Captain America (MCU) vs Ra's al Ghul (CW)

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#1 Posted by lubub55 (12991 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's al Ghul

Arrowverse
Arrowverse

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Captain America

Marvel Cinematic Universe
Marvel Cinematic Universe

Rules:

  • Random encounter
  • No prior knowledge
  • In character
  • Standard equipment
  • Winner is by death, KO or incapacitation
  • Canon versions

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#3 Posted by tj849 (8569 posts) - - Show Bio

Ras stomps

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#4 Posted by Kevd4wg (13171 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap's superior stats along with his close skill level allows him to take a close win.

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#5 Posted by IndomitableRegal (17346 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm failing to see how Ra's would beat Cap.

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#6 Edited by TheWatcherKing (18883 posts) - - Show Bio

@kevd4wg said:

Cap's superior stats allows him to take a close win.

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#8 Posted by xtreme1 (4106 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap

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#9 Posted by katanalauncher (3761 posts) - - Show Bio

You have to severely limit Cap for Ras to have a chance.

Even if you take away Cap's shield and bind his hands together I would still back Cap, maybe Ra's can win if all of Cap's limbs are tied up.

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#10 Posted by AngelJax (11906 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve

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#11 Posted by Thorthunder98 (6922 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap wins stats too high, Ra's only way win is the sword if he's disarmed he's pretty screwed he can't hurt Cap

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#12 Posted by FirestormFate1919 (6217 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's wins this. He's much faster, copiously more skilled, and the sword means that the 2 former advantages will largely nullify Cap's enhanced stats.

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#13 Posted by geekryan (5758 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap because of shield + superior physicals

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#14 Posted by DanielDaRipper (5896 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's due to speed and skill.

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#15 Posted by deactivated-5a89ca5697052 (8063 posts) - - Show Bio

All those years of training only to get bodied :/. Poor Ra's.

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#16 Posted by The_Magister_2 (87 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap stomps. This is not close.

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#17 Posted by RBT (29956 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's. Massively more skilled and can one shot.

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#18 Posted by Gilad_the_One (285 posts) - - Show Bio

RAs

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#19 Posted by RR79 (6761 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly, I could see it going either way. Both have advantages and disadvantages. I don't see why Cap can't throw his shield and break the sword. But at the same time, if Ra's manages to stab Cap it would cause another big disadvantage for Cap. I will say that Cap's hits would hurt Ra's a lot more than Ra's hits would hurt Cap(h2h).

I think I would give it to Cap 7/10

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#20 Edited by RBT (29956 posts) - - Show Bio

@rr79 said:

Honestly, I could see it going either way. Both have advantages and disadvantages. I don't see why Cap can't throw his shield and break the sword. But at the same time, if Ra's manages to stab Cap it would cause another big disadvantage for Cap. I will say that Cap's hits would hurt Ra's a lot more than Ra's hits would hurt Cap(h2h).

I think I would give it to Cap 7/10

Ra's should be fast enough to sidestep the shield toss. I agree with rest.

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#21 Edited by BruceRogers (17772 posts) - - Show Bio

Did Ra's do something which will allow him to win here?. I haven't been keeping up with the show since ages.

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#22 Posted by deactivated-5b2121a0a9a00 (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

I fail to see how Cap loses.

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#23 Edited by deactivated-5a7ab6ae2106d (553 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap. His physicals and shield give him an easy win. Cap's shield must be taken away to make this fight even remotely fair.

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#24 Posted by AtmExle (591 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap wins this pretty easily

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#25 Edited by ThEBeStOfTheBeST (12205 posts) - - Show Bio

A shield throw would probably kill Ras or severely damage him. Cap 9/10.

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#26 Posted by LDM (5362 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap still stomps

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#30 Edited by ThEBeStOfTheBeST (12205 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: K. And by the way, I never said he won't be able to dodge it.

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#31 Posted by Sy8000 (36003 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's, I've never really understood why he can't blitz around the shield.

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#32 Posted by deactivated-5aad0467ddfcf (965 posts) - - Show Bio

steve handily

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#33 Posted by RR79 (6761 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's, I've never really understood why he can't blitz around the shield.

Probably because he isn't that much faster to be able to do that.

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#34 Posted by MUVDCU (1070 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap wins IMO. When has Ras shown he was fast enough to surprise cap?

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#36 Posted by RBT (29956 posts) - - Show Bio

@foxerdes said:
@thebestofthebest said:

@rbt: K. And by the way, I never said he won't be able to dodge it.

The ultimate answer.

I'm guilty of using that in past as well.

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#38 Posted by Stahlflamme (5872 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap. Its not even close. He outclasses Ra's in pretty much every way.

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#39 Edited by deathstroke512 (2375 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap wins

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#40 Posted by Rusti (397 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain wins but Ra's expertise with a sword could mean he would land a hit or two on him

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#41 Posted by Stormdriven (18132 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve one shots, and I’m appalled anyone thinks otherwise. This isn’t remotely close, Ra’s is only formidable in his own universe.

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#42 Posted by BruceRogers (17772 posts) - - Show Bio

I would love to see evidence of Ra's superior speed that will allow him to blitz....

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#43 Posted by RabumAlal (5410 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap two shots.

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#44 Posted by ANTHP2000 (30389 posts) - - Show Bio

There's litteraly nothing to suggest Steve is as skilled as Ra's Al Ghul at all.

However, I don't see Ra's getting behind the shield, which is what might give Steve the win. I can be swayed however.

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#45 Posted by RBT (29956 posts) - - Show Bio

I would love to see evidence of Ra's superior speed that will allow him to blitz....

His teleportation feat against Thea. And his training session feat. Of course, he is not going to blitz Cap. But he's definitely faster and much more skilled.

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#46 Posted by Helloman (30115 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap wins.

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#47 Posted by ANTHP2000 (30389 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:
@brucerogers said:

I would love to see evidence of Ra's superior speed that will allow him to blitz....

His teleportation feat against Thea. And his training session feat. Of course, he is not going to blitz Cap. But he's definitely faster and much more skilled.

I don't think stealth counts as pure speed. He never actually used this speed in combat from what I'm told.

Could you post the training session feat?

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#48 Posted by BruceRogers (17772 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: Could you remind me the name of that episode where he 'teleports' away from Thea?. I want to see that feat again. Because as far as I am concerned, a street leveller teleporting has more to do with their ability to stay within their opponents blind spots, rather than raw speed. Unless they do it in plain sight, somehow.

And barring statements and accolades, Ra's feats of pure skill aren't heads and shoulders above Cap. Dancing around Ollie is very good but as far as I remember, he barely had any notable feats with a sword at that time.

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#49 Posted by RBT (29956 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:
@brucerogers said:

I would love to see evidence of Ra's superior speed that will allow him to blitz....

His teleportation feat against Thea. And his training session feat. Of course, he is not going to blitz Cap. But he's definitely faster and much more skilled.

I don't think stealth counts as pure speed. He never actually used this speed in combat from what I'm told.

Could you post the training session feat?

It wasn't a stealth feat.

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He was right in middle of 8 LoA ninjas and cut them up in 10 seconds without getting touched once. That's much faster combat speed and skill than anything Cap has displayed to date.

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#50 Posted by RBT (29956 posts) - - Show Bio

@brucerogers:

Could you remind me the name of that episode where he 'teleports' away from Thea?. I want to see that feat again. Because as far as I am concerned, a street leveller teleporting has more to do with their ability to stay within their opponents blind spots, rather than raw speed. Unless they do it in plain sight, somehow.

He did do it in plain sight. I have posted the video in last post.

And barring statements and accolades, Ra's feats of pure skill aren't heads and shoulders above Cap. Dancing around Ollie is very good but as far as I remember, he barely had any notable feats with a sword at that time.

Ra's fodder feat is extremely impressive(last post). Even assuming Oliver had no sword fighting skill despite him being trained by multiple swordsmen, its not like Cap has any sword fighting skill. In fact, he has none. If he could dance around Ollie, he can do more than that to Steve.

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