, gaining another massive power boost in the form of even larger Juubi Bombs.
The ball of chakra the Ten-Tails forms above is almost comparable to the size of its own body, I should mention that the previous form of the Juubi (V2) fired cones the size of its mouth which caused country lvl output, imagine the output of the V3 Juubidama which produces a chakra ball that can fit dozens of the cones that the V2 Juubi fired, it should pretty obvious at this point that bigger is better if we're talking about Tailed-Beast Bombs, at this point the Ten-Tails holds Continental lvls of power.
The V3 Juubidama was unable to destroy the four Hokage's 4 Crimson Ray Formation Barrier, this proves that the barrier the Hokage's put up can withstand a Continental lvl energy output. This is important because Obito later becomes the Juubi Jinchuriki and carries both their powers are amplified. One of the first things Obito did after becoming the Juubi Jinchuriki was casually destroying the same barrier that could withstand the V3 Juubidama, he did this with chakra arms.
He did this while he was unstable, later, Juubi Obito eventually became stable and was the strongest character in the battlefield at that point, now this is when Naruto will be performing a certain feat that will scale him in the Continental range, Juubito created a Six Crimson Ray Formation Barrier (even more durable than the ones the Hokage created earlier) to entrap the Shinobi Alliance, then fired four Juubidama (should be individually Continental in power at this point), the Shinobi Alliance was successfully teleported away from the barrier and after the 4 Juubidama's were fired the barrier was fine, Juubito also created a TSB shield that managed to tank the 4 Juubidama. Naruto then added Senjutsu into his Bijuu Mode becoming the form known as BSM (the one I am using in this debate) Sage Mode can multiply the user's power by more than ten times since even a bootleg version of Sage Mode called Curse Mark can give a user 10x increase.
Naruto along with his father who had the other half of Nine-Tails managed to eviscerate Juubi Obito's chakra arms (the same one that destroyed the barrier erected by the 4 Hokage's that could withstand Continental lvl attacks)
This feat is bare-minimum Continental lvl due to them overpowering Juubito's chakra arms, and both Naruto and Minato contributed to this feat, thus giving Naruto scaling to Continental lvl at this form.
II. The Child Of The Prophecy // Speed
Now we get to what I consider to be the easiest part to do in my entire post, Naruto as a verse has many concrete feats and statements about speed so let's get to it.
The feat above was done by a weaker version of Kakashi that would no doubt lose to the version of Naruto I am arguing, but it serves as a baseline for even greater speed feats to come.
In the Naruto Retsuden novel which is canon in the timeline, a weakened Naruto at base form with only a Byakugan goggle was able to dodge a photon beam, this is where I start arguing BSM Naruto's placement of speed being Rel+ or close to Lightspeed.
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Of course, the above feat being done by a weakened base Naruto should scale this feat to BSM Naruto, this Naruto who dodged the beam being slightly older and more experience doesn't mean he is stronger at base than his stronger forms when he was a teen.
Another feat that is close to being Lightspeed would be Madara and Muu successfully reacting to and blocking Tsunade and Ay's lightspeed transportation due to a technique. It's called teleportation by the Raikage but it's actually transportation.
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Above, we can see that when Tsunade and Ay reach the battlefield, Madara and Muu managed to react and block the attacks from Tsunade and Ay while they are still under the Lightspeed transportation technique as we can still see the aura of the technique around them when they attacked Madara and Muu. This is a Relativistic+ (close to lightspeed) feat for Madara.
Bijuu Mode Naruto scales to Madara's speed since they did clash tho briefly.
Overall, Naruto should be around close to Lightspeed in his Bijuu Sage Mode form (Rel+) and should be enough to keep up with where my opponent places Askin.
III. The Child Of The Prophecy // Versatility & Prowess
Versatility
Naruto as a protagonist is quite versatile in his own right, gaining many powerups and abilities along the way in his journey to becoming Hokage. In this case, I'll be going over the ones that will make the most impact in this matchup.
One of Naruto's most traditional Jutsu is the Shadow Clone Jutsu.
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By dividing the user's chakra he can create a copy of himself, the Shadow Clone Jutsu creates physically real clones of the user, the user's clothes, weapons, abilities, transformations are all things the clones have, Naruto, when he was 12 years old during Chapter 1, managed to create thousands of shadow clones, this speaks volumes on Naruto's chakra reserves since this technique is only usually performed by Jonin level shinobi (highly experienced and skilled shinobi that serve as military captains in their villages), Naruto often uses them in clever and unpredictable ways.
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Another one of Naruto's most common moves would be the Rasengan, a spinning ball of chakra formed on Naruto's hands. When the Rasengan makes contact with its target, it grinds into them, propelling them along the Rasengan's trajectory - either away from the user or into the earth beneath them - until it bursts, delivering significant damage at the point of impact.
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Naruto throughout his journey on becoming Hokage created many variants of the Rasengan, it is by far Naruto's most common offensive move, he has little to no trouble with spamming it just like with shadow clones and sometimes use both of them together to great effect and can even add Senjutsu to make it even stronger.
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The Rasengan also has a shuriken shaped counterpart known as the Rasenshuriken, the centre sphere of the Rasenshuriken detonates at a given distance or collides with a target it can't slice through, causing a wind vortex in the nearby region. Countless microscopic wind blades are generated within this vortex, so many that even the Sharingan can't keep track of them all, and the wind blades pierce every cell in the body, in Bijuu Mode or Kurama Chakra Mode he can use the Rasenshuriken an unlimited number of times.
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And, aside from all that I've already mentioned in this section, Naruto also gained access to the Tailed Beast Bombs (already said that earlier), which gives him a destructive attack that can cover and vaporize entire large mountains.
Overall, Naruto has a lot going for him in terms of techniques.
Prowess
One of the greatest things about Naruto is his skill and cleverness in battle, while brash and sometimes acting without thinking, Naruto's years as a prankster had given him a sharp mind that helped him make split-second decisions, which has proven crucial in battle. He is a wonderful tactile learner, preferring to learn by doing rather than reading about a task.
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Naruto's greatest mental skill is his ability to deceive and outsmart his opponents in battle, usually preparing ahead and using even the most basic of techniques to defeat the deadliest of foes, In the heat of combat, he could devise multi-step or backup plans quite easily and act quickly even when given new information. He can also create a rhythm that appears to make him predictable, just to throw his opponent off by breaking it. He's even used approaches that others would dismiss as absolutely ineffective against powerful opponents in order to create an opportunity for a counterattack.
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Naruto is a keen observer, able to pick up on details that others would miss and use them to his advantage against his foes, this gives him a good countermeasure to opponents that would usually be seen as having no weaknesses, he is very quick to act upon learning new information.
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Overall, Naruto is a genius when it combats to combat and employs strategies even experienced people would find genius, he is quick to exploit new pieces of information he finds mid-battle.
IV. The Child Of Prophecy // Conclusion
I'll just summarize the stuff I have explained here.
Bijuu Sage Mode Naruto should have solid scaling to Continental lvl
Bijuu Sage Mode Naruto should be around near the speed of light
Naruto has many techniques and variations he can use when the time calls
Naruto is a genius in battle and can trick smart opponents with basic moves and can act quickly when given new pieces of information.
This should be enough to match where my opponent places Askin.
Here I will be illustrating the power of Askin in a short opener.
Preliminary
Firstly, I will establish the overall strength of Askin in the hierarchy of the Sternritter, due to his position as in the Schutzstaffel. The Schutzstaffel are an elite unit chosen to enter the Royal Palace to combat the Zero Squad directly. Askin was the only one chosen out of all the Sternritter that resided in Soul Society:
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He claims Yhwach picked him because he just wouldn’t die:
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All of Sternritter down in Soul Society were deemed unnecessary by Jugram and Yhwach, and compared to food by Robert:
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This alone proves that Askin scales above the Sternritter not only in terms of attack potency but especially in terms of defense and survivability. This is because he was specifically picked because he refuses to die according to himself.
In this section, I’ve provided proved that Askin scales comfortably above the Sternritter below as their lives were deemed expendable, their abilities were deemed useless, and their existence was deemed unnecessary by Yhwach. This affirms the defensive capabilities of Askin, which allow him to stay alive longer than most and was chosen as such.
Section 1: The AP and defensive capabilities of Askin
Let’s look at Kenpachi and Royd Loyd first.
Scaling from inferior Sternritter
Royd Loyd with his Blut is able to withstand small country levels of energy from Yamamoto’s 15 million-degree Bankai, and he was able to effortlessly block attacks from a post-timeskip Kenpachi with zero damage, and destroy him:
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This Kenpachi in the novel Spirits are Forever with You, was already on the level of Hollow Ichigo according to Uryu who was a direct observer of the Hollow Ichigo vs Ulquiorra fight. He got far stronger towards the end of the novel, needing an eyepatch that absorbed ten more times the energy than the previous:
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Hollow Ichigo was already effortlessly crushing attacks in the country+ level range in Lanza Del Relampago:
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This is not only country level for eclipsing Las Noches, a castle which takes six days to walk around (small-country sized), but it is also above the likes of Cero Oscuras, which is country-level in itself through calculations involving it's vaporization properties, which Lanza Del Relampago should also carry considering it is a more powerful technique from the same user:
Hollow Ichigo crushes country-level attacks effortlessly, Kenpachi is stated to be at his level and even eclipses this level by the end of the novel, and Royd is able to destroy this level of power effortlessly.
Currently, it wouldn’t be at all far-fetched to say Royd’s durability and AP sit around the large country range, but I will make this concrete. Royd was harmed by Yamamoto’s Shikai, Ryujin Jakka:
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The same Ryujin Jakka that Base Bazz-B’s flames are stated to be equal to:
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Bazz-B is already in the Large Country range in terms of durability and attack potency, undoubtedly. Askin scales above his power deemed unnecessary and useless by Yhwach, but it doesn’t stop here. Let’s now explore Quincy Vollstandig, and how Askin is proven to be even more powerful than this.
Quincy Vollstandig
I will discuss Askin's own Vollstandig abilities and abilities in general in his abilities section. This section is just to discuss the power increase, and use it to affirm Askin’s strength.
Quincy have developed a technique called Vollstandig, an evolution to the outdated Letzt Stil that when used, rescinds the powers of the Quincy. It increases the strength, speed, durability, and reactions of the user, as well as granting them various abilities.
The outdated Letzt Stil, granted Uryu (who was being outsped by Base Mayuri), once activated, made Mayuri feel a level of reiatsu he had never felt before:
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To put a number on it, the increase in strength Vollstandig offers is far greater than ten times.
This is illustrated with Mask de Masculine, who was already crushing multiple captain class enemies using Bankai in base:
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While fighting Renji, he increased his strength by 10 times, and this punch was utterly insignificant to Renji, as he blocked it with a single hand:
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Whereas when Mask de Masculine activated Vollstandig, he was able to pressure Renji backward, causing him to exclaim and suspend him in the air:
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Unequivocally proving that strength Vollstandig offers is far greater than ten times.
This puts the unnecessary and useless Sternritter left in Soul Society such as Bazz-B, well into the continental class in terms of strength when in Vollstandig.I’m here to tell you, Askin STILL scales above this. Shikai Byakuya was able to easily neutralize three Sternritter who were using Vollstandig with no visible injury:
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And Askin scales far above these characters and their fighting ability in BASE, having the capability to neutralize threats like True Shikai Ichigo and Yoruichi, the former who is a high tier, and the latter who was able to fight with Base Aizen:
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To recap:
Askin in BASE FORM pushes into the continental classes in terms of durability and AP due to scaling far above unnecessary and useless Sternritter like Bazz-B. This isn’t even counting his own Vollstandig, where his abilities likely approach further into the continental class in terms of AP and durability. I believe this is more than enough for him to contend during this fight.
Section 2: The speed of Askin
Askin’s speed is nothing to scoff at, and I put Askin’s reaction speed into the relativistic to FTL range, and I’ll illustrate why using the novels and on-panel feats.
Firstly, Askin was the only Sternritter that was able to react to Oetsu multiple times, while he effortlessly murdered the other Elites who couldn’t react:
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How fast is Oetsu? In Can't Fear Your Own World, he was able to defeat, along with Ichibei, the full power of Ikomikidomoe, a being that threatened the Soul Palace itself:
Hikone, utilizing the power of Ikomikidomoe and various other speed techniques, was able to achieve a speed that is extremely close to the speed of light, if not outright light speed, described here to save time:
Base Kenpachi was able to keep up with Hikone. Oetsu scales above all of this by virtue of him defeating Ikomikidomoe in the past with Ichibei, and Askin is able to react to and dodge his attacks in Base form, putting him at least into the relativistic to LS reaction range.
This is consistent as other unnecessary Sternritter are able to react to Auschwalen, a light that traversed the distance between the Soul Palace and Seireitei in mere moments (before relativistic Oetsu could attack, and he had decided to attack already):
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And Askin was able to deal with True Shikai Ichigo:
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A character who is faster than the attacks of SK Yhwach according to Orihime, stating that she couldn't keep up with Ichigo's movements at all:
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Attacks from SK Yhwach, in a weaker form, far exceed the speed of light even lowballed:
To lowball even further, I'm going to assume that Ichigo when hurrying is only as fast as Base Grimmjow, and downplay his movement speed.
When these numbers are crunched the lowballed distance you get from the Soul Palace to Seireitei is 14,779,938 km.
This is 38 times the distance from the earth to the moon or about 10 times the diameter of the sun.
Yhwach's casual attack speed with Mimihagi absorbed crossed the distance between the Soul Palace and Seireitei before debris and dust fell:
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A few panels later (seconds) the debris and dust are already gone.
Now, back to lowballing. It takes far longer than 5 seconds for debris and dust to fall the distance it did, especially considering it was ejected downwards by the laser. Using 5 seconds for the time frame, what speed do you get?
With this evidence, I can comfortably put Askin in the relativistic to FTL ranges in reaction and combat speed, which should be more than enough for him to be a contender in this battle.
Regarding the thread above, I humbly ask for the sections that I dragged from to be addressed, as many of my opinions in the thread have changed concerning Candice, but my opinion on Ichigo's travel speed, the distance between the Soul Palace and Seireitei, and Yhwach's FTL attack speed haven't changed.
Section 3: The personal abilities of Askin
Now onto the Juicy stuff.
The Deathdealing
Askin’s bread and butter.
Askin can control the lethal dosage of a substance, the smallest amount that will induce death without fail, of any substance that he consumes enough of. He can raise and lower the value as he sees fit, which can either make him completely immune to a substance or induce instant death in an enemy.
Here he is, consuming blood and causing Oetsu Nimaya to start dying due to his own blood becoming lethal to him:
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Here he is using Gift Ball, which when thrown at an enemy causes them to be poisoned by his chosen substance. He has included nitrogen and oxygen within these Gift Balls:
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He also has Gift Bad, which allows him to create an area in which if an opponent steps within, their resistance against any substance can be reduced, this can even include their own spiritual energy. He uses this to flatten opponents as strong as True Shikai Ichigo, leaving him completely helpless:
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When Askin consumes enough of a substance, even if it is just enough for him to survive, he will become immune and instantly heal his injures. Any attacks with the same energy will be completely unable to harm him, and he will become totally immune to damage from them.
Askin is blasted by both Yoruichi’s full power Shunko and also Yushiro Shihoin’s Shunko:
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He barely survived, but became completely immune to damage from all their attacks, and wasn’t even moved an inch:
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He also instantly heals his injuries as a result of this:
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Onto his Vollstandig. Askin’s Vollstandig Hasshein (God’s Poison Taster), apart from affording all the defensive and offensive increases mentioned prior, offers him a stronger level of resistance. He can adapt to changes in reiatsu and any other substance, and the speed of his immunity is also increased drastically.
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In this form, Askin can produce an enormous version of a gift ball called Gift Ball Deluxe, where he can control the immunities of all characters concerned within at will, which as I mentioned includes reishi, oxygen, nitrogen, and any other substance he happens to consume:
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He can further fortify this Gift Ball by using Gift Bereich, a barrier he claims cannot be escaped from. Urahara was able to penetrate this barrier only using spatial deconstruction, which Askin can also heal from by the way:
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And lastly, his most potent ability, Gift Ring. It focuses all his death-dealing powers into one spot, inducing instant death at the region of the body that it touches, essentially death manipulation:
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Section 4: Quincy abilities
I’ll discuss two common Quincy abilities, one of which will be extremely useful in this fight.
Blut
Quincy make reishi flow directly into their blood vessels, which can directly increase their attack and defensive power to inhuman levels.
There are two versions that normal Quincy can utilize: Blut Arterie and Blut Vene, both for offensive and defensive purposes respectively. The drawback is that these abilities cannot be utilized at the same time, but can be skilfully switched between during battle. Blut Vene also increases internal durability, as it is connected to nerves. Royd’s throat was protected by his Blut Vene from Zanka no Tachi:
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Sklaverei
Using this ability, Quincy can absorb reishi, even from enemies that are vastly stronger than them. The user receives their power as an addition to their own as a result. Quilted completely absorbs Ayon, who crushed him and admits he is too strong for him to handle, instantly, and adds his power to his own:
This can also be used to absorb shields like Orihime’s a shield that can deflect attacks from SK Yhwach and possesses abilities that far surpass temporal and spatial regression:
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This is my opener to Askin's abilities, thank you for reading, and good luck @gdara.
@laufnyr: Yeah, just an opener, but no counters like we agreed on. Yours is coming, but as you probably understand, it’s taking me a lot of time to figure out wth I’m doing.
@laufnyr: Yeah, just an opener, but no counters like we agreed on. Yours is coming, but as you probably understand, it’s taking me a lot of time to figure out wth I’m doing.
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