can Whis solo this team?

@orientalwarrior: also if you want to continue, mind if we take this to PM's (Don't want to derail this any further.)

Bump

HCLW from what I’ve seen and heard from is too hax for the verse, literally has conceptual and EE plus probability manipulation via lucky coin which would make Whis miss while granting HCLW guaranteed hits. Whis has zero ways of taking him down as he has survived literal EE and conceptual erasure.

Mori can outright power null Whis by using his refined Jin Hwechook and rob Whis of his powers and then would proceed to warp him outta existence by telling him to “dissapear“

All I know is that Lessa god tiers stomp all of DB since characters in that manhwa can view reality as mere fiction. Can’t remember if Dark Lessa is on the same plane field as Ra.

Shura can use 9th sense to blitz, and then oneshot via eclipse excalibur, ex machina, or Kusanagi no Tachinari, some of these attacks managed to overpower a Zeus possessed Aiolia who had the power to outright nuke the entire Underworld and caused it to crumble and vanish. He can also replicate the same power of Hades blade.

Kronos stomps via Pragma Spathe like mentioned above. Said god is equal to Pontos who has shown to weave reality to his liking, basically warping reality on top of changing the fate of others either that be gods or mortals.

Darsh is slow but, Whis has no ways of taking him down while Darsh has plethora of ways to take Whis down, either that be destroying his EA or BFRing etc.

Hades potentially scales above Kronos so he could oneshot and his weapon could send Whis outside the cycle of reincarnation. Team is just overkill at this point.

Whis scales above all of these, what can the prisoned girl do not familiar with her

@eredin12: @estrelladeleon: why you people are arguing about higher dimensional stuff and it's like it even matters in this thread ?

No body in Dragon Ball are higher dimensional beings (except Infinite Zamasu), everybody else are 3D with 4D AP

HCLW is only here Cus of hax but he gets utterly blitzed and oneshotted before he can use any of it, unfortunately HCLW has some crazy regen so whis can’t really put him down for good, eventually HCLW will turn the tables with lucky coins and other hax

Don’t really care for the higher dimensional Mori arguments because for 1 it’s never really shown or stated that lower dimensional beings can’t interact with Mori and 2 DBS have shown higher dimensional interaction time and time again even if they themselves aren’t true higher dimensional beings, it’s just how ki works. With that out the way, While Whis is far more powerful, Jin is no slouch in speed and his conceptual hax may prove too much for whis , whis only win-con is to erase him with matter manip but jin’s hax has too much range

Hades is pretty haxy as well and has some conceptual attacks but Saint seiya speed is kinda controversial, high-end feats performed by miracles can keep up with DBS high tiers but I’m not sure how fast they are consistently so it’s a toss up

Dark schneider while extremely haxy and very hard to kill he’s also a statue to whis and this is just raw speed without even considering mastered ultra instinct, but whis runs into the same problem with Broken regen that he can’t overcome

Don’t know much about the other characters so I’ll leave it at that but the OP stipulations make it impossible for Whis to win since majority of these characters have regen that even surpasses Majin buu and conceptual resistance, and whis has a severe lack of showings so we don’t really know what he’s fully capable of, this was definitely a bias matchup

Mori is as much of a higher dimensional being as Chronoa aka not really.

OT. Whis gets overwhelmed and wrecked here.

Lol it's 2023 and people still use dimensional tiering what a joke.

Not like it's even needed to stomp whis

Whis has the power to one shot all of them

The team shitstomps the verse

Dark Lessa never destroy infinite universe, but she did destroy billions of galaxies in a single strike and top of that dark lessa was in weaker form when she did those feat. You could argue full power Dark Lessa to Universal to Universal+. Dark Schreider's eternal atom a quite broken, not sure Whis can do anything to those. Regardless, Whis and his verse get curbstomped.

Team takes turn in oneshotting him + his verse

She can't oneshot DBS verse, this prove you lack of knowledge on the series.

yes and easily, he is an angel

I don't even know any of the characters that are vs'ing him so Whis wins by default.

Your opinion, nothing else

dark lessa is ra's equal....

she is atleast low complex, low balled. she sees whis as fiction.

Whis already stomped whoever he is fighting so hard that even their picture got erased. Talk about a W.

Hades was so strong for Whis, he disappeared from the picture in the OP as the Angel would never even imagine facing someone with actual infinite power and actual hax. Built different, frfr.

Edit: Dark Lessa was there...? She blinks composite DB.

HCLW alone is enough.

Dark lessa hasn't show see fiction those feat do, this is just your headcanon.

Who’s in the pics against whis lol

Lol of course not

@agumonx:

you are pretty clueless, i doubt you've even read the third season of lessa if you say this tbh.

ra and dark lessa are equal existences and the reason why ra died.

@princex:

I already read all seasons of lessa, and I am pretty sure you haven't read any seasons of lessa, considering you only know how wank out of context stuff.

Equal existence doesn't they possesed each other abilities. Dark lessa hasn't shown feat nor the intelligent to do so. Your abc logic doesn't work here.

Also dark lessa low complex isn't lowballed, it is what actually implied to dark lessa only through statement. By feats, she is lower than that.

@agumonx:

R>F isn't an ability. If someone is equal to someone who has R>F transcendence, people who are equal to said character are of a similar transcendance to the R>F character. And this is clearly the case with dark lessa and ra if you read the series.

@princex:

R> F is an ability. Equal to someone who has R> F transcendence doesn't mean that said character possesed the abilities to do so. Dark Lessa hasn't any of those feats if you read the series. You made claims but can't back it up. Still waiting for Dark Lessa feats for viewing someone as fiction for in verse, let alone cross verse. Also waiting the feat for low complex for Dark Lessa is lowballed.

@agumonx:

brother, its not an ability. its a level of transcendence.

its not about showing the ability, its a level of existence/transcedance. if a character kills someone who gets L1-C through R>F and a character kills said character with R>F, that makes them atleast the same level as the one with R>F. what are you babbling about.

its even said dark lessa and ra are equal existences.

dark lessa and ra both exist in a higher plane of existence which is already above ra's creation aka the universe by default.

@princex said:

Dude it is an ability, it is not only about level of transcendence.

Why do you keep spouting nonsense, the key point is not about the "ability", the problem is Dark Lessa hasn't perform any R>F feats , and she hasn't kill someone thorugh R>F anyway and you keep claimed that is something Dark Lessa can do when no feats to back it up.

Again the statement about Dark Lessa and Ra are equal existences. Doesn't prove Lessa has feat to do R>F.

They both exist in higher plane of existence doesn't mean anything, only Ra can R>F his creation, and that is only to his own creation, he can't perform R>F to other fictional verse. Lessa can't do those things anyways.

Still waiting you to back up "low complex" Lessa is "lowballed".

@agumonx:

sorry you're just wrong about this.

ra has R>F through the creation of his own universe, and dark lessa is of a similar existence and could kill ra. dark lessa is L1-C.

Nope you are wrong on this, you didn't get what I said.

That is feat for Ra not Lessa, Lessa hasn't feat to kill Ra anyway, hence the L1-C is not lowball and can only rely on statement.

@agumonx:

ok so let me understand you correctly.

you agree that R>F transcendence grants you L1-C just like ra has shown to do.

But if a character can then interact and kill said being that has already shown R>F transcendence they don't gain anything from being able to kill and interact with said being? that makes a lot of sense.

a character that is multi-galaxy as you think dark lessa(even tho this was luciel so you're also wrong here). Can somehow kill a being who exist above his own creation in a R>F way. Dark Lessa shouldn't even be able to interact with ra if that was the case, but no dark lessa also exists at the same level of existence as ra which is qualitative superior to Ra's creation aka the universe. so its established that dark lessa exists qualitative superior to ra's world as they are equal existences and dark lessa can interact and kill ra as seen in the series.

im 100% sure you haven't read the series despite arguing like this.

If you right click and open in new tab it will show.

I don't think you understand correctly.

I only agree Ra has R>F transcendence , and thats only ra has shown to do.(via statement)

The character can interact and kill said being that shown R>F transcendence are meaningless. I want to see feats for Dark Lessa perform those feats. Not misinterpret panel statements and wank them.

You are wrong here, Luciel can only perform those feats because she possesed dark lessa's soul (1 of 3 component of Dark lessa in season 3 chapter 9). Ra servant also able to interact with Ra , does that mean they also have R>F layer transcendence? What a horrendous logic that you have lol. The Dark Lessa being "qualitative" superior to Ra's creation it just you usual pulling it out of nowhere, no feat to back it up.

All you do is spouting nonsense, create headcanon. I'm pretty sure you haven't read the series.

@agumonx:

if you can interact with and kill someone who has shown R>F transcendence and you are stated to be equal existences that does indeed mean you are at the same level as the R>F character that you are equal too. Which means you are qualitative superior the universe ra sees as fiction.

well its still not dark lessa is it?

ra created the angels superior to normal humans, the angels exist in the angels realm above the human universe. 123

you can't equate them to regular beings in ra's world. and even if someone interacted with ra, it wasn't his real form which we know exists outside of the concept of size

let me ask you this, if you can interact and kill a being that exists in a dimensional space with 20 spatial dimensions and said character can destroy a space that has 19 spatial dimensions.

what tier is the character that killed that character?

Dark lessa gets the same transcendence level as ra by them being equal existences.

and we know ra can see his universe with a R>F level of transcendence. no being that doesn't have the same level or higher level of R>F transcendence can interact with ra who has already shown said R>F transcendence.

someone who can supposedly only destroy galaxies gets seen as fiction by ra, and we know this isn't the case with dark lessa at all. they have the same level of transcendence.

you're literally arguing that anyone can interact with someone who has shown R>F transcendence. Dark lessa according to you is just an existence similar to a normal human despite us being told they are equal to ra and dark lessa having shown being to interact with ra and kill him.

i guess naruto can now interact with ra, good to know.

Not really, interact and kill who has shown R>F transcendence doesn't mean the killer have R>F transcendence, you need feats to show it. Dark Lessa will end the universes instantly if she really being "qualitative" superior to Ra's creation (which is not shown or stated in series, just a claim that you made along the way).

Luciel still is dark lessa vessel anyways.

Having realm above the universe doesn't grant you R>F transcendence, Ra's servant are has zero feat, statement for viewing human worlds as fiction.

Nobody equate them to regular beings in ra's world. His real form are vague. WoG statement usually take it with a grain of salt for fictional verse as it is not quantifiable oppose to what has shown in the series like in Lessa in this case, Ra's real form cannot be described or helpful in powerscaling.

how would dark lessa not have R>F when being an equal existence to ra as we got told, but not be qualatitive superior to ra's universe he sees as fiction. so dark lessa who is a existence below ra according to you can interact with ra who sees his universe as fiction. this would literally mean you think any character in fiction can interact with ra as dark lessa doesn't have R>F transcendence according to you so characters without R>F can interact with ra who has shown said trascendence.

so you literally think literally any fictional character can interact with ra if that's the case. since dark lessa doesn't have a similar transendence as ra according to you.

The tier of character will be depends on size of each spatial dimensions that the said character.

and yes dark lessa has shown R>F, by being an equal existence to ra who's existence is R>F superior to his own universe.

Dark Lessa being equal existences as ra doesn't mean she can replicate the feat of Ra's. Hence your abc logic. You need feat for that.

I already know Ra can see his universe with R>F level of trascendence, that is feat for Ra not Dark Lessa. Again you logic for interact is fallicious as proven with Ra's servant.

Except Ra hasn't shown any feat for viewing Luciel as fiction, neither was Dark Lessa has shown any feat for R>F transcendence.

You re the one who arguing that anyone can interact with someone who has shown R>F transcendence. I never claim dark lessa is an existence similar to a normal human you just made stuff up anyway.

Nobody claims naruto interact with ra, you just grasping the straw right now.

@princex:

First you claimed Dark lessa can made R>F trascendence , no proof to back it up. Only things is you keep clinging to the "equal existence" statement.

Second you claimed low complex Dark lessa was lowball, still no proof to back it up. The entire series best feat was luciel with part of Dark Lessa component, destroying billion of galaxy.

Third i already i asked you "Ra servant also able to interact with Ra , does that mean they also have R>F layer transcendence?" You dodged the question.

Fourth the author statement are vague, the concept of size doesn't apply to Ra's true form. If thats the case, it literally contradict to what series has shown, especially the "equal existence" part.