Can Stormbreaker kill DCEU Superman?

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Not sure because Superman’s piercing durability >>>>>>>> Thanos. Other than cutting Thanos Stormbreaker has no piercing feats.

Going through the infinity gauntlet blast is an energy resistance feat, not a cutting feats because the blast was not physical in nature

@rajjar: the “statue force above all”

What’s your take on Stormbreaker killing him? I don’t see a reason it doesn’t cut clean through any kryptonian considering Thanos durability and Diana chopping Doomsday.

Well, it's established that Hela's blades hit well above their durability, considering they got shattered by M-16, yet can cut uru and Asgardian armor. My personal opinion is because they are made of magically enhanced obsidian - otherwise the volcanic glass would shatter.

Stormbreaker has runes IIRC, can harness "planet-busting" dark magic that is the Bifrost, has cloth-weaving magic, has healing magic, and requires plasma from a really hot neutron star's core to melt. Even it's Groot handle is magic now. We don't even know if Diana's Sword of Athena is magic, so here's what we have -

a) Magic sword - it has some Greek on it about the goddess Athena sacrificing herself through her hunt or something, cuts through things with them glowing orange, seems like it channels Diana's Olympian energies just like her Bracelets of Submission. It either bypasses durability altogether, or the magic makes it durable enough to cut through substances. Which means SB should be enough to cut, considering uru > Olympian metal after Ares disintegrated with his exothermic left hand.

b) Non-magic sword. It is just plain sharp and hard enough to slice and dice Kryptonian flesh and bone. Which is damning for Olympian metals (including Poseidon steel) because of what Ares did. But do you know what happened to Aquaman's quindent? It >= Diana's sword based on Steppenwolf's armor.

SB slices and dices through Thanos. It can probably slice and dice through Hulk, since star forged uru > Asgardian wolf bone, and Asgardian wolf bone cut through Hulk's skin that no-sold GAU-12 Equalizer 25 mm bullets. Split durability means it cuts Superman, since no-selling GAU-8 30 mm does not mean he gets exempt from getting cut. The significance of 5 mm isn't worth any debate on the vine, even in the wank and bait and shitty calc threads. If we don't split durability, that nuke feat isn't really worth much since it was in space, way past the Starfish threshold and therefore void of any blast force and thermal radiation. The WE feat might mean something if argued correctly, but I'd still use the counter that it is less than worthless because Diana's striking power with that sword (w/ no momentum) is very very close to 0% of the force brought by the WE mass that Clark was taking, if I use the calc Flashfyr presented.

@finalkingthanos: He can't statue lightning.

Yes it can. But it would need to be via a very good throw or some other attack that lets Thor get a lot behind it. It literally slid off Thanos armor, they could’ve done more for it.

@hermes1220: Just lightning can kill dceu superman it is a magic not necessary use stormbreaker.

Totally hasn't been done before...

Stormbreaker is to Superman what a normal axe is to a human, probably worse.

@devidwarewolf: There is no magic in the MCU. Therefore, Thor’s lightning conjuring is not magically based.

Thor’s much more likely to hurt him with a Stormbreaker swing than with his lightning strikes tbh. They’ve never significantly hurt a high tier. Below or around his level.

I’ve discussed this before. Go through some of my posts from recently and you’ll see my stance.

I could honestly imagine people arguing against Jarnbjorn being able to chop DCEU Superman.

Through lots of speculation, maybe.

Through nothing but feats, it can't pierce him.

Obviously it would decap if hit it's a weapon made to fight biggest threats to the univse..

Oh how I long for the day where this discussion dies. Another MCU Thor vs DCEU Superman thread, the conversation has been had enough

@finalkingthanos

What do you make of my review?

iT wAs maDe foR CeLeStiaLs oNly, cAn tHeiR sKin tAnK a nUke?

or maybe a few clowns have left comicvine.

Maybe a few level headed people have joined.

Or perhaps people get tired of debating when nimrods like @luminoushydra troll in any MCU thread, and some of us just hit the poll button and move on.

@rajjar: hahaha I can picture a few using that.

What review mate I think I missed it?

Easily. Where did this impenetrable Kryptonian skin nonsense come from?

@rajjar: ahhh just found it must have missed it mate got a few replies around that time.

Yeah I agree I find it funny people arguing against magic being one of the reasons DD could be cut as that then means all it takes is specifically forged / sharp steel to do the job.

I think it’s as simple as both WW sword and Thors Axe are “superhero godly forged magical weapons” and just like most fantasy and comics they tend to be able to defeat even the strongest of foes.

Especially when Thor goes out of his way to star forge an axe which can kill a guy who tanks destroying the Infinity stones and wearing a gauntlet that channels continent level power like it’s a small electric shock.

Don't use split durability --> "nuke level skin"

@rajjar: I heard about the pressure per square inch from the nuke but why does the same not apply to Thor? Most people consider the star feat superior to the nuke.

We can't tell if the beam is a solar wind, plasma, or pure heat. I tried, and I failed. But it's a real star covered by the dyson; I digged that far and confirmed it.

I wasn't being serious since I put the quotation marks, but I don't know how to quantify the star feat besides temperature, nwgzsjuwhm96y2 has a 91 kiloton calc.

If Thor aims for the head, yes.

For my part, I think it was impressive. I agree.

Thanks!

What's your opinion of Diana's sword?

Let's get this to order.

1. Regardless of what the execs say, they shouldn't be treated as word of God. If someone does, they must believe that Thanos's skin is invincible (Joe Russo), because otherwise they are cherry-picking and have no ethos.

2. Even if my previous point is completely false, it literally is semantics. Magic isn't an objective concept, because it derives from the supernatural, from what we can't understand. Nuclear fusion is magic to the ancients whenever they look up at the sky. Just because MCU "magic" isn't as esoteric as we thought, it doesn't mean that it changes in application.

3. Strange's spells are Eldritch Magic, which is dumbed down by the execs into channeling dimensional energy from all across the multiverse. What do people think 616 magic is? Whenever sorcerers cast the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, they are invoking the power of the same one that makes Juggernaut unstoppable.

4. But that doesn't really matter, because if all Strange has learned is how to manipulate energy across the dimensions, it has zero relevance to Asgardian magic. Which may not be magic, but I'll still use the term since I don't have a better one. Science and magic are same to the Asgardians because they know how it works - it isn't the work of some wizards of obscurity. It doesn't get more magical than Asgard. Frigga demonstrates clairvoyance in Endgame. In Ragnarok, Loki reveals that witches can tell the future. Loki himself can shapeshift and make solid illusions. Thor has different types of ridiculous magic, including autopilot weapons that can revive him and give him bulletproof clothing. Hela has magically enhanced obsidian which is brittle like glass but can cut way above its payload, and she conjures matter from thin air. Odin can blast Thor across the realms with dark energy when the Bifrost isn't working, turn Frigga's body into sparkles and activate the Destroyer with a tap of Gungnir, and can literally enchant an object word for fricking word. He's also turned a cup into multiple stars, but I won't get into that.

So I can buy that magic doesn't exist, but that argument has no relevance here, because magic isn't objective to begin with. Call it durability-bypass if you want.

@rajjar: Hopefully some time tonight, I'm going to bring some points up and counter a few I disagreed with. I think we can have a serious discussion over this.

I'd love that, honestly. I've had like 1 magic discussion, so far for CBM movies.

For the record, I don't believe in the auto-assumption of magic = durability bypass.

@rajjar: honestly I find it funny people still try to say the mcu doesn’t have magic it has by far the most examples lol

Obviously.

@rajjar: Personally, I believe DCEU Kryptonians are susceptible to magic, and that Diana's sword is magical in nature - meaning it doesn't have any powers of its own, but was made using magic instead of mortal, mundane science.

The alternative, of course, is that Doomsday can be maimed by a mid-level brick wielding a muggle sword - like, an Asgardian footsoldier.

I'm pretty much in tune with what you wrote, except with more mach cones. =)

Cap's shield was pure vibranium and Thanos hacked it to bits with ease. He didn't do that to Stormbreaker.

It's like asking if a knife could kill me.

HA!

@nucleon: @rajjar: that’s my thoughts as well nucleon, I’m sure someone will find sound convoluted way around that though haha.

@rajjar: I find it suitable to always treat them as the word of god. There isn’t really a way to disprove what they’ve said. It’s clear as day that Thanos’ skin isn’t invincible so what they said is untrue. But what’s not clear is whether the quote about there being no magic. There’s no definitive way to prove whether the quote is untrue.

I was always of the belief that Doctor Strange used magic. I found it weird that they didn’t think magic was in their universe. But the word of god is the word of god until disproven. My point is that what I think the execs are getting at is that everything in their universe is in some way able to be explained. There’s nothing supernatural about it.

The main difference I find is that everything in DCEU that pertains to “magic” comes from an actual pantheon of Gods. Whereas the “magic” that pertains to the Asgardians is from technically aliens. I think the two universes handle it differently. The MCU has a much more realistic viewpoint of what magic is. The DCEU uses a more fantastical stance. I think it has a lot to do with how the universes have been built. The DCEU has made it an objective thing; the MCU has not.

This is just my opinion tbh. But I understand what you’re saying.

This is such a weird topic tbh.

I really like your explanation though.

@rajjar:

For the record, I don't believe in the auto-assumption of magic = durability bypass.

Good, because this is going to be an important aspect of my stance. I too don't believe in the auto-assumption of magic bypassing durability no matter the case, especially since Superman has resisted the magic from WW's lasso without any apparent pain (I can provide the scene if necessary.) Basically, I think the magic in Wonder Woman's sword is simply powerful enough to overcome DD's durability, a level of power that SB has not yet demonstrated. Now regarding your points, they seem to be heavily reliant on 'power scaling' and speculation (which, admittedly, mine will contain too.)

a) Magic sword - it has some Greek on it about the goddess Athena sacrificing herself through her hunt or something, cuts through things with them glowing orange, seems like it channels Diana's Olympian energies just like her Bracelets of Submission. It either bypasses durability altogether, or the magic makes it durable enough to cut through substances. Which means SB should be enough to cut, considering uru > Olympian metal after Ares disintegrated with his exothermic left hand.

I practically agree with everything except for this underlined statement. This is as faulty as saying Olympian metal > uru considering Hela crushed uru with one hand. Both these claims disregard a few things:

1. Ares or Hela may simply be that powerful,
2. Both characters have a connection to the weapons in question or
3. A combination of one and two

Not to mention, is this even the same sword? After all, the first was disintegrated by Ares. But even if it is the same sword, or same metal, it doesn't change the above statement.

b) Non-magic sword. It is just plain sharp and hard enough to slice and dice Kryptonian flesh and bone. Which is damning for Olympian metals (including Poseidon steel) because of what Ares did. But do you know what happened to Aquaman's quindent? It >= Diana's sword based on Steppenwolf's armor.

This is a common claim I see used. For one, Aquaman's trident is also magical in nature (I can provide the evidence if necessary.) Secondly, it is much easier to stab armor than it is to slice it. Also, the sword was able to cut SW's armor (Link). I don't consider WW's sword to act as a lightsaber (not requiring any force) which is why Flash can touch the tip. I think it channels WW's energy, like you said, through the force she puts behind it. The scene in which people often use to suggest WW couldn't pierce Steppenwolf's armor is the scene where she is hanging off a ledge and swings her sword single handedly. That position would make it extremely difficult to generate any notable force. Compare that to the scene where she is stable and uses two hands to pierce Doomsday and SW later on.

SB slices and dices through Thanos. It can probably slice and dice through Hulk, since star forged uru > Asgardian wolf bone, and Asgardian wolf bone cut through Hulk's skin that no-sold GAU-12 Equalizer 25 mm bullets.

This isn't really backed by anything. Fenris was clearly powerful and simply has better feats (to my knowledge) than uru. Whether uru should be more powerful than his teeth or not, doesn't hold much value.

If we don't split durability, that nuke feat isn't really worth much since it was in space, way past the Starfish threshold and therefore void of any blast force and thermal radiation.

I'll look into this a little more, but wouldn't that make it void of any visual blast? If so, that clearly wasn't the case. I believe it to be commonly accepted at this point that the nuke was indeed in high atmosphere, which would still make the force of the nuke drastically lower.

The WE feat might mean something if argued correctly, but I'd still use the counter that it is less than worthless because Diana's striking power with that sword (w/ no momentum) is very very close to 0% of the force brought by the WE mass that Clark was taking,

If you take the basis that the sword is not magical, I'd agree. However, I believe the sword is magical and channels Diana. Meaning the quantifiable force she generates in comparison to the WE would mean little.

This is just my 2 cents, though it is debatable.

@luminoushydra: Your disingenuous comments isn't trolling? Everything you type is cringeworthy.

I do not understand what kind of arguments people can come up with to say Stormbreaker won't penetrate his skin when his best showings are against bullets. This is as pointless and wrong as saying Thor beats Superman or Wonder Woman in a fight.

@anthp2000: Stormbreaker >>>> sword's wonder woman and sword can cut doomsday he is a kryptonians.

Weapon both is a magic of god asgard and olympus.

Yes,it can.

I don't see why it can't. I have no reason to believe that Superman's body is more rigid than Thanos' body, so if Stormbreaker can just pierce through Thanos it can very likely do the same with Superman. I mean, Doomsday pierced a sharp bone through Superman's chest and it "killed" him.

Imo Stormbreaker doesn't have the feats to say it can cut Superman but that doesn't mean it can't hurt him.

Superman's skin is more durable than Thanos and can withstand the atom shredding forces of a nuke point blank despite still being under some of the effects of Kryptonite. We're talking about nearly the most durable thing in the WoDC.

Steppenwolf's Apocalypse Armour>Doomsday's Skin=Superman's Suit=Superman's Skin

Let me keep it to this thread. Otherwise we'd be here all week.

Do you truly believe this? We're not talking about natural wood. We're talking about magically reinforced wood that has been used to destroy Thanos' landing craft in Wakanda, and thrown through a full gauntlet blast without being disintegrated or broken.

Your lowballing is so off the mark that it feels like I'm reading the ramblings of the village idiot, a guy who can't comprehend the obvious, or you're so insecure about something that you can't admit Stormbreaker is powerful.

Or maybe you're just trolling and don't care about your name being ridiculed alongside users like Sodam_Yat and the average Storm fan.

@risingbean: he’s just a massive DCEU fan he always says things like that in every thread regardless of what it’s actually about and how completely untrue it is lol.