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Posted by WaspAlfa20 (-393 posts) 2 years, 2 months ago

Poll: Captain America (Marvel Cinematic Universe) vs Batman and Deadshot (DC Extended Universe) (82 votes)

Captain America 21%
Batman and Deadshot 68%
Too close to call 11%

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Setup:

  • Standard Gear
  • In Character
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  • This is a random encounter

Location: They're fighting in a generic downtown city setting. It's unpopulated, in broad daylight. Assume they start roughly 50 feet apart and visible. However, there is a good amount of cover in the location (parked vehicles, bus stops and such) and the entire area is on limits (alleys, rooftops, building interiors, the sewer, etc).

Who'd win? For what reasons?

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#51 Posted by depinhom (13506 posts) - - Show Bio

Duo, but not easily at all. Primarily because of the above feat.

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#52 Posted by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio

team wins , Deadshot could solo.

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#53 Posted by Sachmoo (2500 posts) - - Show Bio

A man with a gun 50 ft away is basically Par for the course when it comes to Cap. This isn't your usual man with a gun beats man without scenario. Cap has dealt with nearly these exact conditions numerous times. That being said, i said NEARLY because this isn't just a guy with a gun, it's Deadshot. Give him an opening and you are done. Couple in some Batman shenanigans and this gets interesting. I'm leaning too close to call honestly.

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#54 Posted by cfrehse (2902 posts) - - Show Bio

if cap can can close the distance or take out deadshot with a shield throw he wins. I believe deadshot is the most dangerous member of the team because of the distance

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#55 Posted by _Logos_ (1907 posts) - - Show Bio

@sportjames23: He has the advantage with stealth and gadgetry. Batman can disarm Caps of his shield and start to take the battle directly to him, in which his probably better H2H combat skills will kick in and he might win 6/10.

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#56 Edited by Keenko (5187 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap, more times than not.

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#57 Posted by sportjames23 (1087 posts) - - Show Bio

@sportjames23: He has the advantage with stealth and gadgetry. Batman can disarm Caps of his shield and start to take the battle directly to him, in which his probably better H2H combat skills will kick in and he might win 6/10.

You have seen MCU Cap operate, right? Dude is a beast H2H AND is beyond human in strength. Cap doesn't need the shield to fuck up Batman's world.

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#58 Posted by King_Majestros (1929 posts) - - Show Bio

Wasn't impressed with Batman and was equally unimpressed with Deadshot (save for the repeated headshot scene). Steve operates faster and stronger with unparalleled shield precision (Deadshot sort of stalemates him here), but that is not going to help the team. Steve has done far greater than both Batman and Deadshot combined.

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#59 Posted by ridd (1019 posts) - - Show Bio

@sportjames23: Just curious, what would happen if Batman was to disappear in front of Cap and shoots his grappling gun through Cap's skull?

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#60 Posted by sportjames23 (1087 posts) - - Show Bio

@ridd said:

@sportjames23: Just curious, what would happen if Batman was to disappear in front of Cap and shoots his grappling gun through Cap's skull?

I dunno, what would happen if Cap threw his shield through Batman's head?

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#61 Posted by ridd (1019 posts) - - Show Bio

@sportjames23: Answering a question by asking another question is not answering a question because if someone asks a question first deserved to be answered instead to be asked another question.

As for shield throw I hardly believe that if a person can dodge bulletfire at distance of a few feets while crawling through walls would get tagged by a shield throw at a distance of 50 feet.

I ask again what if Batman was to disappear in front of Cap and shoot his grappling gun through Cap's skull?

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#62 Edited by webinyoureye11 (5704 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm surprised people think cap loses this. Anyone got any real reasons why?

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#63 Posted by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm surprised people think cap loses this. Anyone got any real reasons why?

coz cap isn't a bullet timer or has peak human skills.

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#64 Posted by deactivated-5a89ca5697052 (8063 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap one shots Deadshot with a shield throw and destroys Batman in H2H.

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#65 Edited by webinyoureye11 (5704 posts) - - Show Bio

@nightmare52: as post 50 shows, cap blocks bullets before 1 shotting everyone there. No super aiming is gonna get through a shield or car. And no prep means no bullet ricocheting

and cap has repeatedly been shown to react to bullets. I'm not calling him neo or anything, but it's not like every shooter misses him, he just blocks 95% of them

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#66 Posted by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio

@nightmare52: as post 50 shows, cap blocks bullets before 1 shotting everyone there. No super aiming is gonna get through a shield or car. And no prep means no bullet ricocheting

cap aim dodge bullets he never showed any bullet timing like dceu superman or daredevil (movie version).

cap has repeatedly been shown to react to bullets. I'm not calling him neo or anything, but it's not like every shooter misses him, he just blocks 95% of them

show me a proof where he dodge/evade a bullet after a bullet is fired.

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#67 Edited by wartedhalo1 (2 posts) - - Show Bio

The clear winner is obvious, but I will make it even more obvious by saying this will not turn out well for Cap. As batman is a master of basically all martial arts skills and has even an better advantage when it comes to stealth, and as for Deathshot that complicates things even further for him because Deadshot is not just your average marksman he knows every pressure point and vulnerable spot on the human body which is the reason why he is considered an expert assassin. And with normally captain america facing his target's head on is the clear reason why he will not win the battle.

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#68 Edited by webinyoureye11 (5704 posts) - - Show Bio

cap aim dodge bullets he never showed any bullet timing like dceu superman or daredevil (movie version).

Neither of those examples really matter here. This is DCEU Batman and Deadshot

show me a proof where he dodge/evade a bullet after a bullet is fired.

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Cap, who has no idea the guy is about to shoot, reacts after the bullets are fired, and he dodged at least the 3rd shot for sure. Possibly even the second. This is 5 minutes after the Serum, not current Cap who solos squads of armed men, and with Bucky can handle a swat team while holding back.

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#69 Posted by TrumpSupporter (346 posts) - - Show Bio

Deadshot and bats take him down with ease

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#70 Edited by TrumpSupporter (346 posts) - - Show Bio

cap aim dodge bullets he never showed any bullet timing like dceu superman or daredevil (movie version).

Neither of those examples really matter here. This is DCEU Batman and Deadshot

show me a proof where he dodge/evade a bullet after a bullet is fired.

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Cap, who has no idea the guy is about to shoot, reacts after the bullets are fired, and he dodged at least the 3rd shot for sure. Possibly even the second. This is 5 minutes after the Serum, not current Cap who solos squads of armed men, and with Bucky can handle a swat team while holding back.

That was pure PIS.... Every action movie has a scene like that

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#71 Posted by webinyoureye11 (5704 posts) - - Show Bio

@trumpsupporter: but it happened. Besides, he's a super soldier. His enhancement was at the cellular level, it even made him immune to the effects of alcohol.

So if it caps metabolism was enhanced to that point, his memory was photographic, and normal humans have reacted to bullets in the MCU, not to mention Bucky, T'Challa and Steve all have superhuman reaction feats for their universe.

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It's clear to me peak humans can block bullets after being fired, and super soldiers are fast enough to dodge them in the MCU

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#72 Posted by laughingbatman (1827 posts) - - Show Bio

TEAM

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#73 Posted by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio

cap aim dodge bullets he never showed any bullet timing like dceu superman or daredevil (movie version).

Neither of those examples really matter here. This is DCEU Batman and Deadshot

show me a proof where he dodge/evade a bullet after a bullet is fired.

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Cap, who has no idea the guy is about to shoot, reacts after the bullets are fired, and he dodged at least the 3rd shot for sure. Possibly even the second. This is 5 minutes after the Serum, not current Cap who solos squads of armed men, and with Bucky can handle a swat team while holding back.

ok , cap evaded a p-38 revolver bullet mach 1 that was slowed by a steel roof and cap aim dodged the last shot.

deadshot's AR-15(primary weapon ) has

Rate of firefull-auto 750 rounds/min cyclic[3]
Muzzle velocity3,300 ft/s (1,006 m/s)[3]
Effective firing range500 yd (457 m)

so cap doesn't have a chance against deadshot.

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#74 Posted by webinyoureye11 (5704 posts) - - Show Bio

@nightmare52: he's gonna raise his gun and shoot before cap sees him move? He has a shield and plenty of cover to use.

50 ft is enough of a distance for him to dodge a guy with super human accuracy shooting a gun 3x faster than a gun he dodged point blank before his powers came anywhere near peak. Cap has faster reaction time than deadshot, who even if he gets a shot before cap gets cover, his shield will block the kill shots and he can just get behind a car with minor wounds at most.

I already posted a gif that shows cap blocking shots, taking cover while he throws his shield to KO a dude 30+ ft away. Why can't he do that here?

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#75 Posted by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio

@nightmare52:

he's gonna raise his gun and shoot before cap sees him move?

why is this relevant ??

He has a shield and plenty of cover to use.

its useless against deadshot accuracy and shield isn't gonna cover his whole body.

50 ft is enough of a distance for him to dodge a guy with super human accuracy shooting a gun 3x faster than a gun he dodged point blank before his powers came anywhere near peak. Cap has faster reaction time than deadshot, who even if he gets a shot before cap gets cover, his shield will block the kill shots and he can just get behind a car with minor wounds at most.

evading a mach 1 bullet which is slowed by a steel roof isn't gonna help him considering that cap is a CQC category 50 m is irrelevent here.

I already posted a gif that shows cap blocking shots, taking cover while he throws his shield to KO a dude 30+ ft away. Why can't he do that here?

coz Deadshot accuracy >>>>>>>>>Foddder accuracy.

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#76 Edited by webinyoureye11 (5704 posts) - - Show Bio

why is this relevant ??

So the fact that Cap(who can run over 30mph which is > 10m/s) and can leap great distances(which requires a lot of strength and speed in order to achieve), has also dodged bullets with literally milliseconds, if not less time to see and move out of the way, matters not, because?

Hawkeye has dodged a bullet, and he's only peak human tops. Cap a guy who is much faster by feats in both reactions, and running/agility, can't get behind a car a few feet away before deadshot gets a round off?

How fast is deadshot? Sure he can hit stationary targets in a shooting range, or slow moving( IIRC ) monsters headed right for him, but Cap is not gonna just stand around

its useless against deadshot accuracy and shield isn't gonna cover his whole body.

Cap has blocked bullets aimed at him, so accuracy really doesn't help, when the shield is gonna block it lol. Besides, how many shots can deadshot get off before Cap raises his shield and runs and dives for cover?

In the winter soldier, Cap blocked a minigun aimed right at him, oh yeah, after dodging those bullets as well inside a bus

evading a mach 1 bullet which is slowed by a steel roof isn't gonna help him considering that cap is a CQC category 50 m is irrelevent here.

Yeah, lets just forget the fact that Cap can one shot the team with a shield throw, either direct or via ricochet. And he can do it behind cover

coz Deadshot accuracy >>>>>>>>>Foddder accuracy.

So even if the fodder are on target, deadshot is more on target? Cause Cap doesn't block bullets unless they are gonna hit him, or an ally

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#77 Posted by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio

So the fact that Cap(who can run over 30mph which is > 10m/s) and can leap great distances(which requires a lot of strength and speed in order to achieve),has also dodged bullets with literally milliseconds, if not less time to see and move out of the way, matters not, because?

  1. first half of ur point is completely irreverent 2 second half.
  2. dodging the slowest bullet feat is gonna help him from mach 3 bullets.

Hawkeye has dodged a bullet,

when ???

Cap a guy who is much faster by feats in both reactions, and running/agility, can't get behind a car a few feet away before deadshot gets a round off?

only if he is lucky.

How fast is deadshot? Sure he can hit stationary targets in a shooting range, or slow moving( IIRC ) monsters headed right for him, but Cap is not gonna just stand around

he shot a guy 50 yards away with his eye with a glover 17 (hand-mound gun) without seeing his head directly in the beginning of the movie.

Cap has blocked bullets aimed at him,

aim-dodging a featless fodder's bullet is irrelevant.

so accuracy really doesn't help, when the shield is gonna block it lol. Besides, how many shots can deadshot get off before Cap raises his shield and runs and dives for cover?

u do remember that shield doesn't cover his whole body.

In the winter soldier, Cap blocked a minigun aimed right at him, oh yeah, after dodging those bullets as well inside a bus

aim-dodgeing a featless fodder's bullet is irrelevant.

Yeah, lets just forget the fact that Cap can one shot the team with a shield throw, either direct or via ricochet. And he can do it behind cover

mach 3 bullets speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shield throwing speed and both batman and deadshot can easily dodge his shield throwing easily.

So even if the fodder are on target, deadshot is more on target? Cause Cap doesn't block bullets unless they are gonna hit him, or an ally

cap is no close to batman level of bullet-timing say that he can dodge deadshot bullet.

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#78 Posted by JasonBourne_ (434 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_majestros: Steve has many many more appearances than Batman/Deadshot. .derp derp of course he's done "greater" ..he has like 5 movies of feats.

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#79 Edited by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_majestros: Steve has many many more appearances than Batman/Deadshot. .derp derp of course he's done "greater" ..he has like 5 movies of feats.

and there is nothing to suggest that he can dodge a bullet from deadshot.

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#80 Posted by webinyoureye11 (5704 posts) - - Show Bio

  1. first half of ur point is completely irreverent 2 second half.

No it's not. It proves Cap is fast enough to get to cover before deadshot aims. Unless you can prove he will hit a superhuman within a second

  1. dodging the slowest bullet feat is gonna help him from mach 3 bullets.

Ok, so having literally no time to react to something traveling close to, if not outright mach 1, yet still moving his body within milliseconds to avoid the bullets is not enough to justify he can do the same here with 1000x the distance between him and a round going only 3x faster?

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How about when Cap avoids quinjet fire while riding a motorcycle? I'm pretty sure those travel close to 900 m/s

Also in the avengers, Hawkeye dodges a shot from Fury on the helicarrier. And Tony Stark dodged a tank shell going minimum 400m/s in Iron Man. Not to mention he can shoot arrows out of the sky. Again, only peak human tops. Cap is flat out above them both. Tony couldn't even react to Cap in h2h, and again, this guy dodged a tank shell.

Just because the Russo brothers don't copy the matrix and use the "bullet time" effect everytime, doesn't mean Cap is too slow to dodge em

aim-dodgeing a featless fodder's bullet is irrelevant.

And shooting fodder and stationary targets are? Cap couldn't have aim dodged the rounds in the bus, he had no view of the shooter, thus no view to dodge his aim

mach 3 bullets speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shield throwing speed and both batman and deadshot can easily dodge his shield throwing easily.

Cap can ricochet his shield from behind cover, and tag multiple men. men mind capable enough to hijack a S.H.I.E.L.D. ship.

cap is no close to batman level of bullet-timing say that he can dodge deadshot bullet.

You're wrong though. Cap has dodged multiple point blank shots, fired right at him. It doesn't matter how accurate you are, because he can move out of the way of the shot. He can do this without view, as well as with view of the shooter. With milliseconds to react

Literally everyone he goes against shoots at him, and would hit him if not for Cap raising his shield before the bullet connects. And hydra used the same rifles in the WS, and he blocked those just fine.

1 feat of Bruce aim dodging isn't enough to say he's on Daredevil's level of speed, let alone Caps

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#81 Posted by Buckwheat (2268 posts) - - Show Bio

@lukehero said:

Team stomps

MCU Cap is a killer. Death by knifes, throwing people off plains, grenades… He doesn’t think twice before going for a kill. And he fights against multiple armed enemies all the time. Also his strength is crazy. Kick a car hard enough for it to move so fast that it hits a man and throws him flying. Throw a 700 hundred pounds Harley Davison motorbike so hard as to almost brake a car in two. Go H2H with Ultron. And very, very durable: in WS Cap lifts a steel beam of over 5 tons after tanking 4 gunshots and a deep knife wound. He goes through a bus with no injury. Takes hits from Ironman… It’s all there, if you care to check.

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I understand the team has an advantage. But Steve is clearly superhuman on the MCU.

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#82 Edited by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio

@webinyoureye11 said:
  1. first half of ur point is completely irreverent 2 second half.

No it's not. It proves Cap is fast enough to get to cover before deadshot aims. Unless you can prove he will hit a superhuman within a second

  1. dodging the slowest bullet feat is gonna help him from mach 3 bullets.

Ok, so having literally no time to react to something traveling close to, if not outright mach 1, yet still moving his body within milliseconds to avoid the bullets is not enough to justify he can do the same here with 1000x the distance between him and a round going only 3x faster?

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How about when Cap avoids quinjet fire while riding a motorcycle? I'm pretty sure those travel close to 900 m/s

Also in the avengers, Hawkeye dodges a shot from Fury on the helicarrier. And Tony Stark dodged a tank shell going minimum 400m/s in Iron Man.

Not to mention he can shoot arrows out of the sky.

Again, only peak human tops.

Cap is flat out above them both. Tony couldn't even react to Cap in h2h, and again, this guy dodged a tank shell.

Just because the Russo brothers don't copy the matrix and use the "bullet time" effect everytime, doesn't mean Cap is too slow to dodge em

aim-dodgeing a featless fodder's bullet is irrelevant.

And shooting fodder and stationary targets are? Cap couldn't have aim dodged the rounds in the bus, he had no view of the shooter, thus no view to dodge his aim

mach 3 bullets speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shield throwing speed and both batman and deadshot can easily dodge his shield throwing easily.

Cap can ricochet his shield from behind cover, and tag multiple men. men mind capable enough to hijack a S.H.I.E.L.D. ship.

cap is no close to batman level of bullet-timing say that he can dodge deadshot bullet.

You're wrong though. Cap has dodged multiple point blank shots, fired right at him. It doesn't matter how accurate you are, because he can move out of the way of the shot. He can do this without view, as well as with view of the shooter. With milliseconds to react

Literally everyone he goes against shoots at him, and would hit him if not for Cap raising his shield before the bullet connects. And hydra used the same rifles in the WS, and he blocked those just fine.

1 feat of Bruce aim dodging isn't enough to say he's on Daredevil's level of speed, let alone Caps

  • is cap gonna throw the shield or he is gona carry it coz u talk like he can do both a a same time ???
  • i dont care what hawkeye and ironman did which is irrelevant here and ur ABC logic is irrelevant since iroman dodge that tank shell is a PSI.
  • do u have any idea how much a bullet would be slowed when it goes through a steel ???
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  • quinjet scene the bullet firing rate is the only thing that matters not bullet speed since he moves the bike from one side to other before next bullet is fired and black widow and hawkeye wasn't able to shot loki in avengers using quinjet which clearly say its lack of accuracy.
  • iron man suit H2H feat differs.
  • none of them had AR-15 in WS or any weapon with THAT SPEED OR FIRING RATE ??
  • if u have any cap bullet dodge feat within 0.05 sec with a gun of 12 - 10 bullets/sec firing rate reply me coz u r wasting my time .
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#83 Posted by webinyoureye11 (5704 posts) - - Show Bio

@nightmare52:

is cap gonna throw the shield or he is gona carry it coz u talk like he can do both a a same time ???

No, he's gonna use it to cover himself as he runs behind cover. Then when he's behind cover, he can ricochet it KO deadshot

i dont care what hawkeye and ironman did which is irrelevant here and ur ABC logic is irrelevant since iroman dodge that tank shell is a PSI.

Translation, "wahh, I don't like your feats because they prove I'm wrong!"

do u have any idea how much a bullet would be slowed when it goes through a steel ???

Do you? Does it halve the speed? Quarter it? Even at 100m/s, Cap was inches away. He had almost no time to move, yet while on a speeding car still dodged

quinjet scene the bullet firing rate is the only thing that matters not bullet speed since he moves the bike from one side to other before next bullet is fired and black widow and hawkeye wasn't able to shot loki in avengers using quinjet which clearly say its lack of accuracy.

So he can dodge automatic fire with no cover and on a motorcycle, glad we covered this. And don't lowball, he clearly dodged shots that would have hit him

none of them had AR-15 in WS or any weapon with THAT SPEED OR FIRING RATE ??

Cap specifically states that Rumlows men in civil war had AR-15s. In the exact scene I posted of him blocking rounds, and KOing a dude with a shield toss behind cover.

if u have any cap bullet dodge feat within 0.05 sec with a gun of 12 - 10 bullets/sec firing rate reply me coz u r wasting my tim

If you have a feat of deadshot tagging anyone remotely close in speed to Cap, then don't bother replying to me. Cause you have no feats. You are basically just lowballing all the feats I've provided, labeling them PIS, and you then tell me I'm wasting your time? Grow up kid, you tagged me first, and I proved all your points wrong. Don't get upset

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#84 Posted by webinyoureye11 (5704 posts) - - Show Bio

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It's clear to me peak humans can block bullets after being fired, and super soldiers are fast enough to dodge them in the MCU

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#85 Edited by Gracetrack (4638 posts) - - Show Bio

Team. I don't see Cap fending off both of them. While Bats fights Cap in cqc, Deadshot will get in a headshot.

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#86 Posted by webinyoureye11 (5704 posts) - - Show Bio

@gracetrack: and why wouldn't deadshot shoot batman instead? They are in character

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#87 Posted by Gracetrack (4638 posts) - - Show Bio

@webinyoureye11: Because that would kind of defeat the entire purpose of this thread.

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#88 Posted by webinyoureye11 (5704 posts) - - Show Bio

@gracetrack: I only say this cause deadshots wish was to kill batman. Him being in character here means that has to cross his mind at the very least. I didn't make the rules, I'm just going with them

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#90 Posted by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio

@webinyoureye11:

@nightmare52:

No, he's gonna use it to cover himself as he runs behind cover. Then when he's behind cover, he can ricochet it KO deadshot

Translation, "wahh, I don't like your feats because they prove I'm wrong!"

tell all u want it's still irrelevent .

Do you? Does it halve the speed? Quarter it? Even at 100m/s, Cap was inches away. He had almost no time to move, yet while on a speeding car still dodged

is there anything to suggest that it traveled 100 m/s ???

So he can dodge automatic fire with no cover and on a motorcycle, glad we covered this. And don't lowball, he clearly dodged shots that would have hit him

lol , r u implying that he has DCEU superman level reaction feat .

Cap specifically states that Rumlows men in civil war had AR-15s. In the exact scene I posted of him blocking rounds, and KOing a dude with a shield toss behind cover.

so , u r saying that those fodders = Deadshot ?????

If you have a feat of deadshot tagging anyone remotely close in speed to Cap, then don't bother replying to me. Cause you have no feats.

dceu batman.

You are basically just lowballing all the feats I've provided,

u r the one who is lowballing by comparing those fodders to deadshot.

labeling them PIS, and you then tell me I'm wasting your time?

inconsistancy = psi , YEP.

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#92 Posted by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio
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#93 Posted by webinyoureye11 (5704 posts) - - Show Bio

@nightmare52: why not the same setting as this thread? I mean, you have been saying cap has no chance here

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#94 Edited by Alkan (4 posts) - - Show Bio

Deadshot can do the same thing Bucky did, shooting Steve in two different areas, that way he has to take a bullet. Floyd has the ability to gun Cap down eventually. With Batman here, I see the team winning it because of Floyd's shooting. They'll have to work for it though, Cap is no joke.

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#95 Posted by Gotoucanario (2958 posts) - - Show Bio

Deadshot solos

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#96 Edited by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio

@nightmare52: why not the same setting as this thread? I mean, you have been saying cap has no chance here

if u consider too much hiding spot in a CAV , it wouldn't look good.

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#97 Posted by webinyoureye11 (5704 posts) - - Show Bio

@nightmare52: "if u consider too much hiding spot in a CAV , it wouldn't look good."

What? Read the op. If you don't think the team can win in this situation, why have you been tagging me? If you don't wanna CAV with this exact scenario, that means you don't think the team wins

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#98 Edited by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio

@webinyoureye11 said:

@nightmare52: "if u consider too much hiding spot in a CAV , it wouldn't look good."

What? Read the op. If you don't think the team can win in this situation, why have you been tagging me? If you don't wanna CAV with this exact scenario, that means you don't think the team wins

team can definitely win , i am in for a CAV if u think u can keep up with me.

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#99 Posted by Amnesiak (3641 posts) - - Show Bio

Team