@Vance Astro: You should lock this imo. I can see no way for Carnage to beat She Hulk.
Carnage vs She Hulk
@Rumble Man: 700#
A Guide to Superhero Tussles
In certain superhero fights, Prepare to swallow a load of Plot induced Stupidity.
Hulk is not slow at all. He's been shown to be faster than the speed of sound. even faster than fighter jets, rockets, planes, and heavy artillery mortar shells. He is shown to be faster than them by dodging, punching, catching, jumping, making sonic boom shockwaves, etc.
Speed is made mention in Marvel comics, just not too much, because it's not necessary when the readers know that the comics at least follow those three simple rules. Speed is mentioned way more in the archetypical superhero comicbook, like Superman, because he's the guy who defined the genre. The typical superhuman experience of being stronger, faster, smarter(greater brain function), and just all-around better than ever.
In fight between characters on the same power-level, speed is implied. Writers show it in some action that the hero does but rarely stated in the midst of a fight and emphasized with excessively large speedy-motion lines, but we know its there. With fights between vastly more powerful guys and vastly weaker characters, speed ignored. When weaker guys fight guys far higher than their power-level, Plot Induced Stupidity(PIS) will be involved. Writers have to find some way to make the fight last longer because realistically, the weaker guy loses.
How the fights between highly mismatched power should really go down...
If Hulk(or any character of top tier power-level) exerted the level of force in punch that he reserves for guys like Thor or Silver Surfer, against street-levelers like Wolverine or Spider-man, he'd undoubtedly splatter them like flies. The rate at which his arm extends, the speed(s=d/t) is always to the same proportion as the force. With punches like that, no street-level guys could withstand the impact and none would be able to react fast enough and move out of the way in time. Either way it's certain death. Hulk acts only to swat them away with enough force to stun or KO them, not kill them. Of course doing this would lessen the speed of the strikes he throws. Hulk may be a grumpy rampaging monster but he's not a heartless murderer.
The Hulk(and others) has thrown hits at these street-level guys strong enough to kill, smashing concrete and steel, but still nothing earth-quaking.
Hulk's more serious punches are easily is easily earthquaking. The indirect effects of those punches make air-shockwaves of tremendous force.
When Hulk actually did hit Wolvie with enough force comparable to an earthquake, guess what? Wolverine could not dodge! Is Hulk supposed to kill every street-level person he fights? Not everyone can heal like Wolverine in the case where Hulk decides to give them a bigger taste of his power.
Hulk's tactics against street levers:
A. Wait until they get tired while trying to strike them grab a hold of them without causing top much harm because the Hulk doesn't get tired when stressed.
B. immediately swat them away with
C. Thunderclap them. Either knocking them off-balance by affect they inner-ear or send them flying.
Let's not have a double standard, please.
inconsistency and Plot Induced Stupidity(PIS) happens with ALL comicbook characters.
Other characters have had some trouble fighting characters slower than them but for the reasons that some people think.
Just because I don't see Hulk using his true power and speed in every instance doesn't mean he doesn't have it. Hulk usually only cuts loose with power on guys like Thor or Silver Surfer. The same could be said for other characters, not just the Hulk.
Hulk isn't the only one who has been tagged by lower level characters or didn't immediately strike them down.
Does missing the mark at any time automatically mean you are slow? Of course, not!
Hulk can in fact, react fast and cover distances quickly. Hulk's more supersonic than a jet! Any who know Hulk can tell you this.
Not catching an attack is different from completely lacking the ability.
If Superman doesn't catch a bullet every time they're fired does that make him slow? Of course not!
Tales to astonish #60
In times of stress, whether by the work of his own body or outsides forces, there is a corresponding escalation of Hulk's strength. "The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets". The Thing finds this out the hard way in Fantastic Four #25:
Giant-Man's efforts to wear out the Savage Hulk in combat are thwarted by his strength amping in Fantastic Four #26 and Tales to Astonish #59:
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Tales to astonish #65
The amping provides geometric increases in strength that gets Savage Hulk out of sticky situations, such as here in Tales to Astonish #70:
Hulk withstanding planet-splitting explosions (incredible Hulk #112)
Not even the Leader's plasti-thene, the material that makes up the Hulk Killer Humanoid, can contain Savage Hulk in Tales to Astonish #117:
Adhesive X, which has never been broken by physical force once dried, ends up being shattered by a furious Savage Hulk in Captain America#257:
The Abomination was originally much stronger than the Savage Hulk -- and was even granted twice that level of strength by the Galaxy Master -- but that doesn't matter much when "all Hulk has to do is become ten times as mad!!" From Incredible Hulk #270:
Incredible Hulk #141:
In the heat of battle, such amping proves more than Genis-Vell's estimations of force can handle when a blast twice as powerful as before proves ineffectual against a Savage Hulk who is "three times angrier" in Captain Marvel vol.3 #2:
Noted once again in his fights with other superheroes such as Journey into Mystery #112 and Amazing Spider-man #14:
Gray Hulk definitely does not lack in striking power as he manages to best the Abomination. "On paper, the Abomination may, technically, be the more powerful of the two. The [Gray] Hulk never read those papers." From Incredible Hulk Annual #15:
Wolverine discovers this hard lesson and pays for it, "I cut him again -- he heals even faster. . . . He gets tougher. Stronger. Harder to hurt." From Incredible Hulk #340:
Mr. Fixit's healing factor and heightened metabolism has shaken off the effects of transmutation. Here, he shrugs off the Grey Gargoyle's stone touch -- an ability that has turned even the mighty Thor into helpless stone -- in Incredible Hulk #363:
The High Evolutionary's plasmatic beam meant to reduce him down to his component electrical charges barely scorches Gray Hulk. The High Evolutionary has to expend such power to get rid of him that he literally sends Gray Hulk from underwater Lemuria out to Nevada with a blast that "shakes the sea floor for hundreds of kilometers in all directions." Gray Hulk is knocked out but he survives in Avengers Annual #17:
To state the obvious, the more Gray Hulk amplified his strength and rage, the more resistant he was to forms of mental control, from Marvel Super-Heroesvol.3 #3:
Tales to astonish #73
Wut happened over night, this had like 14 posts! lol! anyway I support carnage because of speed and durability combined with strength. He can lift 50 tons with ease, so I he hits her with a train or pieces of one that could potentially do damage. plus he is just to ruthless and a good fighter. He has taken venom and spiderman together. And she hulk cant thunder clap in my knowledge
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