Can Ichigo tank Goku's Backbreaker Combo (Frieza Saga)?

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Poll Can Ichigo tank Goku's Backbreaker Combo (Frieza Saga)? (102 votes)

Yes, easily 11%
Wounded. Sustains moderate-heavy injuries 11%
On the verge of collapse 11%
His body gets destroyed into pieces 68%
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#1  Edited By Dust_Hawk

Assuming Ichigo is stronger than the Ginyu Force. ?

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Goku cant touch him

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Nope. Not even close. If Ichigo can tank it with ease then he should be far more durable than Saiyan Saga Vegeta, Goku and Nappa. Dodoria, Zarbon, Beginning of Frieza Saga Vegeta, Monster Zarbon, Nail iirc etc.

This wank needs to stop. . .

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No. Bad death

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Let's all have a good laugh and stop with this Naruto vs Ichigo s^htstorm war and the wank.

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Hehe avoids every naruto troll thread.But always around for a Bleach one.I should make a ftl+ and multi-planetary Naruto meme image set XD.

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#8  Edited By Dust_Hawk
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He probably dies, but I know next to nothing about Ichigo’s feats.

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#10  Edited By zfighter18

Come on.

Ichigo dies to Frieza-Saga Goku. Pull the other one, brah.

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Mega BUMP!

Ichigo gets vaped.

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Goku is much more powerful, but striking power wise dragon ball characters really aren't that crazy strong. Ichigo actually has better on panel striking feats, but Goku arguably scales higher, so it depends on what you want to go with. However even if Ichigo does strike harder, I find it hard to see him tanking this entire combo. He probably gets heavily injured if he just lets these hit.

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#14  Edited By Bossmountain

@alextheboss: you're joking right? A half dead ssj Goku was able to deflect a multi-planet level attack from frieza with a single punch. Give me a striking feat for Ichigo that's anywhere close to that. Or even 1/1,000 as strong.

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#15  Edited By alextheboss

@bossmountain:

you're joking right? A half dead ssj Goku was able to deflect a multi-planet level attack from frieza with a single punch.

1. That was anime only and Goku wasn't half dead.

2. That's like saying a human that knocks a grenade away is grenade level. Frieza's attack does not destroy planets with the force of impact, it destroys it upon detonation.

Give me a striking feat for Ichigo that's anywhere close to that. Or even 1/1,000 as strong.

I don't need to because dragon ball characters can't destroy planets with strikes until god tiers.

Creating shockwaves with punches and hand waves was impressive back in dragon ball.

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In the saiyan saga Goku gets an even better feat by destroying a distant rock formation with just his shockwave.

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Getting thrown into the ground really fast heavily damages Vegeta.

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Goku kicks Frieza through islands and it is considered impressive.

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Krillin and Tien can't knock down a door and Goku has trouble with 40 tons.

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Ssj3 Gotenks considers this crater impressive

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Beerus and Champ destroying planets with strikes

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The striking power progression is pretty consistent for the most part and nobody was ever stated or shown to be able to destroy planets with punches until god level. Every time a character threatened to destroy a planet it was with a ki blast. Now potency is another matter, but I'm talking about straight up busting planets with a punch.

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@alextheboss:

1.) The original poster never said we couldn't use anime feats.

2.) Punching a mass of energy that far into deep space is still more than we see from Ichigo..

3. ) still waiting on striking feats for Ichigo.

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@bossmountain:

1.) The original poster never said we couldn't use anime feats.

Ssj Goku feats don't apply to pre zenkai boost base Goku.

2.) Punching a mass of energy that far into deep space is still more than we see from Ichigo..

You realize I voted that Ichigo ends on the verge of collapse? Obviously ssj Goku wrecks him.

3. ) still waiting on striking feats for Ichigo.

BoS Namek Goku trained with 100x gravity, Ichgo slapped away gravity that warped space-time.

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Destroyed hills with just the shockwaves of casual waves of his sword and stopped Aizen's strike with one hand.

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And at his peak should be much stronger than the suppressed shikai Kenpachi who one shot a giant meteor.

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And Ichigo cut Yhwach in half, who was going to destroy and reform 3 Earth sized worlds.

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And while Yhwach didn't instantly one shot a planet or anything, the scans should prove his power is on a planetary scale, and by scaling he is way above Kenpachi, so Ichigo cutting through him with one strike should be pretty impressive.

So like I said, I don't think he is tanking this attack from Goku, but his physicals shouldn't be underestimated.

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@alextheboss: 1.)pre zenkai boost base Goku shouldn't be more than a few hundred times record in Super Saiyan Namek Saga Goku especially since he was heavily injured and low on power.

2.) Yeah I'm aware.

3.) The problem with use gravity or object that warps space is that they're largely unquantifiable. Guy sensei was warping space when he unlocked the eight Gates . so surely he must be able to withstand a beating from pre Zenkai Namek Saga Goku

I still find it doubtful Ichigo could survive a beating from Namek saga Goku but to each his own.

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#19  Edited By PreCrisisBardock

Ichigo dies

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@bossmountain:

1.)pre zenkai boost base Goku shouldn't be more than a few hundred times record in Super Saiyan Namek Saga Goku especially since he was heavily injured and low on power.

When Goku went ssj he pretty much got all of his power back, just like how Frieza got his power back when he went to 100%. Ssj Goku's power level was 1,666.6x stronger than beginning of Namek saga Goku's, not to mention how power levels may not even scale linearly.

3.) The problem with use gravity or object that warps space is that they're largely unquantifiable.

Yeah, but since it noticeably warps space time it should definitely be over 10 by quite a bit, and since it was done casually it would make sense for Ichigo to be able to take some strikes from namek tiers without instantly dying.

Guy sensei was warping space when he unlocked the eight Gates . so surely he must be able to withstand a beating from pre Zenkai Namek Saga Goku

8 gates Guy hits harder than pre zenkai namek saga Goku, though he is a glass canon.

I still find it doubtful Ichigo could survive a beating from Namek saga Goku but to each his own.

A continuous beating probably not, but he just has to survive this one combo, which Goku was holding back with. He would probably end up similar to the Ginyu force, but probably still alive. If Goku was bloodlusted and could do whatever he wants, yeah, he should kill Ichigo easily.

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#21  Edited By Loveeveryone2

Ichigo can’t even tank Almighty Ywach slapping him around, who should scale to Multi Continent Level.

He’s not tanking a serious kick from Goku post 100 times gravity training.

Even members of the Ginyu Force should scale to planet level A/P with Relavistic combat speed. Which is above Ichigo durability.

Lol even Naruto at full power would die instantly from goku’s kick on Namek.

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@ecoblitz: If we scale them to Vegeta who can wipe the surface of the planet with his Galick gun then they should scale to planet level A/P as well. Not to mention Recoome shrugged off vegeta fully charged energy blast. Recoome can also slap away gohan’s masenko.

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@ecoblitz: If we scale them to Vegeta who can wipe the surface of the planet with his Galick gun then they should scale to planet level A/P as well. Not to mention Recoome shrugged off vegeta fully charged energy blast. Recoome can also slap away gohan’s masenko.

Literally none of what you mentioned is a physical feat

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Sure.

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@ecoblitz: So Goku slapping away a planet level blast from Ginyu member Jeice isn’t physical ?

https://www.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/281/13

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#28  Edited By UltraShaggy

Goku physical feats ? Ki blasts isnt count as a physical feat, and also ichigo have blut , and reatsu also can be used as shield, without reatsu and blut, he can tank it with mid - high diff, with reatsu "shield" + blut its cant even scratch him.

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Inoue's headbutt is enough to hurt him

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They use Ki to power blasts and physicals. This has been a thing since OG dragon ball. Frieza can no sell planetary explosions but get punched in the gut by SS goku or SS goku can block trunks sword with his finger right after he diced Frieza someone with planet level durability like some vegetables. DB is not naruto. Not that it matters when Frieza has feats of holding off a spirit bomb that had enough force to crush namek. Goku breaks ichigo’s back like a twig

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@alextheboss:

When Goku went ssj he pretty much got all of his power back, just like how Frieza got his power back when he went to 100%. Ssj Goku's power level was 1,666.6x stronger than beginning of Namek saga Goku's, not to mention how power levels may not even scale linearly.

fair enough. but again Goku one shot recoome who tank Vegeta strongest energy attack without much trouble. and while I'm not arguing they're energy durability and physical durability are the same but they must be comparable to one another. Since it make no sense for a character to absorb planetary + levels of kinetic energy applied via explosion a be fine then die to mountain level kinetic energy applied via fist. Plus Ki is use to power both phyiscal and energy attacks,

Yeah, but since it noticeably warps space time it should definitely be over 10 by quite a bit, and since it was done casually it would make sense for Ichigo to be able to take some strikes from namek tiers without instantly dying.

namek teir is planet + at least so probably not.

8 gates Guy hits harder than pre zenkai namek saga Goku, though he is a glass canon.

I completely disagree with this statement. for a number of reasons. Guy's striking power is at best multi-continental.

A continuous beating probably not, but he just has to survive this one combo, which Goku was holding back with. He would probably end up similar to the Ginyu force, but probably still alive. If Goku was bloodlusted and could do whatever he wants, yeah, he should kill Ichigo easily.

I still think Ichigo get destroys but to each his own.

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#32  Edited By Gaoron

Not seeing Ichigo as more durable than Ginyu Force so "On the verge of collapse" like Burter was I guess.

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Probably KO'd.

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#34  Edited By El_directo_

Lol at ichigo or naruto surviving goku's attacks.

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Ichigo dies.

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#36  Edited By alextheboss

@bossmountain: Nobody weaker than Frieza is planet+ level and low Namek tiers are only planet level with their strongest charged up attacks. These guys can punch hundreds of times a second if not more, so if each of their strikes were planet+ their total output should be hundreds of times planet level. Guy’s attack was so strong because he literally put his life energy into that one blow, he can’t just spam it. And like I showed with my scan above, Frieza said the planet explosion would weaken him, but pre zenkai base Goku wouldn’t be able to damage final form Frieze even if he just stood there.

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is this still a thing? master roshi was moon buster in the easily series and vegeta in the sayian saga was planet buster. this is FRIEZA saga, a much much much much stronger goku from sayian saga. what makes y,all think ichigo can tank a punch from goku, much less a combo. plus dont bring in that hado 99 black coffin feat. it was incomplete before he swiped it away. and bringing in yhwach doesn't count as well cause ichigo couldn't beat him without uyrus help with plot arrow. now you could scale ichigo to ken, who did indeed bust a meteor but that's nothing much for someone who can blow away planets with a finger.

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@rikuyamaha: This version of Goku can’t casually blow away a planet with a finger. Nothing less than his Kamehameha will do the job. Aizen later casually tanks his own hado 90, so Ichigo should be able to tank it as well.

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@alextheboss: talking about frieza being able to do it but i know what you mean. and when aizen done his, it was weaker then the one he used on ichigo cause he didn't do the chant before. while ichigo should be able to take that combo without dying, he would be out of commission for a Long time. he for sure isn't tanking that attack though.

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@rikuyamaha: Oh yeah I agree with that. I don’t think he tanks it.

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Bleach Laws of physics are very different

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no sells

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@alextheboss: Nobody weaker than Frieza is planet+ level

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These guys can punch hundreds of times a second if not more, so if each of their strikes were planet+ their total output should be hundreds of times planet level

that's not how DC works. If a character can throw a dozen wall level attacks he is still wall level.

Guy’s attack was so strong because he literally put his life energy into that one blow, he can’t just spam it. And like I showed with my scan above, Frieza said the planet explosion would weaken him,

clearly can understatement since he later survived being the center of an exploding planet while out of energy and cut in half.

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@bossmountain: the king vegeta scene only happened in the anime so it’s gonna get discredited but IMO anyone stronger than Saiyan Saga vegeta is planet level and then anyone around first form Frieza level is large planet level, possibly dwarf star level if you don’t mind calcs

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@demongod_pablo: 1.)it was never stated that we couldn't use anime feats

2.) It's perfectly consistent with other Feats in the anime likr Vegeta one shotting a planet with a casual Ki blast,Cells claims about being able to destroy a solar system Majin Buu destroying a Galaxy overtime Etc.

But to each his.

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The problem with that feat is it contradicts the rest of the series. Even if King Vegeta was strong enough to pull such a feat, he could not survive it. This is made clear in RoF, and SSB Vegeta couldn't even make it to Whis in time to save himself, so you can't say they quickly flew into their ships or anything. Not to mention saiyans are supposed to take over planets, not destroy them.

that's not how DC works. If a character can throw a dozen wall level attacks he is still wall level.

But when you have a character that can charge his energy source it is. Obviously a regular human will punch about the same time with each punch, as you can't charge up a punch. But if Goku is using his ki to charge up each punch to planet level, then each punch would be using up a planet level amount of ki, and he should be able instead use that ki to charge up one big multi hundred times planet level attack.

clearly can understatement since he later survived being the center of an exploding planet while out of energy and cut in half.

Frieza was not at the center of the planet, he was on the surface and he had half his face blown off. There are too many statements implying planet level to be impressive in the namek saga to ignore.

Krillin with a power level of 10,000 thought planet warping power was terrifying.

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Piccolo is hypes up Frieza with having enough power to destroy the planet if he wants to.

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Frieza tells Goku he has enough power to destroy a planet, and backs it up by saying he destroyed planet Vegeta, which seems like a weird thing to have to try and convince a guy who one shot supposedly planet level characters while much weaker.

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Goku makes fun of Frieza for being able to destroy entire planets, but not a single man, yet he never mentioned this to any of the weaker enemies he fought, and seems like a weird thing to say if a bunch of other people could destroy entire planets but not defeat Goku.

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Final form Frieza while holding back failed to one shot Namek, and even while holding back his attack should be above most low Namek tiers, and the reason he held back was because he was afraid of being caught in the explosion, yet strikes from Nail (Ginyu force tier) couldn't even phase first form Frieza. So based off that Nail's strike shouldn't even be close to planet level power.

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Near full power Frieza saying being hit by the planet explosion would weaken him.

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There are just too many examples to ignore. I'm not saying this version of Goku isn't planet level, but all his strikes aren't. This isn't just for Goku or dragon ball, most character's regular strikes aren't near the power of their signature moves.

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#48  Edited By Bossmountain

@alextheboss: "The problem with that feat is it contradicts the rest of the series. Even if King Vegeta was strong enough to pull such a feat, he could not survive it. This is made clear in RoF, and SSB Vegeta couldn't even make it to Whis in time to save himself"

Lol you think Super Saiyan blue Vegeta is planetary?! Even though it's been stated multiple times that he died due to lack of oxygen and not the explosion itself.

"But when you have a character that can charge his energy source it is. Obviously a regular human will punch about the same time with each punch, as you can't charge up a punch. But if Goku is using his ki to charge up each punch to planet level, then each punch would be using up a planet level amount of ki, and he should be able instead use that ki to charge up one big multi hundred times planet level attack."

What? Listen if a characters attack is planetary then they're planetary. The amount of times Goku can throw planet level attacks doesn't change his teir that unless he charges his ki to go beyond planet level and if that's the case and he's Beyond planetary level.

"Frieza was not at the center of the planet, he was on the surface and he had half his face blown off. There are too many statements implying planet level to be impressive in the namek saga to ignore."

He also had virtually no power left meaning his durability was literally at its lowest and he's still survived.

"Piccolo is hypes up Frieza with having enough power to destroy the planet if he wants to."

Which is true... this does not remotely implied it that's frieza's limit.

"Near full power Frieza saying being hit by the planet explosion would weaken him."

Which again is clearly an understatement as he later survives this explosion at point-blank range with virtually no power left to defend himself. After being cut in half.

"Goku makes fun of Frieza for being able to destroy entire planets, but not a single man, yet he never mentioned this to any of the weaker enemies he fought, and seems like a weird thing to say if a bunch of other people could destroy entire planets but not defeat Goku."

this is literally just a taunt. And still technically true final form Frieza is simply large planet Plus at best...so yeah.

You are aware the difference between planet-busting, planets busting plus, and large planet-busting is literally thousands of times right?

Because it's beginning to seem like you don't know this. Since if you did know this you would know that almost everything you just mentioned doesn't actually prove the characters weaker than freezer aren't planetary. Especially when characters weaker than that Frieza has shown to have planetary feats. Like anime King Vegeta or anime Vegeta.

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@bossmountain:

- I meant that he died from the vacuum of space, please show me where I said he died from the explosion itself. King Vegeta can’t breathe in space either and kid Vegeta and other saiyans were there as well so the point still stands.

-I don’t think you know what a planetary character is. A planetary character is not a character that is planetary with every move. A character is classes by their absolute strongest move.

-I know planets vary in size. Saiyan Saga Vegeta is arguably Earth sized planet level, and Frieza is large planet level, but a single punch from this Goku does not contain more power than Vegeta’s charged galic gun. If we go by linear power levels Goku would be around 3x Earth level, so 3 Earth level punches would use up all his power. Goku using a planet level strike is like when he uses dragon fist, regular punches aren’t that level until at least the Buu Saga where it is implied Buu could have destroyed the planet with a casual small ki blast.

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@alextheboss: "- I meant that he died from the vacuum of space, please show me where I said he died from the explosion itself. King Vegeta can’t breathe in space either and kid Vegeta and other saiyans were there as well so the point still stands"

How did this contradict the fact that he blew up those planets? it could have been a speed up time for all you know.

"I don’t think you know what a planetary character is. A planetary character is not a character that is planetary with every move. A character is classes by their absolute strongest move."

The f#$k are you talking. You know there was a difference between casual Planet Buster and planet buster only at peak.

"-I know planets vary in size. Saiyan Saga Vegeta is arguably Earth sized planet level, and Frieza is large planet level, but a single punch from this Goku does not contain more power than Vegeta’s charged galic gun."

probably does since recoome definitely tank attack that was comparable Vegeta's Galick Gun on Earth if not more powerful and yet a single suppress punch from Goku took him down.

" If we go by linear power levels Goku would be around 3x Earth level, so 3 Earth level punches would use up all his power. "

Good thing power levels don't work this way.