Can Madara solo Black Clover?

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Poll Can Madara solo Black Clover? (53 votes)

Yes 51%
No 49%

Madara is at his strongest so is everyone in bc

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At his best, I think so.

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#2  Edited By Morningstar999

Juubidara? Oneshots them all with IT.

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no i think there's to much hax in blackclover that would be too much for juubidara

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With IT, probably yes.

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#5  Edited By GreyTheJiren

IT, Limbo clones, regular clones, flying into space and bombarding them with meteors, bombarding them with TBBs. Using mokuton on planetary scale as he did after using IT...

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#6  Edited By KillianDuclark

Mfw Juidara can't even tag most mages but somehow solos the verse

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I doubt it

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IT GG

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no

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Yes IT GG

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I don’t see him even beating julius or yami 1v1 and he would get blitzed before IT comes into play

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#12  Edited By Syncroniam

Madara easily stomps the entire Black Clover world, is there any character that could possibly even touch Madara Uchiha? Let alone defeat him. And I’m not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I’m not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I’m not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano’o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu. I’m also not talking about Kono Yo no Kyūseishu Futarime no Rikudō Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (which is capable of Enton Amaterasu, Izanagi, Izanami and the Tsyukuyomi Genjutsu), his two original Rinnegan (which grant him Chikushōdō, Shuradō, Tendō, Ningendō, Jigokudō, Gakidō, Gedō, Banshō Ten’in, Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Tengai Shinsei and Banbutsu Sōzō) and a third Tomoe Rinnegan on his forehead, capable of using Katon, Fūton, Raiton, Doton, Suiton, Mokuton, Ranton, Inton, Yōton and even Onmyōton Jutsu, equipped with his Gunbai (capable of using Uchihagaeshi) and a Shakujō because he is a master in kenjutsu and taijutsu, a perfect Susano’o (that can use Yasaka no Magatama), control of both the Juubi and the Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA and face implanted on his chest, his four Rinbo Hengoku Clones guarding him and nine Gudōdama floating behind him after he absorbed Senjutsu from the First Hokage, entered Rikudō Senjutsu Mode, cast Mugen Tsukuyomi on everybody and used Shin: Jukai Kōtan so he can use their Chakra while they are under Genjutsu. I’m definitely not Talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Super Saiyan Blue Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after Alucard, able to tap into Sword Art Online, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu and having eaten Katakuri's devil fruit. I’m talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Legendary Super Saiyan Rose Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with his Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after having absorbed Alucard as well as a God Hand, able to tap into Sword Art Online, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit, with Majin DNA implanted in him and having eaten Akainu's devil fruit while possessing quantum powers like Medaka Kurokami and having mastered Hokuto Shinken.

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he would be to slow to do IT also he truly doesn't have immorality he just has super regeneration its the same thing as dante's there's to much hax for him in BC

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He legit could wipe everyone out with IT if he wants.

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he blinks the verse

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the votes are shocking

he gets negged by julius or licht

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No one in Naruto has resistance to time manipulation, so Madara can't take Julius down.

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#19  Edited By Seb178

Madara oneshots the verse

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#20  Edited By ragegod

No.

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I don't think anyone from Naruto can. Too much speed and hax that he has no counter to.

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IT GG

Limbo GG

TSB GG

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#26 Pr03  Online

Julius slaps every Naruto character 1v1.

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#27  Edited By Delein
@seb178 said:

IT GG

Limbo GG

TSB GG

nice arguments. None of those helps tho.

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Yes. Nobody in the verse has an answer for Tsukiyomi. No one in the verse is busting his catastrophic planetary devastation. No one in the verse is countering limbo.

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#29  Edited By RomeoBeta

@kalebsmarty156:

According to the fandom:

"A genjutsu is created when a ninja controls the chakra flow of a target's cerebral nervous system, thereby affecting their five senses"

here.

Energies aren't equalised so this shouldn't work as Black Clover doesn't have chakra. Assuming energies are equalised, Asta isn't affected either way and releases the others. He is also fighting the verse who are all FTL with Yami, Langris, Julius, Zenon and Dante ignoring durability.

"Limbo, an invisible world that coexists with the physical world but that is ordinarily impossible to detect, perceive or even physically interact with."

Yami has cut through dimensions, Asta has non physical interaction with his 3rd sword and they both should be able to sense the clones with ki.

"In order to penetrate the initial layers of rubble, users should use their most powerful attacks, such as the Tailed Beast Ball or Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. Actually aiming at the black sphere is not really necessary, as all attacks will be pulled towards it."

So... dimension slash go br?

What is Madara's answer to Glamour World, Dimension slash, Singularity, fate manipulation, time stop, and spatial magic?

How does he put down devils. Devil hearts can survive existence erasure and Zenon shouldn't have a soul.

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@kalebsmarty156:

According to the fandom:

"A genjutsu is created when a ninja controls the chakra flow of a target's cerebral nervous system, thereby affecting their five senses"

here.

Energies aren't equalised so this shouldn't work as Black Clover doesn't have chakra. Assuming energies are equalised, Asta isn't affected either way and releases the others. He is also fighting the verse who are all FTL with Yami, Langris, Julius, Zenon and Dante ignoring durability.

"Limbo, an invisible world that coexists with the physical world but that is ordinarily impossible to detect, perceive or even physically interact with."

Yami has cut through dimensions, Asta has non physical interaction with his 3rd sword and they both should be able to sense the clones with ki.

"In order to penetrate the initial layers of rubble, users should use their most powerful attacks, such as the Tailed Beast Ball or Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. Actually aiming at the black sphere is not really necessary, as all attacks will be pulled towards it."

So... dimension slash go br?

What is Madara's answer to Glamour World, Dimension slash, Singularity, fate manipulation, time stop, and spatial magic?

How does he put down devils. Devil hearts can survive existence erasure and Zenon shouldn't have a soul.

this, could someone actually answer this without wanking madara or trying to downplay every feat presented here

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Depends on where he starts, and who is left after IT is casted.

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Yes, he puts the planet under IT

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#33  Edited By RomeoBeta

@justberad: @ninjarizer:

I assume IT is this ability...

According to the fandom:

"A genjutsu is created when a ninja controls the chakra flow of a target's cerebral nervous system, thereby affecting their five senses"

here.

Energies aren't equalised so this shouldn't work as Black Clover doesn't have chakra. Assuming energies are equalised, Asta isn't affected either way (as Mana = Chakra and Asta doesn't have Mana) and releases the others. He is also fighting the verse who are all FTL with Yami, Langris, Julius, Zenon and Dante ignoring durability.

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Depends on if he has knowledge on BC really. He could always hide inside TSO And blind cast. Without knowledge though he might get to cocky.

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@kalebsmarty156:

According to the fandom:

"A genjutsu is created when a ninja controls the chakra flow of a target's cerebral nervous system, thereby affecting their five senses"

here.

Energies aren't equalised so this shouldn't work as Black Clover doesn't have chakra. Assuming energies are equalised, Asta isn't affected either way and releases the others. He is also fighting the verse who are all FTL with Yami, Langris, Julius, Zenon and Dante ignoring durability.

"Limbo, an invisible world that coexists with the physical world but that is ordinarily impossible to detect, perceive or even physically interact with."

Yami has cut through dimensions, Asta has non physical interaction with his 3rd sword and they both should be able to sense the clones with ki.

"In order to penetrate the initial layers of rubble, users should use their most powerful attacks, such as the Tailed Beast Ball or Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. Actually aiming at the black sphere is not really necessary, as all attacks will be pulled towards it."

So... dimension slash go br?

What is Madara's answer to Glamour World, Dimension slash, Singularity, fate manipulation, time stop, and spatial magic?

How does he put down devils. Devil hearts can survive existence erasure and Zenon shouldn't have a soul.

Well shisui and/or itschi stated that visual genjustu works by “injecting“ your own chakra into your victim. So even if energies aren’t equalized I don’t see why IT wouldn’t work. The only way it won’t work is by blocking out the chakra entirely. And assuming asta does null his chakra it means Madara just has to deal with asta.

So this literally becomes 8 Madara’s vs asta lol.

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#36  Edited By JustBeRad

@romeobeta: I’m not even going to humor that no energy equalized crap, the IT worked on every living being on the planet, even animals, it would absolutely work here. Chakra is the physical and spiritual energy present in every living being, ergo if you are alive, you have chakra, heck even the Magic in BC basically works the same as chakra. Madara has already fought FTL characters, this would be nothing new.

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@kalebsmarty156:

Well shisui and/or itschi stated that visual genjustu works by “injecting“ your own chakra into your victim.

Are there feats of them using genjutsu on someone who doesn't have chakra? The user injects their chakra into their victim to control their victims chakra, which none of the verse has. Do you have a scan for this? here is Jiraiya explaining to Naruto that they control the Chakra in their opponents,

And assuming asta does null his chakra it means Madara just has to deal with asta.

This is assuming energy is equalised. If energy were equalised Asta is not affected, and can release the others from this effect as he did against Damnatio's debuff. Yami's mana zone erases mana in the area and so Genjutsu doesn't work on him either.

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Time stop GG

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#39  Edited By RomeoBeta

@justberad: Sure. But Black Clover characters don't have chakra so it would not work. Can you prove that they do?

Madara has already fought FTL characters, this would be nothing new.

My point being that he has to fight at least 5 characters who can one shot him and another with BFR to another dimension. "He has clones", so does the BC team, Gauche can create up to 11 equally as strong clones of his target making it a what... 22 vs 8?

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@kalebsmarty156:

Well shisui and/or itschi stated that visual genjustu works by “injecting“ your own chakra into your victim.

Are there feats of them using genjutsu on someone who doesn't have chakra? The user injects their chakra into their victim to control their victims chakra, which none of the verse has. Do you have a scan for this? here is Jiraiya explaining to Naruto that they control the Chakra in their opponents,

IT itself literally being used on random animals like cats and dogs. And yes I have a scan of shisui saying this;

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And assuming asta does null his chakra it means Madara just has to deal with asta.

This is assuming energy is equalised. If energy were equalised Asta is not affected, and can release the others from this effect as he did against Damnatio's debuff. Yami's mana zone erases mana in the area and so Genjutsu doesn't work on him either.

Yami mana zone isn’t passive. He has to activate it. He’s already getting IT’d way before any of that. Asta gets jumped by 8 juudara clones.

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#41  Edited By JustBeRad

@romeobeta: Doesn’t matter if they have chakra or not, genjutsu affects the senses, you don’t need to have chakra for genjutsu to affect you, also IT was already cast on the world before the sage of six paths even gave chakra to the world and it worked just fine. As soon as IT is cast, this fight is over.

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@kalebsmarty156:

IT itself literally being used on random animals like cats and dogs. And yes I have a scan of shisui saying this;

Don't animals have chakra? This clan utlises dogs to fight with. These dogs use cooperation ninjutsu and ninjutsu requires chakra.

Yami mana zone isn’t passive. He has to activate it. He’s already getting IT’d way before any of that. Asta gets jumped by 8 juudara clones.

Is IT passive? If not then Yami sets up his zone. Asta can release the rest of his teammates so he isn't being jumped.

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Let's assume I.T doesn't work for the sake of the fight. 99% of the characters instant lose to the TSBs. The remaining 1% lose to limbo clones.

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#44  Edited By RomeoBeta

@justberad:

IT was already cast on the world before the sage of six paths even gave chakra to the world and it worked just fine.

Scan?

As soon as IT is cast, this fight is over.

But the same could be said against Madara... There are 5 characters who are all FTL that can oneshot him and another who has BFR.

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#45  Edited By RomeoBeta

@gohandorado:

The remaining 1% lose to limbo clones.

"Limbo, an invisible world that coexists with the physical world but that is ordinarily impossible to detect, perceive or even physically interact with."

Yami has cut through dimensions, Asta has non physical interaction with his 3rd sword and they both should be able to sense the clones with ki. Gauche can create 11 clones so it's 13 v 8? in Clover's favour.

What is his answer for fate manipulation?

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@kalebsmarty156:

IT itself literally being used on random animals like cats and dogs. And yes I have a scan of shisui saying this;

Don't animals have chakra? This clan utlises dogs to fight with. These dogs use cooperation ninjutsu and ninjutsu requires chakra.

The cats that were put under IT are not ninja animals. They don’t talk nor do they have chakra like these special ninja dogs.

Yami mana zone isn’t passive. He has to activate it. He’s already getting IT’d way before any of that. Asta gets jumped by 8 juudara clones.

Is IT passive? If not then Yami sets up his zone. Asta can release the rest of his teammates so he isn't being jumped.

Madara will be way up in the sky so yami mana zone ain’t touching him. And like I said, asta isn’t even getting the chance to release them. As hes gonna instantly get attacked by from multiple clones from different angles.

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#47  Edited By JustBeRad

@romeobeta:

This thread perfectly sums it up and has scans

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/westwood_trevor/blog/naruto-why-genjutsu-works-on-people-without-chakra/132475/

Also FTL is irrelevant to Madara, he can already react to that, also none of those characters use Nature Energy, so I don’t see them getting a chance to one shot before IT works or Madara defends with TSB/Limbo clones

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#48  Edited By RomeoBeta

@kalebsmarty156:

The cats that were put under IT are not ninja animals.

Sure, but this proves that animals have chakra.

They don’t talk nor do they have chakra like these special ninja dogs.

Them not being able to talk proves nothing, Akamaru cannot speak yet he can use ninjutsu. Animals have shown to have chakra evident in these dogs but only they have used ninjutsu.

Madara will be way up in the sky so yami mana zone ain’t touching him.

Not how mana zone works. It erases mana in the vicinity so while in the zone Yami would not be under the influence of IT.

And like I said, asta isn’t even getting the chance to release them. As hes gonna instantly get attacked by from multiple clones from different angles.

How though? Asta is FTL? How is Madara attacking him before he could even make his first move?

Asta isn't affected by IT (due to 1. Not having chakra/mana and 2. having anti magic running through his body). His first move would then be to release his comrades, Madara is not attacking Asta before he is able to do his first move...

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#49  Edited By RomeoBeta

@justberad:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/genjutsu-requires-chakra-to-function-and-heres-why-2053916

As this mans said:

Step one - target your opponent's senses to gain access to their chakra network

Step two - manipulate the chakra flowing through their brain, producing the effects of genjutsu

But the clover team has no chakra flowing through their brains... so again, it wouldn't work.

Also FTL is irrelevant to Madara, he can already react to that

Makes no sense. All 6 attack at FTL and some have or are greater than those who have blitzed and statued other FTL chars. Again, it is a 6v1 the first attacker wins. 6 people attacking 1 person they all can one shot, odds are the team wins...

also none of those characters use Nature Energy, so I don’t see them getting a chance to one shot before IT works

Don't see how this is relevant to them hitting him.

or Madara defends with TSB/Limbo clones

Yami's attacks cuts through dimensions, Dante's warps space.

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#50  Edited By Kalebsmarty156
@romeobeta said:

@kalebsmarty156:

The cats that were put under IT are not ninja animals.

Sure, but this proves that animals have chakra.

And it also proves IT works on non chakra animals aswell.

They don’t talk nor do they have chakra like these special ninja dogs.

Them not being able to talk proves nothing, Akamaru cannot speak yet he can use ninjutsu. Animals have shown to have chakra evident in these dogs but only they have used ninjutsu.

Ok I didn’t mean quite literally now lol. I mean the cats and dogs that were put under IT were nothing special at all.

Madara will be way up in the sky so yami mana zone ain’t touching him.

Not how mana zone works. It erases mana in the vicinity so while in the zone Yami would not be under the influence of IT.

Yami has literally no knowledge on Madara or his IT. So there’s absolutely no reason for him to come out with mana zone unless the situation calls for it. While madara is literally fighting the whole verse. IT is planetary in range, AKA, the verse…it’s 100% a necessity here. Madara is cocky but his isn’t stupid.

And like I said, asta isn’t even getting the chance to release them. As hes gonna instantly get attacked by from multiple clones from different angles.

How though? Asta is FTL? How is Madara attacking him before he could even make his first move?

Asta isn't affected by IT (due to 1. Not having chakra/mana and 2. having anti magic running through his body). His first move would then be to release his comrades, Madara is not attacking Asta before he is able to do his first move...

You do realize I have never once disagree with this. Right? Why are you constantly repeating this part? Lol all I said is Madara isn’t gonna let asta release the others. He uses almighty pull and chibaku tensei and reduces him to red paste. Anti magic isn’t doing anything to multiple island size rocks coming down simultaneously. Even if he nullifies the “black sphere” of chibaku tensei, it just ends up with millions of tons of rocks raining down on everything. He has absolutely no way of defending himself or the others from that.