Cable is attempting to convince Steve Rogers to go with him to Providence until he figures out what he plans on doing now that he has passed the shield on to Bucky. Norman Osborn finds out about this and sees an opportunity to have two of the biggest threats to his regime taken care of. He releases a false communication signal that cryptically states that Cable is planning on handing Steve over to HAMMER. Bucky intercepts it and immediately goes after the two to save Steve, bringing an EMP to knock out Cable's teleporting technology. He arrives just as the two are about to disappear and detonates the bomb. When the dust settles it is revealed that Steve was teleported away, while Cable was left behind. In a fit of anger Cap prepares to face off against Nathan Summers.
Bucky has his combat knife, luger, and three smoke bombs, and the Shield. Cable is equiped with a combat knife and a mini Uzi. Both have their technological arms shut down for thirty seconds, then regain full use of the limb. Cable's other tech is fried. The fight takes place at a warehouse near the docks. Who wins?
Cable's arm isn't mechanical, it's techno-organic and it's a virus that's killing him. Also I don't think I've seen Cable use many guns that aren't a rifle of some sort. Uzi might actually put him at a disadvantage.
That said, Cable is a better all in all combatant I think, he has more experience plus he's just one of the best soldiers out there this side of Steve Rogers. It's a good match up, but I think Cable.
" Cable's arm isn't mechanical, it's techno-organic and it's a virus that's killing him. Also I don't think I've seen Cable use many guns that aren't a rifle of some sort. Uzi might actually put him at a disadvantage.
I've editted the OP. I was aware of the difference, but didn't think it would matter too much. The virus isn't killing him anymore, though.
He used a gun similar to an uzi in his recent time travel adventures.
That said, Cable is a better all in all combatant I think, he has more experience plus he's just one of the best soldiers out there this side of Steve Rogers. It's a good match up, but I think Cable. "
Bucky has the motivation to make him go all out. With the shield Bucky can deflect pretty much any of Cable's gunfire at him. I think that he is armed with the superior weapons here and that will help him out. Not only can he defend with the shield but also use it as a weapon. However he won't have to since he can shoot with one hand and then take cover with the other. Without powers I see Cable going down to a properly motivated Bucky.
I'm not convinced that Cable is the better fighter either. Bucky was not only trained by our own Armed forces, but also had first hand training from Captain America. Not to mention the training he received from the Soviets to make him the Winter Soldier. He has given Cap a run for his money in a few fights as well as besting Crossbones who also gave Cap trouble in the past. Not only that but Bucky was able to defeat Crossbones and Sin at the same time. If this goes into melee it could turn either way, but once again Bucky has the advantage of a knife AND a shield.
30 seconds are up and he can use his arm, then the moment Cable gets a hold of Bucky he is fried.
" Bucky has the motivation to make him go all out. With the shield Bucky can deflect pretty much any of Cable's gunfire at him. I think that he is armed with the superior weapons here and that will help him out. Not only can he defend with the shield but also use it as a weapon. However he won't have to since he can shoot with one hand and then take cover with the other. Without powers I see Cable going down to a properly motivated Bucky.
I'm not convinced that Cable is the better fighter either. Bucky was not only trained by our own Armed forces, but also had first hand training from Captain America. Not to mention the training he received from the Soviets to make him the Winter Soldier. He has given Cap a run for his money in a few fights as well as besting Crossbones who also gave Cap trouble in the past. Not only that but Bucky was able to defeat Crossbones and Sin at the same time. If this goes into melee it could turn either way, but once again Bucky has the advantage of a knife AND a shield.
30 seconds are up and he can use his arm, then the moment Cable gets a hold of Bucky he is fried.
"
Maybe, but has Bucky survived for 20 years fluxing in and out of hostile futures? Has he faced off against mutated monsters, new species, and well and truly just the blasted time period itself? Cable has changed alot because of his time raising Hope. He's come a long way as a character and as a strategist. I'm sorry, but I still don't think current Bucky can live up to current Cable. Cable has literally marched through hell with Bishop hot on his heels, he's fought the Brood, he's survived in Fall Out conditions and managed to do it pretty dang well.
I'm just saying that Cable has been through more than current Cap can well and truly imagine and that's why I'm voting for him. If this was old Cable, Bucky would win, hands down. But current Cable I just don't think so.
cable has and will always be a great warriror since taht has bene his entire lifes purpose, the emp wouldt affect his arm at all so you basicly satrting the fight with bucky down to one arm and cable with all limbs working sure its only 30 seconds but , have you ever hears the one legged man in ass kicking contets ? , same thing goes on here but with arms 30 seconds could be enough to get a serious advantge on bucky since hes no apoocylpse or stryfe.
Maybe, but has Bucky survived for 20 years fluxing in and out of hostile futures? Has he faced off against mutated monsters, new species, and well and truly just the blasted time period itself? Cable has changed alot because of his time raising Hope. He's come a long way as a character and as a strategist. I'm sorry, but I still don't think current Bucky can live up to current Cable. Cable has literally marched through hell with Bishop hot on his heels, he's fought the Brood, he's survived in Fall Out conditions and managed to do it pretty dang well. I'm just saying that Cable has been through more than current Cap can well and truly imagine and that's why I'm voting for him. If this was old Cable, Bucky would win, hands down. But current Cable I just don't think so. "
Bucky would beat any version of Cable that doesn't have any powers.Bucky has the advantage in pretty much every area.Going through more than another character doesn't mean you can beat them in a fight.
" cable has and will always be a great warriror since taht has bene his entire lifes purpose, the emp wouldt affect his arm at all so you basicly satrting the fight with bucky down to one arm and cable with all limbs working sure its only 30 seconds but , have you ever hears the one legged man in ass kicking contets ? , same thing goes on here but with arms 30 seconds could be enough to get a serious advantge on bucky since hes no apoocylpse or stryfe. "
@Vance Astro: I wasn't making an arguement, just stating what the handbook ranked him at.
Either way, I think this is a close fight. Cable is smart enough to use the envirnoment to his advantage against more skilled or numerous opponents. He knows what Steve can do, so I don't think he would take Bucky lightly enough to fight him head on under these conditions.
@Vance Astro: bucky is a great fighter iam not knocking his skills hes way up in terms of abilty in the marvel universe , but since the emp is at the begging of the fight he loses one arm where as cable has all his limbs. 30 seconds in a brawl is a long time to be one limb down . Thats why i voted for cable
" @Vance Astro: I wasn't making an arguement, just stating what the handbook ranked him at. Either way, I think this is a close fight. Cable is smart enough to use the envirnoment to his advantage against more skilled or numerous opponents. He knows what Steve can do, so I don't think he would take Bucky lightly enough to fight him head on under these conditions. "
I know.I was just saying that the rating is bogus.He's not that good.Especially when people like Daredevil,Shang Chi,etc. are below him and they actually have notable fighting skill feats.Cable can't even beat Deadpool h2h.
" The handbook as of 2005 has Cable ranked as a 6 in fighting skill. "
Too bad there are several people rated lower that are far better than he is. "
Showing proof always helps in these things.
And in this case it shows that Cable is both a great tactician and an even better fighter, now more so than before. He has literally grown as a fighter and tactician, grown in ways that I think will help him in this fight. After all what's being out gunned by one guy when you're used to being out gunned by ten guys?
That's not to down play Bucky's skills and abilities; heck I think I love him as Cap more than Steve, but still I don't think that matters here. Cable will win. As for Cable not having powers in this fight, for over twenty years his time Cable has been without powers. Powers is the last thing in the world that he gives a crap about at the moment. That's not a disadvantage at this point, that's what he's used to.
" @Vance Astro: I wasn't making an arguement, just stating what the handbook ranked him at. Either way, I think this is a close fight. Cable is smart enough to use the envirnoment to his advantage against more skilled or numerous opponents. He knows what Steve can do, so I don't think he would take Bucky lightly enough to fight him head on under these conditions. "
I know.I was just saying that the rating is bogus.He's not that good.Especially when people like Daredevil,Shang Chi,etc. are below him and they actually have notable fighting skill feats.Cable can't even beat Deadpool h2h. "
Daredevil and Shang Chi being rated below him is BS, but Cable has recieved combat training in numerous styles from medieval to techniques from his own future. He was raised to be the ultimate soldier, and he has shown the skill and strategic know-how to support that on more than one occasion. The only thing that gives Deadpool a real advantage in their fights is his superior agility. In Civil War Nate took everything that DP would throw and then one-punched him. Then later in the story he revealed that he had been holding back to make it look good for the cameras.
" The handbook as of 2005 has Cable ranked as a 6 in fighting skill. "
Too bad there are several people rated lower that are far better than he is. "
Showing proof always helps in these things. And in this case it shows that Cable is both a great tactician and an even better fighter, now more so than before. He has literally grown as a fighter and tactician, grown in ways that I think will help him in this fight. After all what's being out gunned by one guy when you're used to being out gunned by ten guys? That's not to down play Bucky's skills and abilities; heck I think I love him as Cap more than Steve, but still I don't think that matters here. Cable will win. As for Cable not having powers in this fight, for over twenty years his time Cable has been without powers. Powers is the last thing in the world that he gives a crap about at the moment. That's not a disadvantage at this point, that's what he's used to. "
1.I'm not going to post the handbook pages of all of the characters who are OBVIOUSLY better in combat than Cable but are rated lower.It's quite a bit. 2.How is Cable a better fighter when Bucky is rated on the same level? He's not a great tactician? What are his tactical feats? 3.Where are his fighting skill feats? You are hyping him up to be better than Bucky but Bucky has actually beaten credible fighters.Cable hasn't.
Daredevil and Shang Chi being rated below him is BS, but Cable has recieved combat training in numerous styles from medieval to techniques from his own future. He was raised to be the ultimate soldier, and he has shown the skill and strategic know-how to support that on more than one occasion. The only thing that gives Deadpool a real advantage in their fights is his superior agility. In Civil War Nate took everything that DP would throw and then one-punched him. Then later in the story he revealed that he had been holding back to make it look good for the cameras. "
I haven't seen Cable do anything in combat that makes him comparable to Bucky.
@Vance Astro: Fair enough. Other than fighting Deadpool, Shatterstar, and Domino a few times I really can't think of anything, and Bucky is definitely above them already.
I'm going to turn in. Here's hoping this thread is still interesting when I wake up. 'Night.
Durability wise Cable is far above Bucky... as is his strength.... the only thing wrong with cable that would give buck an advantage is that he is an old tired warhorse.........
the advantage bucky has is the agility.....Cable can compensate with his bionic eye that allows him to see and track Buck who is only olympic level which shouldnt be too hard..
i dont think Buck is a remote match for Cable in his prime but here and the added yrs Cable will give it his best shot but i see him going down after a good fight and some blunt head trauma via the Shield
" @OmegaRed86: Powered Cable held up the island of Providence with his powers. "
But those powers are what make Cable special. Cyclops without Optic Blasts is a nobody. Magneto without mutant powers is an old man. Superman without powers is a farmer turned news reporter.
Cap vs Cable- Cable owns Cap vs Depowered Cable- I say Cap wins.
"Durability wise Cable is far above Bucky... as is his strength....
based on what if i may ask? "
most of his muscle and skeleton are techno infected from the inside. giving him high level durability and supehuman strength....
depending where he is shot or hit he may not feel much pain or injury..... he has had his faced punched incinerated and still kept fighting .... his facial skin had fallen off and his skull and throat was techno infected..... he had the professor reapply a new skin over his exposed internal infection..... DP shot cable while in a weaken state in the back of the head with a hand gun and only ko'ed him... Cable has also taken Adamantium claws to his arm and portions of his body without much injury mostly sparks..... he was shown to be strong enough to knock back cage with a right hook.... he has been hinted at superhuman strength i would put him in the 10 ton range but i think he has been scaled back a bit....
during the war machine mini series Cable got into a fist fight with War machine and was able to give and take damage........
"Durability wise Cable is far above Bucky... as is his strength....
based on what if i may ask? "
most of his muscle and skeleton are techno infected from the inside. giving him high level durability and supehuman strength....
depending where he is shot or hit he may not feel much pain or injury..... he has had his faced punched incinerated and still kept fighting .... his facial skin had fallen off and his skull and throat was techno infected..... he had the professor reapply a new skin over his exposed internal infection..... DP shot cable while in a weaken state in the back of the head with a hand gun and only ko'ed him... Cable has also taken Adamantium claws to his arm and portions of his body without much injury mostly sparks..... he was shown to be strong enough to knock back cage with a right hook.... he has been hinted at superhuman strength i would put him in the 10 ton range but i think he has been scaled back a bit....
during the war machine mini series Cable got into a fist fight with War machine and was able to give and take damage........ "
" @OmegaRed86: Powered Cable held up the island of Providence with his powers. "
But those powers are what make Cable special.
Cable is a master of numerous fighting styles, a master tactician, skilled marksman, has an eye that lets him track targets with superhuman speed and agility, and an arm that let him send Luke Cage flying.
@OmegaRed86 said:
" Cyclops without Optic Blasts is a nobody.
Scott has two black belts, is a tactical genius, and an incredible leader. He has beaten Wolverine without powers, as well as having taken down six guys with his eyes closed.
@OmegaRed86 said:
"Magneto without mutant powers is an old man.
Eric has stood up to punches to the face from an armored Colossus and kept fighting. He is also an expert in several scientific fields.
@OmegaRed86 said:
Superman without powers is a farmer turned news reporter.
Superman without powers has one thousand years of combat training.
@OmegaRed86 said:
Cap vs Depowered Cable- Cap owns. Cable's just an old man with an infected arm and guns. "
Read a Cable comic and then come back and say that.
" @Vance Astro: He wasn't using that arm, though xP "
Yea he was.His second attacks is a punch. "
No, he punched with his normal arm, not the mechanical one. "
It's probably and artist error. "
I'll accept that. If he tried punching Nuke with his organic arm he'd probably break a bone. "
I say that because there is a similar incident where Bucky one shotted Crossbones.Logically that doesn't really add up so I just assumed they meant for him to punch him with the other arm.
" @OmegaRed86: Powered Cable held up the island of Providence with his powers. "
But those powers are what make Cable special.
Cable is a master of numerous fighting styles, a master tactician, skilled marksman, has an eye that lets him track targets with superhuman speed and agility, and an arm that let him send Luke Cage flying.
@OmegaRed86 said:
" Cyclops without Optic Blasts is a nobody.
Scott has two black belts, is a tactical genius, and an incredible leader. He has beaten Wolverine without powers, as well as having taken down six guys with his eyes closed.
@OmegaRed86 said:
"Magneto without mutant powers is an old man.
Eric has stood up to punches to the face from an armored Colossus and kept fighting. He is also an expert in several scientific fields.
@OmegaRed86 said:
Superman without powers is a farmer turned news reporter.
Superman without powers has one thousand years of combat training.
@OmegaRed86 said:
Cap vs Depowered Cable- Cap owns. Cable's just an old man with an infected arm and guns. "
Read a Cable comic and then come back and say that. "
Without powers, Cyclops is a well trained guy who will lose to better trained adversaries who rely on their combat skills more than their powers.
Without Powers, Magneto is an old man. He can be as smart as he wants, but for him to take a punch from Colossus without his powers is ridiculous.
Since when did Superman gain one thousand years of combat training? And when does he actually use it? And without powers, he's always been soft.
So without his powers, How is Cable gonna keep the Virus from spreading throughout his body? He may be a skilled fighter, but not as skilled as those who rely solely on their combat skills like Cap.
Cable is an old man with an infected arm and guns. Yes. He's old. His am IS infected. And he carries a bunch of guns.
" @OmegaRed86: This is how I know you don't read comics.
@OmegaRed86 said:
" @Ferro Vida said:
" @OmegaRed86: I'm not going to reply to you again until you actually read a comic book. "
hell, if that's the case. Cable loses due to Old age and
Techno-Virus taking over. And Cap Bucky's superior fighting skills. "The TO virus hasn't been an issue for Cable for over ten years now. If it was then he would have died when he lost his powers in M-Day. "
Actually he didn't lose his powers due to M-day. Cable lost his powers because of over exerting them. Likewise he created a technological solution to keep him from dying. After that he got his powers back stronger than before. He lost them again, except for just enough to keep the infection at bay. Then he lost them and the infection was killing him even as he owned Bishop with his nearly TO body. Then through meditation, an entire year of meditation, he got back just enough to keep him alive.
" @OmegaRed86: What can I say, I'm allergic to misinformation. I think that a properly motivated Bucky Barnes would be able to beat Nate, but that most people have been selling Cable short. "
I agree with this. There's nothing more I can add.
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