Cap and Cap vs Bat and Bat

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Equitment

Cap(steve)-Shield

Cap(Bucky)-Shield, dessert eagle with 2 clips, and a combat knife

Bat(Bruce)-standard equitment

Bat(Dick)-standard equitment

bloodlust but morals

no prep

who wins

the Caps should take this.

the bats will run the caps over with there batmobiles

"the bats will run the caps over with there batmobiles "

actually i believe Bruce is the better fighter. he received training from all over the world, he also has all of his gadgets so i wouldnt think  that the caps would take this so easily

Bruce is the better fighter but i think caps shield and strength bets bruce. bucky's gun and shield can beat dick

I see your point, but all im saying is if Bruce uses his smoke bombs to out maneuver steve he can disarm him and beat him in a one on one fight. i agree the bucky can beat dick but if he can hold him off long enough for bruce to take down steve (even just for a moment) they can overpower bucky.

The Bats.

The Bats win this battle.

the bats win, while Bruce vs Steve is HIGHLY debatable, in the end i'm giving it to Bruce, he has WAY more fighting skills and a higher array of arsenal

" @Captain_Justice95: well they still win "

" @SlimJ87D: because the bats are smarter they have a ton of gadgets they throw a smoke bomb then they both cut the caps head of with there lasers "

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

"@SlimJ87D: because the bats are smarter they have a ton of gadgets they throw a smoke bomb then they both cut the caps head of with there lasers i am dccomicsrule2011 because dc rule to me but i still love marvel too "

Batmans smart is only good when there is prep time, and batmans smarts is the least thing that is going to help him in this fight. and i will agree that bats is the better h2h fighter but you have to remeber that cap is one the best fighters in marvel and also is a supersloldier. its a long fight but cap is just too much for the bat. and bucky beats dick 

Do Caps have a way to get around Batman's gadgets?

"Do Caps have a way to get around Batman's gadgets? "

can i refer to my post earlier about bruce disarming steve. if he does that (which is very plausible) he can win at h2h. an with all of Dick's Gadgets there is no doubt in my mind that he can do the same to Bucky, and do u not realize that both Bruce and Dick are extremely intelligent, and will start to memorize the caps strategy. Once they do this, they can anticipate the next move the caps will make, and counter.  Im not saying it will be a stomp im just saying the bats will pull it off 6/10

" can i refer to my post earlier about bruce disarming steve. if he does that (which is very plausible) he can win at h2h. an with all of Dick's Gadgets there is no doubt in my mind that he can do the same to Bucky, and do u not realize that both Bruce and Dick are extremely intelligent, and will start to memorize the caps strategy. Once they do this, they can anticipate the next move the caps will make, and counter.  Im not saying it will be a stomp im just saying the bats will pull it off 6/10 "

" @SlimJ87D: Oksy i see exactly where you are coming from, and am glad i finally found someone on this site who isnt a fanboy to debate with. all im saying is this fight isnt based on statistics. I realize that steve is stronger, more agile, and faster, as is bucky to dick. I just believe with help of there gadgets such as smoke grenades and batarangs, they could use hit and run tactics and eventually win 6/10 "

" Been done several times. "

" @SlimJ87D:  True i see where you are coming from especially with Bucky's arm and since the OP doesnt state anything about prior knowledge of each other. it could go either way, because I can see Dick getting caught off guard by Bucky, but with his prior experience as Nightwing he might be able to react just in time, I guess we would just have to see if they ever fought who would be the victor. But what is your angle on Steve vs Bruce "

" @SlimJ87D:  Wow i'm surprised. that was a very good analysis. but Steve has more of an aggressive fighting style, where as deathstroke is more calm and collective, as is Bruce. I fell that Bruce has a shot 6/10 simply because he can just dodge and counter until the fight is over, but if steve could land a good shot on Bruce it might KO Bruce, but i have seen Bruce take a hell of a lot of punishment, and stay conscious. so he may be able to take a few blows from Cap. and if he can just stay smart he might have this . and if he is able to disarm Steve then it would be a pretty fair match h2h  "

" @Sgtcrispy said:

"Do Caps have a way to get around Batman's gadgets? "

what do you mean by that "

Bat's win.

" @The_Elemetal said:

" @SlimJ87D:  True i see where you are coming from especially with Bucky's arm and since the OP doesnt state anything about prior knowledge of each other. it could go either way, because I can see Dick getting caught off guard by Bucky, but with his prior experience as Nightwing he might be able to react just in time, I guess we would just have to see if they ever fought who would be the victor. But what is your angle on Steve vs Bruce "

This was my analysis awhile back. Deathstroke beat Batman in H2H. Batman even had the element of surprise. Deathstroke beat him very badly, it didn't even look like Batman had a chance. I don't know if Batman could pull off it win against Deathstroke, it would be maybe 2/10 for Batman. Don't forget that Deathstroke schooled Dick as Nightwing so bad that NIghtwing had to pay him off to not assassinate the person he was protecting. 

Deathstroke is 10X the average man. The average man can bench about 150 lbs, and that is being generous, I think it was actually 145. Therefore Deathstroke can lift around 1500 to 1800 lbs.

Steve has been shown repping 1100 lbs. That is repping, which means he can possibly lift a bit more than that. Steve is still weaker than Deathstroke though, Steve could go against Deathstroke and wing 4/10.

Steve against Bruce would be a 7/10 H2H, 6/10 Shield and gadgets Steve in favor. 

That's kinda my take on it. 

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Steve Rogers Captain America defeats Bruce wayne Batman after a long, drawn out fight.

Dick Grayson Batman defeats Bucky Barnes Captain America.

" @entropy_aegis:  Deathstroke's powers were waning before, and after his first fight with Batman in Slade's on-going. In their second fight in Detective Comics, Deathstroke even gave Batman two free hits to let him know he couldn't hurt him, then beat him up in a single page, which is what I presume Slim is referring to. "

For the record, Deathstroke has also been described as having the strength of 20 men, and he has several abilities that Steve does not, such as his mental properties and healing factor, while Steve has a certain skill advantage over him. So the comparison is lacking to begin with.

" @entropy_aegis:  Everyone seems to automatically make the connection between the process that enhanced Steve and the one that enhanced Slade, I fancy. The general idea being that "if a supersoldier from DC can beat X (insert random street level character name here), a supersoldier from Marvel can do it, too". "

ok....the Bruce vs Steve battle has  been done COUNTLESS times with many people on either side, i' m giving it to Bruce for the following reasons

1. he's a better fighter, while steve has fought in world war II and trained there, it pales in comparison to the ten year journey that Bruce has went through learning hundreds of different fighting moves and techniques and inventing a few himself, he knows all there is to know about the human body, pressure points, pain receptors, vulnerable spots, he can systematically take steve down

2 the main argument for steve is that he's stronger/faster than bruce, well bruce has taken on people stronger than him Bane,Killer Croc, Grundy, etc people faster than him he's sparred with Wonder Woman, superman, dick grayson (who is more agile than him) Deathstroke, and he's fought people with better fighting skills and knowledge than him Bronze tiger, Lady Shiva, Ra's Al Ghul etc having a SLIGHT physical advantage ( i say slight because steve isn't THAT much stronger than bruce, steve can lift around 500lbs while bruce benches around 300) isn't going to matter
3.finally his saving grace is his utility belt, while steve's shield can be thrown, or used to protect...thats about all it can do, while batman has knockout gas, smoke bombs, stun grenades, electric brass knuckles, bolas, grappling hooks, explosives, batarangs and much more.


now as for the grayson/bucky fight, i dont see why people say bucky will win, grayson is better than him in EVERY category

he's stronger, faster, more agile, has a wider array of weapons, is a better tactician, strategist and leader, and knows much more fighting stypes, like  Bruce, he's fought people much stronger than him so that bio arm of bucky won't help much, in the end the Bats defeat the Caps

" @SlimJ87D said:

" @The_Elemetal said:

" @SlimJ87D:  True i see where you are coming from especially with Bucky's arm and since the OP doesnt state anything about prior knowledge of each other. it could go either way, because I can see Dick getting caught off guard by Bucky, but with his prior experience as Nightwing he might be able to react just in time, I guess we would just have to see if they ever fought who would be the victor. But what is your angle on Steve vs Bruce "

This was my analysis awhile back. Deathstroke beat Batman in H2H. Batman even had the element of surprise. Deathstroke beat him very badly, it didn't even look like Batman had a chance. I don't know if Batman could pull off it win against Deathstroke, it would be maybe 2/10 for Batman. Don't forget that Deathstroke schooled Dick as Nightwing so bad that NIghtwing had to pay him off to not assassinate the person he was protecting. 

Deathstroke is 10X the average man. The average man can bench about 150 lbs, and that is being generous, I think it was actually 145. Therefore Deathstroke can lift around 1500 to 1800 lbs.

Steve has been shown repping 1100 lbs. That is repping, which means he can possibly lift a bit more than that. Steve is still weaker than Deathstroke though, Steve could go against Deathstroke and wing 4/10.

Steve against Bruce would be a 7/10 H2H, 6/10 Shield and gadgets Steve in favor. 

That's kinda my take on it. 

"

What does Deathstroke have anything to do with this?Dick stalemated Slade recently and Bruce beat him up so badly that he got owned by a thug later.Batman has been seen repping 1000lbs as well.Batman beats Steve cause his displays of H2H and martial arts knowledge has been better than Steve's. "

" @entropy_aegis:  Everyone seems to automatically make the connection between the process that enhanced Steve and the one that enhanced Slade, I fancy. The general idea being that "if a supersoldier from DC can beat X (insert random street level character name here), a supersoldier from Marvel can do it, too". "

" @Morpheus_ said:

" @entropy_aegis:  Everyone seems to automatically make the connection between the process that enhanced Steve and the one that enhanced Slade, I fancy. The general idea being that "if a supersoldier from DC can beat X (insert random street level character name here), a supersoldier from Marvel can do it, too". "

Exactly that's stupid. "

" For the record, Deathstroke has also been described as having the strength of 20 men, and he has several abilities that Steve does not, such as his mental properties and healing factor, while Steve has a certain skill advantage over him. So the comparison is lacking to begin with. "