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#1 Edited by MyronLee26 (1172 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain Steve Rogers (Captain America) vs Deathstroke H2H

Hey guys, just thought this would be a pretty interesting match-up

Well, as the OP says, this is a battle between Steve Rogers and Deathstroke in Hand-to-Hand Combat only.

Cap doesnt have his shield, Deathstroke doesnt have his weapons.

Who wins?

PS. I did the search for Captain America or Steve Rogers vs Deathstroke in H2H and Hand to Hand, and no results came up, So if by any chance this has been done before, dont hound me for it. LOL. And Im also talking about Pre-Flashpoint / New Earth Deathstroke

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#2 Posted by jashro44 (53124 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke. He has better feats then steve to my knowledge especially in hand to hand.

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#3 Posted by Fetts (6242 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke.

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#4 Posted by MyronLee26 (1172 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

Deathstroke. He has better feats then steve to my knowledge especially in hand to hand.

in hand to hand combat?

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#5 Posted by the_stegman (40241 posts) - - Show Bio

i'm saying Deathstroke h2h i think he's better trained 

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#6 Posted by jashro44 (53124 posts) - - Show Bio
@MyronLee26 said:

@jashro44 said:

Deathstroke. He has better feats then steve to my knowledge especially in hand to hand.

in hand to hand combat?

Yes.
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#7 Posted by Saren (27933 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade is still faster, stronger and more durable, even if Cap possesses an edge in pure skill.

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#8 Edited by MyronLee26 (1172 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

Slade is still faster, stronger and more durable, even if Cap possesses an edge in pure skill.

is there any evidence of him being faster, stronger, and more durable than Cap?

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#9 Posted by Saren (27933 posts) - - Show Bio

@MyronLee26 said:

@CitizenBane said:

Slade is still faster, stronger and more durable, even if Cap possesses an edge in pure skill.

is their any evidence of him being faster, stronger, and more durable than Cap?

Yes.

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#10 Posted by MyronLee26 (1172 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@CitizenBane said:

Slade is still faster, stronger and more durable, even if Cap possesses an edge in pure skill.

is their any evidence of him being faster, stronger, and more durable than Cap?

Yes.

Where?

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#11 Posted by Saren (27933 posts) - - Show Bio

@MyronLee26 said:

@CitizenBane said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@CitizenBane said:

Slade is still faster, stronger and more durable, even if Cap possesses an edge in pure skill.

is their any evidence of him being faster, stronger, and more durable than Cap?

Yes.

Where?

In comics.

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#12 Posted by MyronLee26 (1172 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@CitizenBane said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@CitizenBane said:

Slade is still faster, stronger and more durable, even if Cap possesses an edge in pure skill.

is their any evidence of him being faster, stronger, and more durable than Cap?

Yes.

Where?

In comics.

LOL, well, Can you state some examples or provide scans?

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#13 Posted by God_Spawn (43168 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@CitizenBane said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@CitizenBane said:

Slade is still faster, stronger and more durable, even if Cap possesses an edge in pure skill.

is their any evidence of him being faster, stronger, and more durable than Cap?

Yes.

Where?

In comics.

ROFL.

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#14 Posted by Dex_Starr (4797 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke wins. It's debateable if Cap could even beat Batman in hand to hand, let alone Slade.

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#15 Posted by MyronLee26 (1172 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dex_Starr said:

Deathstroke wins. It's debateable if Cap could even beat Batman in hand to hand, let alone Slade.

Batman is also a better martial artist and fighter than Deathstroke. As was stated by DS himself

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#16 Posted by JediXMan (42741 posts) - - Show Bio
@MyronLee26 said:

@Dex_Starr said:

Deathstroke wins. It's debateable if Cap could even beat Batman in hand to hand, let alone Slade.

Batman is also a better martial artist and fighter than Deathstroke. As was stated by DS himself

And Deathstroke beat him.
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#17 Edited by yumyumbubblegum (633 posts) - - Show Bio

Skill: Steve

Strength: Slade (comparable to Ultimate Captain America)

Stamina: roughly equal

Endurance: Slade edges out Steve

Winner: Deathstroke 5.5-6/10. Barely.

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#18 Posted by Azrael66 (278 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve can't take Slade. His enhancements make him stronger and faster and his tactical skills are at least on par with Steve's.

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#19 Posted by Dex_Starr (4797 posts) - - Show Bio

@MyronLee26 said:

@Dex_Starr said:

Deathstroke wins. It's debateable if Cap could even beat Batman in hand to hand, let alone Slade.

Batman is also a better martial artist and fighter than Deathstroke. As was stated by DS himself

Captain America isn't Batman. Cap has done nothing to suggest he's anymore skilled than Deathstroke is.

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#20 Edited by ThexX (1615 posts) - - Show Bio

@yumyumbubblegum said:

Skill: Steve

Strength: Slade (comparable to Ultimate Captain America)

Stamina: roughly equal

Endurance: Slade edges out Steve

Winner: Deathstroke 5.5-6/10. Barely.

Skill: Steve

Strength: Slade

Endurance: Steve

Durability: Slade (Healing Factor)

Agility: I would say Slade but they are about equal

Winner. Slade because of a better healing factor

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#21 Posted by Pokeysteve (12020 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke for reasons stated plus he'll always be 10 moves ahead of Cap.

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#22 Edited by MyronLee26 (1172 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThexX said:

@yumyumbubblegum said:

Skill: Steve

Strength: Slade (comparable to Ultimate Captain America)

Stamina: roughly equal

Endurance: Slade edges out Steve

Winner: Deathstroke 5.5-6/10. Barely.

Skill: Steve

Strength: Slade

Endurance: Steve

Durability: Slade (Healing Factor)

Agility: I would say Slade but they are about equal

Winner. Slade because of a better healing factor

When has Slade demonstrated superior Strength, and Agility than Cap?

@JediXMan said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@Dex_Starr said:

Deathstroke wins. It's debateable if Cap could even beat Batman in hand to hand, let alone Slade.

Batman is also a better martial artist and fighter than Deathstroke. As was stated by DS himself

And Deathstroke beat him.

BARELY beat him, with Deathstroke limping away injured from the fight. If DS didnt have his enhancements, he wouldve lost

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#23 Edited by Dex_Starr (4797 posts) - - Show Bio

@MyronLee26 said:

@ThexX said:

@yumyumbubblegum said:

Skill: Steve

Strength: Slade (comparable to Ultimate Captain America)

Stamina: roughly equal

Endurance: Slade edges out Steve

Winner: Deathstroke 5.5-6/10. Barely.

Skill: Steve

Strength: Slade

Endurance: Steve

Durability: Slade (Healing Factor)

Agility: I would say Slade but they are about equal

Winner. Slade because of a better healing factor

When has Slade demonstrated superior Strength, and Agility than Cap?

@JediXMan said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@Dex_Starr said:

Deathstroke wins. It's debateable if Cap could even beat Batman in hand to hand, let alone Slade.

Batman is also a better martial artist and fighter than Deathstroke. As was stated by DS himself

And Deathstroke beat him.

BARELY beat him, with Deathstroke limping away injured from the fight. If DS didnt have his enhancements, he wouldve lost

And if Cap didn't have his enhancements, he would lose also, I really have no idea what you're trying to prove by constantly bringing up Batman.

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#24 Posted by MyronLee26 (1172 posts) - - Show Bio

@Azrael66 said:

Steve can't take Slade. His enhancements make him stronger and faster and his tactical skills are at least on par with Steve's.

When has DS proven to be faster and stronger than Cap? Cap has demonstrated more impressive feats in those departments.

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#25 Posted by Dex_Starr (4797 posts) - - Show Bio

@MyronLee26 said:

@Azrael66 said:

Steve can't take Slade. His enhancements make him stronger and faster and his tactical skills are at least on par with Steve's.

When has DS proven to be faster and stronger than Cap? Cap has demonstrated more impressive feats in those departments.

Really? Show Captain America blitzing someone who can outrun a bullet?

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#26 Posted by yumyumbubblegum (633 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@ThexX said:

@yumyumbubblegum said:

Skill: Steve

Strength: Slade (comparable to Ultimate Captain America)

Stamina: roughly equal

Endurance: Slade edges out Steve

Winner: Deathstroke 5.5-6/10. Barely.

Skill: Steve

Strength: Slade

Endurance: Steve

Durability: Slade (Healing Factor)

Agility: I would say Slade but they are about equal

Winner. Slade because of a better healing factor

When has Slade demonstrated superior Strength, and Agility than Cap?

@JediXMan said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@Dex_Starr said:

Deathstroke wins. It's debateable if Cap could even beat Batman in hand to hand, let alone Slade.

Batman is also a better martial artist and fighter than Deathstroke. As was stated by DS himself

And Deathstroke beat him.

BARELY beat him, with Deathstroke limping away injured from the fight. If DS didnt have his enhancements, he wouldve lost

And if Cap didn't have his enhancements, he would lose also, I really have no idea what you're trying to prove by constantly bringing up Batman.

Cap without his enhancements is barely average human lol.

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#27 Posted by Dex_Starr (4797 posts) - - Show Bio

@yumyumbubblegum:Cap's well above the human range, but I'm waiting for a scan that shows Captain America being stronger or faster than Slade when he's neither.

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#28 Posted by MyronLee26 (1172 posts) - - Show Bio

@yumyumbubblegum said:

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@ThexX said:

@yumyumbubblegum said:

Skill: Steve

Strength: Slade (comparable to Ultimate Captain America)

Stamina: roughly equal

Endurance: Slade edges out Steve

Winner: Deathstroke 5.5-6/10. Barely.

Skill: Steve

Strength: Slade

Endurance: Steve

Durability: Slade (Healing Factor)

Agility: I would say Slade but they are about equal

Winner. Slade because of a better healing factor

When has Slade demonstrated superior Strength, and Agility than Cap?

@JediXMan said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@Dex_Starr said:

Deathstroke wins. It's debateable if Cap could even beat Batman in hand to hand, let alone Slade.

Batman is also a better martial artist and fighter than Deathstroke. As was stated by DS himself

And Deathstroke beat him.

BARELY beat him, with Deathstroke limping away injured from the fight. If DS didnt have his enhancements, he wouldve lost

And if Cap didn't have his enhancements, he would lose also, I really have no idea what you're trying to prove by constantly bringing up Batman.

Cap without his enhancements is barely average human lol.

and thats how when his Super-Soldier Serum was not effective and was reduced to his skinny weakened body, he took down several Super Soldier Serum-enhanced opponents using his fighting skills alone?

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@Azrael66 said:

Steve can't take Slade. His enhancements make him stronger and faster and his tactical skills are at least on par with Steve's.

When has DS proven to be faster and stronger than Cap? Cap has demonstrated more impressive feats in those departments.

Really? Show Captain America blitzing someone who can outrun a bullet?

Cap has outran bullet speed before. He saved someone from being shot across the room by Red Skull by blocking several bullets with his shield after they were fired from the gun. And as proven from a previous thread on here, reaction speed and combat speed is different from traveling speed.

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#29 Edited by Dex_Starr (4797 posts) - - Show Bio

@MyronLee26 said:

@yumyumbubblegum said:

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@ThexX said:

@yumyumbubblegum said:

Skill: Steve

Strength: Slade (comparable to Ultimate Captain America)

Stamina: roughly equal

Endurance: Slade edges out Steve

Winner: Deathstroke 5.5-6/10. Barely.

Skill: Steve

Strength: Slade

Endurance: Steve

Durability: Slade (Healing Factor)

Agility: I would say Slade but they are about equal

Winner. Slade because of a better healing factor

When has Slade demonstrated superior Strength, and Agility than Cap?

@JediXMan said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@Dex_Starr said:

Deathstroke wins. It's debateable if Cap could even beat Batman in hand to hand, let alone Slade.

Batman is also a better martial artist and fighter than Deathstroke. As was stated by DS himself

And Deathstroke beat him.

BARELY beat him, with Deathstroke limping away injured from the fight. If DS didnt have his enhancements, he wouldve lost

And if Cap didn't have his enhancements, he would lose also, I really have no idea what you're trying to prove by constantly bringing up Batman.

Cap without his enhancements is barely average human lol.

and thats how when his Super-Soldier Serum was not effective and was reduced to his skinny weakened body, he took down several Super Soldier Serum-enhanced opponents using his fighting skills alone?

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@Azrael66 said:

Steve can't take Slade. His enhancements make him stronger and faster and his tactical skills are at least on par with Steve's.

When has DS proven to be faster and stronger than Cap? Cap has demonstrated more impressive feats in those departments.

Really? Show Captain America blitzing someone who can outrun a bullet?

Cap has outran bullet speed before. He saved someone from being shot across the room by Red Skull by blocking several bullets with his shield after they were fired from the gun. And as proven from a previous thread on here, reaction speed and combat speed is different from traveling speed.

Cap outran a bullet, Deathstroke BLITZED a character who outran a bullet. Blitzing someone is combat speed.

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#30 Posted by MyronLee26 (1172 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@yumyumbubblegum said:

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@ThexX said:

@yumyumbubblegum said:

Skill: Steve

Strength: Slade (comparable to Ultimate Captain America)

Stamina: roughly equal

Endurance: Slade edges out Steve

Winner: Deathstroke 5.5-6/10. Barely.

Skill: Steve

Strength: Slade

Endurance: Steve

Durability: Slade (Healing Factor)

Agility: I would say Slade but they are about equal

Winner. Slade because of a better healing factor

When has Slade demonstrated superior Strength, and Agility than Cap?

@JediXMan said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@Dex_Starr said:

Deathstroke wins. It's debateable if Cap could even beat Batman in hand to hand, let alone Slade.

Batman is also a better martial artist and fighter than Deathstroke. As was stated by DS himself

And Deathstroke beat him.

BARELY beat him, with Deathstroke limping away injured from the fight. If DS didnt have his enhancements, he wouldve lost

And if Cap didn't have his enhancements, he would lose also, I really have no idea what you're trying to prove by constantly bringing up Batman.

Cap without his enhancements is barely average human lol.

and thats how when his Super-Soldier Serum was not effective and was reduced to his skinny weakened body, he took down several Super Soldier Serum-enhanced opponents using his fighting skills alone?

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@Azrael66 said:

Steve can't take Slade. His enhancements make him stronger and faster and his tactical skills are at least on par with Steve's.

When has DS proven to be faster and stronger than Cap? Cap has demonstrated more impressive feats in those departments.

Really? Show Captain America blitzing someone who can outrun a bullet?

Cap has outran bullet speed before. He saved someone from being shot across the room by Red Skull by blocking several bullets with his shield after they were fired from the gun. And as proven from a previous thread on here, reaction speed and combat speed is different from traveling speed.

Cap outran a bullet, Deathstroke BLITZED a character who outran a bullet. Blitzing someone is combat speed.

Are you talking about his fight with Cassandra Cain?

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#31 Posted by Dex_Starr (4797 posts) - - Show Bio

@MyronLee26:Nope, I'm talking about when he blitzed Black Canary in Identity Crisis and subdued her before she could scream. Canary was able to outrun and destroy bullets with her Canary Cry in JLA 80 Page Giant.

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#32 Posted by yumyumbubblegum (633 posts) - - Show Bio

@MyronLee26 said:

When has Slade demonstrated superior Strength, and Agility than Cap?

I thought this was a discussion thread, not a "I'll tell you what you want to hear" thread.

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#33 Edited by Dex_Starr (4797 posts) - - Show Bio

Just for the record, DCnU Deathstroke was able to rip open a door, at 40 thousand feet above sea level and at 500 miles per hour

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That's almost 8000 pounds per square foot. On top of that, he did it with one arm.

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#34 Posted by MyronLee26 (1172 posts) - - Show Bio

@yumyumbubblegum said:

@MyronLee26 said:

When has Slade demonstrated superior Strength, and Agility than Cap?

I thought this was a discussion thread, not a "I'll tell you what you want to hear" thread.

Because im asking people if they can me show or reference me some evidence that shows Deathstroke has superior strength and agility than Cap, that indicates "i want people to tell me what I want to hear?" If anything I want to hear the evidence.

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@MyronLee26:Nope, I'm talking about when he blitzed Black Canary in Identity Crisis and subdued her before she could scream. Canary was able to outrun and destroy bullets with her Canary Cry in JLA 80 Page Giant.

That was due to him being able to hear her jaw click that he knew she was gonna do her Canary Cry. I would like to see him try to attack her the way he did after she lets it out. Batman, Captain America, Iron Fist, Nightwing, Robin, Daredevil, Black Panther, and many others that are atleast physically peak human have outran bullets before.

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#35 Edited by Dex_Starr (4797 posts) - - Show Bio

@MyronLee26 said:

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26:Nope, I'm talking about when he blitzed Black Canary in Identity Crisis and subdued her before she could scream. Canary was able to outrun and destroy bullets with her Canary Cry in JLA 80 Page Giant.

That was due to him being able to hear her jaw click that he knew she was gonna do her Canary Cry. I would like to see him try to attack her the way he did after she lets it out. Batman, Captain America, Iron Fist, Nightwing, Robin, Daredevil, Black Panther, and many others that are atleast physically peak human have outran bullets before.

Hearing the click of her jaw had nothing to do with being able to run so fast that Dinah, who can bullet time, could react. Out of everyone you named, the only person that has a solid feat of being able to outpace a bullet is Captain America.

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#36 Posted by SteveRogers (422 posts) - - Show Bio

Most likely a stalemate.

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#37 Edited by MyronLee26 (1172 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dex_Starr said:

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Just for the record, DCnU Deathstroke was able to rip open a door, at 40 thousand feet above sea level and at 500 miles per hour

That's almost 8000 pounds per square foot. On top of that, he did it with one arm.

And Captain America was able to force down a slightly thicker steel door down while injured.

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26:Nope, I'm talking about when he blitzed Black Canary in Identity Crisis and subdued her before she could scream. Canary was able to outrun and destroy bullets with her Canary Cry in JLA 80 Page Giant.

That was due to him being able to hear her jaw click that he knew she was gonna do her Canary Cry. I would like to see him try to attack her the way he did after she lets it out. Batman, Captain America, Iron Fist, Nightwing, Robin, Daredevil, Black Panther, and many others that are atleast physically peak human have outran bullets before.

Hearing the click of her jaw had nothing to do with being able to run so fast that Dinah, who can bullet time, could react. Out of everyone you named, the only person that has a solid feat of being able to outpace a bullet is Captain America.

It has alot to do with it because if he didnt hear it, he probably wouldnt have known she was gonna do it and subdue her to prevent her from perform her attack.

Well, not outran bullets, but dodged them.

.

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#38 Edited by Dex_Starr (4797 posts) - - Show Bio

@MyronLee26:

Now imagine Captain America ripping that door with one arm....with 8000 lbs of pressure per square foot being pressed against it...at 500 miles an hour....

No, it had nothing to do with it. Hearing the click of her jaw let him know that the Canary Cry was coming, that's an entirely different ordeal than being able to physically run up to her, bag her head and handcuff her. Hearing the click of her jaw would mean nothing if he didn't have the speed required to blitz her.

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#39 Edited by MyronLee26 (1172 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26:

Now imagine Captain America ripping that door with one arm....with 8000 lbs of pressure per square foot being pressed against it...at 500 miles an hour....

No, it had nothing to do with it. Hearing the click of her jaw let him know that the Canary Cry was coming, that's an entirely different ordeal than being able to physically run up to her, bag her head and handcuff her. Hearing the click of her jaw would mean nothing if he didn't have the speed required to blitz her.

Thats what im saying. He was able to prevent her from using her Canary Cry with the conbined help of his enhanced hearing, speed, and reflexes. But he only knew she was about to do it before she did by hearing her jaw click, which gave him enough time he needed to react and subdue her.

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#40 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (7661 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26:

Now imagine Captain America ripping that door with one arm....with 8000 lbs of pressure per square foot being pressed against it...at 500 miles an hour....

No, it had nothing to do with it. Hearing the click of her jaw let him know that the Canary Cry was coming, that's an entirely different ordeal than being able to physically run up to her, bag her head and handcuff her. Hearing the click of her jaw would mean nothing if he didn't have the speed required to blitz her.

The New 52 feat is DS' only real substantial strength feat that trumps CA.

But if we're using New 52 DS, Captain America wins this (New DS still has to earn his stripes... which I believe he'll have little trouble doing).

Pre-52 Deathstroke beats Steve in a slight majority.

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#41 Posted by MyronLee26 (1172 posts) - - Show Bio

@Azrael66 said:

Steve can't take Slade. His enhancements make him stronger and faster and his tactical skills are at least on par with Steve's.

Still, can you provide proof that he's stronger and faster than Cap?

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#42 Edited by Dex_Starr (4797 posts) - - Show Bio

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26:

Now imagine Captain America ripping that door with one arm....with 8000 lbs of pressure per square foot being pressed against it...at 500 miles an hour....

No, it had nothing to do with it. Hearing the click of her jaw let him know that the Canary Cry was coming, that's an entirely different ordeal than being able to physically run up to her, bag her head and handcuff her. Hearing the click of her jaw would mean nothing if he didn't have the speed required to blitz her.

The New 52 feat is DS' only real substantial strength feat that trumps CA.

But if we're using New 52 DS, Captain America wins this (New DS still has to earn his stripes... which I believe he'll have little trouble doing).

Pre-52 Deathstroke beats Steve in a slight majority.

The New Deathstroke has only been in like 3 comics so he only has...1 strength feat...sounds like a pretty good ratio to me lol.

It looks like the new 52 Deathstroke would beat Cap easily, from the feats he's shown so far he has Bullseye level accuracy and 2-4 ton strength, he'd have less trouble than pre Flashpoint Slade IMO. He does need to earn his stripes but he's well on his way to doing so.

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#43 Edited by MyronLee26 (1172 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dex_Starr said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26:

Now imagine Captain America ripping that door with one arm....with 8000 lbs of pressure per square foot being pressed against it...at 500 miles an hour....

No, it had nothing to do with it. Hearing the click of her jaw let him know that the Canary Cry was coming, that's an entirely different ordeal than being able to physically run up to her, bag her head and handcuff her. Hearing the click of her jaw would mean nothing if he didn't have the speed required to blitz her.

The New 52 feat is DS' only real substantial strength feat that trumps CA.

But if we're using New 52 DS, Captain America wins this (New DS still has to earn his stripes... which I believe he'll have little trouble doing).

Pre-52 Deathstroke beats Steve in a slight majority.

The New Deathstroke has only been in like 3 comics so he only has...1 strength feat...sounds like a pretty good ratio to me lol.

It looks like the new 52 Deathstroke would beat Cap easily, from the feats he's shown so far he has Bullseye level accuracy and 2-4 ton strength, he'd have less trouble than pre Flashpoint Slade IMO. He does need to earn his stripes but he's well on his way to doing so.

Thats an impressive feat. I give you that, but still, that same feat was done by Cap also, although it was a slightly thicker door and under different conditions.

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#44 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (7661 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dex_Starr said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26:

Now imagine Captain America ripping that door with one arm....with 8000 lbs of pressure per square foot being pressed against it...at 500 miles an hour....

No, it had nothing to do with it. Hearing the click of her jaw let him know that the Canary Cry was coming, that's an entirely different ordeal than being able to physically run up to her, bag her head and handcuff her. Hearing the click of her jaw would mean nothing if he didn't have the speed required to blitz her.

The New 52 feat is DS' only real substantial strength feat that trumps CA.

But if we're using New 52 DS, Captain America wins this (New DS still has to earn his stripes... which I believe he'll have little trouble doing).

Pre-52 Deathstroke beats Steve in a slight majority.

The New Deathstroke has only been in like 3 comics so he only has...1 strength feat...sounds like a pretty good ratio to me lol.

It looks like the new 52 Deathstroke would beat Cap easily, from the feats he's shown so far he has Bullseye level accuracy and 2-4 ton strength, he'd have less trouble than pre Flashpoint Slade IMO. He does need to earn his stripes but he's well on his way to doing so.

My point is, that ONE strength feat is his only substantial one, pre or post 52, that holds a candle to Captain America's.

And aside from being bloodthirsty and killing off dozens of no names, cutting a fly in half with a paperclip, New 52 Deathstroke has done nothing to suggest he'd beat CA. Not yet at any rate.

(CA has also shown Bullseye level accuracy with his shield BTW. Lighting and extinguishing a lighter with a shield toss without it tipping comes to mind.)

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#45 Posted by Dex_Starr (4797 posts) - - Show Bio

@MyronLee26 said:

@Dex_Starr said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26:

Now imagine Captain America ripping that door with one arm....with 8000 lbs of pressure per square foot being pressed against it...at 500 miles an hour....

No, it had nothing to do with it. Hearing the click of her jaw let him know that the Canary Cry was coming, that's an entirely different ordeal than being able to physically run up to her, bag her head and handcuff her. Hearing the click of her jaw would mean nothing if he didn't have the speed required to blitz her.

The New 52 feat is DS' only real substantial strength feat that trumps CA.

But if we're using New 52 DS, Captain America wins this (New DS still has to earn his stripes... which I believe he'll have little trouble doing).

Pre-52 Deathstroke beats Steve in a slight majority.

The New Deathstroke has only been in like 3 comics so he only has...1 strength feat...sounds like a pretty good ratio to me lol.

It looks like the new 52 Deathstroke would beat Cap easily, from the feats he's shown so far he has Bullseye level accuracy and 2-4 ton strength, he'd have less trouble than pre Flashpoint Slade IMO. He does need to earn his stripes but he's well on his way to doing so.

Thats an impressive feat. I give you that, but still, that same feat was done by Cap also, although it was a slightly thicker door and under different conditions.

That same feat wasn't done by Captain America. He didn't rip a door with one arm, he busted through one with his shoulder, and it wasn't while the door had 8000 pounds of pressure per square foot and was on a vehicle moving 500 miles per hour. They are no where near the same caliber, Slade's makes Cap's feat look mediocre in comparison.

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#46 Posted by MyronLee26 (1172 posts) - - Show Bio

But im still waiting for the ones that said that Slade is faster and stronger than Steve to show some evidence to prove this.

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#47 Posted by MyronLee26 (1172 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@Dex_Starr said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26:

Now imagine Captain America ripping that door with one arm....with 8000 lbs of pressure per square foot being pressed against it...at 500 miles an hour....

No, it had nothing to do with it. Hearing the click of her jaw let him know that the Canary Cry was coming, that's an entirely different ordeal than being able to physically run up to her, bag her head and handcuff her. Hearing the click of her jaw would mean nothing if he didn't have the speed required to blitz her.

The New 52 feat is DS' only real substantial strength feat that trumps CA.

But if we're using New 52 DS, Captain America wins this (New DS still has to earn his stripes... which I believe he'll have little trouble doing).

Pre-52 Deathstroke beats Steve in a slight majority.

The New Deathstroke has only been in like 3 comics so he only has...1 strength feat...sounds like a pretty good ratio to me lol.

It looks like the new 52 Deathstroke would beat Cap easily, from the feats he's shown so far he has Bullseye level accuracy and 2-4 ton strength, he'd have less trouble than pre Flashpoint Slade IMO. He does need to earn his stripes but he's well on his way to doing so.

Thats an impressive feat. I give you that, but still, that same feat was done by Cap also, although it was a slightly thicker door and under different conditions.

That same feat wasn't done by Captain America. He didn't rip a door with one arm, he busted through one with his shoulder, and it wasn't while the door had 8000 pounds of pressure per square foot and was on a vehicle moving 500 miles per hour. They are no where near the same caliber, Slade's makes Cap's feat look mediocre in comparison.

A 100% Deathstroke ripping a steel door open with 8000 lbs of pressure while moving 500 miles and hour as opposed to an injured and weakened Captain America busting down a thicker steel door? hmmmmmmm............

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#48 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (7661 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@Dex_Starr said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26:

Now imagine Captain America ripping that door with one arm....with 8000 lbs of pressure per square foot being pressed against it...at 500 miles an hour....

No, it had nothing to do with it. Hearing the click of her jaw let him know that the Canary Cry was coming, that's an entirely different ordeal than being able to physically run up to her, bag her head and handcuff her. Hearing the click of her jaw would mean nothing if he didn't have the speed required to blitz her.

The New 52 feat is DS' only real substantial strength feat that trumps CA.

But if we're using New 52 DS, Captain America wins this (New DS still has to earn his stripes... which I believe he'll have little trouble doing).

Pre-52 Deathstroke beats Steve in a slight majority.

The New Deathstroke has only been in like 3 comics so he only has...1 strength feat...sounds like a pretty good ratio to me lol.

It looks like the new 52 Deathstroke would beat Cap easily, from the feats he's shown so far he has Bullseye level accuracy and 2-4 ton strength, he'd have less trouble than pre Flashpoint Slade IMO. He does need to earn his stripes but he's well on his way to doing so.

Thats an impressive feat. I give you that, but still, that same feat was done by Cap also, although it was a slightly thicker door and under different conditions.

That same feat wasn't done by Captain America. He didn't rip a door with one arm, he busted through one with his shoulder, and it wasn't while the door had 8000 pounds of pressure per square foot and was on a vehicle moving 500 miles per hour. They are no where near the same caliber, Slade's makes Cap's feat look mediocre in comparison.

If we want to get technical with these strength feats, using mathematics, physics and alla that jazz, then calculate the force (read: strength) it would take to toss a shield with enough force to both catch up to a speeding missile and destroy said missile with it having the length of a few football fields worth of a headstart (minimum).

The strength that would take is beyond the one ton range and only believable due to the weapon used. Steve has a plethora of said feats.

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#49 Posted by Dex_Starr (4797 posts) - - Show Bio

@MyronLee26 said:

But im still waiting for the ones that said that Slade is faster and stronger than Steve to show some evidence to prove this.

I've already shown you a strength and a speed feat that eclipses any that Cap has. The only thing is that it's 2 different versions of Slade, one is faster than Cap and the other is much stronger and more durable than Cap.

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Dex_Starr said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26:

Now imagine Captain America ripping that door with one arm....with 8000 lbs of pressure per square foot being pressed against it...at 500 miles an hour....

No, it had nothing to do with it. Hearing the click of her jaw let him know that the Canary Cry was coming, that's an entirely different ordeal than being able to physically run up to her, bag her head and handcuff her. Hearing the click of her jaw would mean nothing if he didn't have the speed required to blitz her.

The New 52 feat is DS' only real substantial strength feat that trumps CA.

But if we're using New 52 DS, Captain America wins this (New DS still has to earn his stripes... which I believe he'll have little trouble doing).

Pre-52 Deathstroke beats Steve in a slight majority.

The New Deathstroke has only been in like 3 comics so he only has...1 strength feat...sounds like a pretty good ratio to me lol.

It looks like the new 52 Deathstroke would beat Cap easily, from the feats he's shown so far he has Bullseye level accuracy and 2-4 ton strength, he'd have less trouble than pre Flashpoint Slade IMO. He does need to earn his stripes but he's well on his way to doing so.

My point is, that ONE strength feat is his only substantial one, pre or post 52, that holds a candle to Captain America's.

And aside from being bloodthirsty and killing off dozens of no names, cutting a fly in half with a paperclip, New 52 Deathstroke has done nothing to suggest he'd beat CA. Not yet at any rate.

(CA has also shown Bullseye level accuracy with his shield BTW. Lighting and extinguishing a lighter with a shield toss without it tipping comes to mind.)

That one strength feat eclipses any feat that Captain America has and establishes Slade as a 2-4 tonner at least. On top of the strength, Slade's armor was durable enough to where 50 cal machine gun bullets were bouncing off of it, which means Cap has little chance of actually harming DCnU Slade, especially without getting injured himself.

Cap has shown Bullseye level accuracy, but not with everyday random items, only a weapon that he's trained with and mastered over the course of his entire career.

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#50 Edited by Dex_Starr (4797 posts) - - Show Bio

@MyronLee26 said:

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@Dex_Starr said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Dex_Starr said:

@MyronLee26:

Now imagine Captain America ripping that door with one arm....with 8000 lbs of pressure per square foot being pressed against it...at 500 miles an hour....

No, it had nothing to do with it. Hearing the click of her jaw let him know that the Canary Cry was coming, that's an entirely different ordeal than being able to physically run up to her, bag her head and handcuff her. Hearing the click of her jaw would mean nothing if he didn't have the speed required to blitz her.

The New 52 feat is DS' only real substantial strength feat that trumps CA.

But if we're using New 52 DS, Captain America wins this (New DS still has to earn his stripes... which I believe he'll have little trouble doing).

Pre-52 Deathstroke beats Steve in a slight majority.

The New Deathstroke has only been in like 3 comics so he only has...1 strength feat...sounds like a pretty good ratio to me lol.

It looks like the new 52 Deathstroke would beat Cap easily, from the feats he's shown so far he has Bullseye level accuracy and 2-4 ton strength, he'd have less trouble than pre Flashpoint Slade IMO. He does need to earn his stripes but he's well on his way to doing so.

Thats an impressive feat. I give you that, but still, that same feat was done by Cap also, although it was a slightly thicker door and under different conditions.

That same feat wasn't done by Captain America. He didn't rip a door with one arm, he busted through one with his shoulder, and it wasn't while the door had 8000 pounds of pressure per square foot and was on a vehicle moving 500 miles per hour. They are no where near the same caliber, Slade's makes Cap's feat look mediocre in comparison.

A 100% Deathstroke ripping a steel door open with 8000 lbs of pressure while moving 500 miles and hour as opposed to an injured and weakened Captain America busting down a thicker steel door? hmmmmmmm............

There not even close to being comparable feats. Pre Flashpoint Deathstroke was able to smash through a steel door with a single kick.