Can Gorr the God Butcher Defeat Rune King Thor?

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He didn’t even beat Regular King Thor...

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He can't, no. Thor has too much power.

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#6  Edited By JOSHN05

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@emperorzod: from what I know king Thor did have the help of young and Current Thor.

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@emperorzod: Thor killed Gorr then died of his wounds shortly after.

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Yes because Rune King Wh*re isn't impressive but just more versatile guy

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Not even close. Gorr was only slightly stronger than Old King Thor who is massively weaker than Regular Thor with the Thorforce (given their respective showings against Galactus) who was weaker than Rune King Thor.

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#12  Edited By TakenStew22

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@dimlylitlantern said:

Not even close. Gorr was only slightly stronger than Old King Thor who is massively weaker than Regular Thor with the Thorforce (given their respective showings against Galactus) who was weaker than Rune King Thor.

What?

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@takenstew22: I'm not sure how I am supposed to clear this up any further? OKT < Hungry Galactus <<<<< Regulat Galactus. Thorforce Modern Thor was able to kill an amped Galactus which would obviously put him above OKT.

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@takenstew22: I'm not sure how I am supposed to clear this up any further? OKT < Hungry Galactus <<<<< Regulat Galactus. Thorforce Modern Thor was able to kill an amped Galactus which would obviously put him above OKT.

When did this happen?

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Thor #6: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

He was able to pretty easily rip Galactus' power away from him even when Galactus tried to resist too which cements Thor as significantly higher than OKT and Gorr.

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Thor #6: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

He was able to pretty easily rip Galactus' power away from him even when Galactus tried to resist too which cements Thor as significantly higher than OKT and Gorr.

That's Thor with both the power cosmic and OF. I thought you meant something like regular OF Thor.

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@takenstew22: I included this Thor because he was able to simply yank Galactus' power out of him even in his base Odinforce form. If they were to fight, Thor would just transform into his PC form first. OKT was unable to preform a similar result even against a weaker version of Galactus while he was hungry.

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Rune King Thor wins. The Norse Ruin after he sacrificed his eye to the Well of Mimir gave the man knowledge of the past, present, and future, if so his basically restricted Omniscient, he will beat Gorr, one way or another.

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@dimlylitlantern: @ducksarenothot:@unrequited1: The ability to take away the power cosmic as OF Thor is completely irrelevant when versing Gorr, furthermore RK Thor is actually unimpressive. If you actually read the comic he isn’t even universal and that picture of him above isn’t even him as RK Thor which just adds to how little people know of him. All RK Thor did in reality was fight of a few armies with no diff then destroyed the yrddysil, ending the cycle of ragnarok and killing every asgardian in the process, it was believed TOWSAIS where also killed but they weren’t and reappeared in the next run when Thor revives every Asgardian with his Odinforce powers.Even the whole merged with the universe was a greatly exaggerated BS people just wanked of the last page were Thor looks like he’s one with the universe but it was just an artist choice and in reality it was just him closing his eyes and dying and in the next run it explains Thor didn’t make it to Valhalla but was trapped in the void of the hammer. Nothing more could even put him at galaxy level he’s barely star level unless you use some weird scaling like him killing a Mangog. Current Thor and RK Thor would get killed by Gorr

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Isn't Rune King Thor even more powerful than Cosmic King Thor?

I'm going with Thor

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#21  Edited By DimlyLitLantern

@superprimetime: That just seems like a wildly low opinion of Thor for no reason. Why exactly couldn't Thor just absorb Gorr's necrosword like he does in his actual comic? OKT killed Necro-Verse Gorr with his raw power who I believe has even less power than Modern OF Thor.

RKT isn't even universal? This just seems silly. Half of Odin's soul, Infinity, is a universe class being among Odin's other universe/multiverse class feats. OKT, who barely used the OF for 900 years, was powerful enough to destroy a universe and he is weaker than RKT. Thor is already far more powerful with the Odinforce than Odin is, so all of Odin's feats apply to him. Thor being able to defeat and contain all of Galactus' power without killing him due to the power is also enough to place him in the multiversal class. Adding rune magic to the mix makes him very clearly in this tier.

He may not have as many feats, but through sheer implication, he is far stronger than you seem to make him out to be.

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#23  Edited By SuperPrimeTime  Online

@dimlylitlantern: you do realise if Thor could absorb the necro sword the much older OK thor would have done so already, and furthermore it’s not even a form of energy so I’m not even sure what you were getting at, it’s the equivalent of saying can’t he absorb a planet, because the sword Is mass.

Also that’s not how scaling works, like I said you can’t scale the strongest version of one character from one era to another character of a different era, example mutliversal classic strange doesn’t scale below WB Hulk since hulk beat strange. It best to use the feats they have actually done and in the run in question he did nothing mutliversal let alone universal.

Furthermore Thor isn’t more powerful then a composite Odin once again your using Galactus who has clearly been nerfed by Cates to wank Thor past Odin, when classic Odin has feats like beating Seth in a mutliversal battle, and of course classic Odin scales above being like classic Strange comfortably. But you can’t then say current Odin who was being stalemated by Galactus is the same as classic Odin and therefore Thor scales above. That’s what your saying.

Im not even going to explain how Thor killing black winter and Galactus was merely becuase he used Galactus as a bomb and absorbed all his power, it wasn’t his power and that’s why no one says cosmic Thor is universal as galactus was needed to kill the black winter. Or how Thor in the RK Thor run couldn’t revive one girl but in the next run he revives all Asgardians, there is a skill difference with the odinforce and a power difference would you believe me if I told you OF Thor in the same run as RK Thor lost to an ordinary Asgardian and was saved by a random no name Asgardian wolf.

Lessons to be learnt get the context of that time period and don’t composite scale or we will have to do it for the other side for it to be fair.

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@drax5343 said:

@superprimetime: RKT scales well above LT who is an omniversal power

Lol what? Read the above man I hope your intentionally lying *insert the skeptic black man meme*

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@superprimetime: RKT >>> 5 beyonders > 3 beyonders > LT

That was called PIS. And we have no evidence that was the real LT, he has infinite weaker avatar’s, remember King Thanos killed one LT avatar but King Thanos lost to regular Thanos. Or how mephisto‘s other avatars where getting killed by Konshu while his actual form is on par with other hell lords. I wouldn’t take it too seriously. I could get toxic and say prove those 5 equal those 3, cause they could’ve been the weakest of the race, but instead I’ll just ask you see that moment for the PIS it is.

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@superprimetime: So if a feat happens you don’t agree with... it’s PIS ?

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@drax5343: Your mistaken even if I took the feat seriously it would be an outlier regardless or did you forget they exist? Furthermore based on consistency I’m more inclined to believe those beyonders were simply weaker since it was taking multiple to erase one universe and you never proved that they killed the real living tribunal similar to how regulators Thanos beat Living tribunal’s avatar but then versed the real LT alongside TOAA.

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@superprimetime: RKT is a character who only existed in one story, how can he have outliers ?

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@drax5343: Lol your right he existed in one story where he died without doing anything universal so why did you bring up the beyonders if he didn’t face them, I though you were scaling him above unworthy Thor which he should scale above him on a consistent basis but using his beyonder feat which was PIS and inconsistent is bad scaling. I was under the impression GOH were trying to wank Thor to high heavens since you put him above LT.

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@drax5343 said:

@superprimetime: RKT literally stomped 5 Beyonders in the RKT story.

No he didn’t? I finally understand, your about The Ones Who Sit Above In Shadows. They were only theorised to be beyonder’s by Loki in the following run after RK Thor died, and Thor didn’t kill them becuase Loki literally talked to them the next run.

Thor’s plan was to kill all Asgardians and the tree yddrasill stopping the infinite cycle of ragnarok starving and of energy and they aren’t Beyonders. If you did a little bit research you’d know beyonders get there power from the Beyonder realm, TOWSAIS get there power by absorbing the power created from ragnarok.

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#33  Edited By Shinju

He already got beat and he's like odin level and Rune King Thor has surpassed odin by far

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@superprimetime: Loki hypothesized they were either beyonders or something even greater.

RKT was far above them in power. He’s basically asgardian jesus. Mystical TOAA.

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@superprimetime: Loki hypothesized they were either beyonders or something even greater.

RKT was far above them in power. He’s basically asgardian jesus. Mystical TOAA.

Like I said he didn’t even kill any of them. RK Thor’s plan was to kill them or at least starve them of energy in both cases he failed since like I said they are still alive and two ragnarok will still occur as long as the Asgardians still exist, I’m not even going to mention the fact they can just create Asgardians, Thor did absolutely nothing other then commit suicide and genocide hoping it would kill high dimensional beings that can just create more Asgardians to wage ragnarok.

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@superprimetime:

you do realise if Thor could absorb the necro sword the much older OK thor would have done so already, and furthermore it’s not even a form of energy so I’m not even sure what you were getting at, it’s the equivalent of saying can’t he absorb a planet, because the sword Is mass.

Did we not read the same comic? Thor quite literally absorbs the necro sword out of Gorr and uses it against him. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

example mutliversal classic strange doesn’t scale below WB Hulk since hulk beat strange.

I mean, Hulk tricked Strange to defeat him, didn't he?

It best to use the feats they have actually done and in the run in question he did nothing mutliversal let alone universal.

If we did that, he is barely any stronger than Odin. Odin has consistent universe+ class tiering in comics from all eras you can find him in. It just seems far too unhelpful to not scale characters who directly compare to each other.

once again your using Galactus who has clearly been nerfed by Cates to wank Thor past Odin, when classic Odin has feats like beating Seth in a mutliversal battle, and of course classic Odin scales above being like classic Strange comfortably.

I'm confused? Galactus has always been above Odin by leagues.

But you can’t then say current Odin who was being stalemated by Galactus is the same as classic Odin and therefore Thor scales above. That’s what your saying.

Odin literally played dead because he could not defeat Galactus. I do not see how that is stalemating.

Im not even going to explain how Thor killing black winter and Galactus was merely becuase he used Galactus as a bomb and absorbed all his power, it wasn’t his power and that’s why no one.

Thor being able to store all of Galactus' power in himself is already a feat as similar feats of energy absorption have killed him before. Regardless, OKT was weaker than Gorr slightly. OKT was also significantly weaker than Galactus as they have fought. Current Thor fights a significantly stronger Galactus and steals his power and then kills him. Gorr would be vaporized.

Or how Thor in the RK Thor run couldn’t revive one girl but in the next run he revives all Asgardians,

He had the power for a few hours at that point.

there is a skill difference with the odinforce and a power difference

Odin has had the OF for millennia while Thor had it a few weeks. Odin is more skilled, but even then Thor consistently shows to have more power.

would you believe me if I told you OF Thor in the same run as RK Thor lost to an ordinary Asgardian and was saved by a random no name Asgardian wolf.

Yes, I would. That type of thing happens all the time in comics. Often times within the same run, a character's power seems to fluctuate greatly.

Lessons to be learnt get the context of that time period and don’t composite scale or we will have to do it for the other side for it to be fair.

For the most part, Thor's modern feats are above his classic ones minus Jason Aaron's run. Most characters are actually much stronger than their classic selves.

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#37  Edited By Drax5343

@superprimetime: He was far above them in power. They couldn’t even affect him.

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@dimlylitlantern: In regards to the scans above I thought that was just the necrosword being forced to make Thor the new host, when you said absorb I thought you meant like how he drained Galactus.

In regards to Odin he isn’t consistently universal he’s more low universal or mulit-galaxy level unless we are using classic Odin, for reference classic Loki was consistently giving classic strange a run for his money and Thor would beat him consistently so classic Odin is far above mutliversal and classic Mephisto who was on par with other classic hell lords stalemated Galactus meanwhile Strange by himself could fight Dormammu and Zom who both threatened Eternity and like I said Strange was less competent then Loki back then. So no classic Odin would godstomp Galactus, probably best you revise the classic continuity of marvel.

Anyway in regards to current Odin or how he is portrayed he has not been galaxy level in the past 7 years now let alone solar system level. Odin in recent years has lost to Mangog and Thor beat him, lost to Jane foster Thor, couldn’t rebuild the rainbow bridge, was beaten by Odin in a fit of rage in the second latest Thor run, Iron-all father was beaten by Malekith but Malekith lost to regular Thor with Mjolnir back. Thor scales to this Odin with that Odinforce as he inherits the latest Odinforce that Odin had you can’t pick and chose what era of Odinforce he receives.

Overall once again you should understand the era you seem to not understand how the classic era hierarchy was, but in regards to the era that RK Thor was in like I said same guy that lost to a regular Asgardian and isn’t skilled enough to do the same things OK Thor can do since he’s not as skilled with the OF. He has no feats to suggest he is vastly powerful then OF Thor in the Micheal run which is that impressive, that’s how unimpressive RK Thor is, it seems people are just guessing the power of the amp.

Sorry if I replied late I got tired of the constant questions.

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#39  Edited By SuperPrimeTime  Online

@drax5343 said:

@superprimetime: He was far above them in power. They couldn’t even affect him.

That’s once again not the case they never tried to harm him in the first place and they had no reason too once again Thor committed mass genoicide and suicide and it did nothing to TWOSAIS, if your enemy is about to commit suicide why would you stop him? Like I said Thor was under the pretense it was going to stop TOWSAIS but in reality they wouldve just recreated the Asgardians and they probably just forsake resurrecting later anyway.

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@superprimetime: Did he not just absorb it from him?

In regards to Odin he isn’t consistently universal he’s more low universal or mulit-galaxy level

Whenever there is a need for universal power, there is very seldom an instance in which Odin doesn't deliver which is what I would consider as consistent.

for reference classic Loki was consistently giving classic strange a run for his money

Do you have scans/issue numbers for that? I haven't actually seen the two interact much.

classic Mephisto who was on par with other classic hell lords stalemated Galactus meanwhile Strange by himself could fight Dormammu and Zom who both threatened Eternity and like I said Strange was less competent then Loki back then. So no classic Odin would godstomp Galactus, probably best you revise the classic continuity of marvel.

Classic Mephisto briefly had a skirmish with a hungry Galactus until Galactus decided he was going to eat his realm which scared the demon to death. I don't think that paints them as equals. Dr. Doom once stole the power of a Hungry Classic Galactusand was still enough to best Odin in a fight with relative ease. Galactus has even threatened to eat the entire omniverse which is not something Odin can even come close to, normally. That being said, I can't say I appreciate the condescending tone for having a different opinion.

As for the next point. You got me there. Jason Aaron really does not like the Thor mythos much, and that is out of my control. However, if Donny Cates is writing Thor to be able to fight Galactus with no problem, he must at least be using Classic Odinforcefor reference.

Thor scales to this Odin with that Odinforce as he inherits the latest Odinforce that Odin had you can’t pick and chose what era of Odinforce he receives.

Black Winter eats entire universes like Galactus eats planets. This isn't me picking and choosing, but me using prior knowledge of established power levels to understand the stakes here.

but in regards to the era that RK Thor was in like I said same guy that lost to a regular Asgardian and isn’t skilled enough to do the same things OK Thor can do since he’s not as skilled with the OF.

Do you actually have a link for this instance? I'm genuinely curious.

He has no feats to suggest he is vastly powerful then OF Thor in the Micheal run which is that impressive, that’s how unimpressive RK Thor is, it seems people are just guessing the power of the amp.

The fact that he stopped the Ragnarok cycle (with ease) which Odin spent countless lifetimes trying to stop should be a tell for how powerful he has become in comparison to Odin himself.

It really is cool. You don't have to reply immediately if you don't want to. We're all human lol.

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@superprimetime: lol your still low balling Thor the tree itself is Multiversal

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@dimlylitlantern: I’ll get the links if you want classic era was cancerous even hulk beat night crawler who beat the undying ones who beat classic strange and hulk beat nigh crawler and destroyed his infinite universe as in the universe is infinite in size.

Also I think your forgetting how he ended ragnarok, RK Thor’s answer for stopping ragnarok was causing mass genocide destriying the tree yrddrasil killing himself and all the other Asgardians until Donald Blake picked up the hammer with Thor inside his soul didn’t go to Valhalla then OF Thor revived everyone even Bor by accident.

Black winter did destroy universes like Galactus eats planets, but that’s his pure power Galactus gets stronger from eating those planets, black winter doesn’t get stronger from destroying universes, my point is black winter destroys universes overtime as we saw the tree yddrasil being destroyed slowly starting with twigs, black winter was only killed by Galactus’ slower not Thor’s, yes Thor turned galaxtus into a bomb but it was galactus’s pose at the end of the day not OF Thor.

Losing to Asgardian who finds out he can’t use the full power of Odinforce since he’s not worthy of it or Mjolnir read the dialogue

Donald Blake beating OF Thor before being killed

Classic Strange vs Classic Loki

These are all full comics from Readcomiconline and Zip comic also before you say he wasn’t worthy of the Odinforce as was stated it’s worthnoting he was never worthy or rather never had proper control of it, the OF only came out in fits of rage the entire run like when he fought captain America and was losing and then OF heat vision killed him in a fit of rage, the Asgardian who fought Thor dodged those eye beams cause he saw that fight, he actually wasn’t a bad guy he wanted to kill Thor in memory of Thor before he became a dictator that’s why he couldn’t use the OF from memory or maybe its cause he killed the avengers can’t remember he went be in time in a tie in a fixed his mistakes which is why on chapter 80 it skips to a younger Thor that becomes Rune King Thor but they are the same person.

I apologise if I was condescending, there you that should be all of the context, but it’s worthnoting if you read the last few chapters of the Thor run from the first link you’ll see Thor state Beta Ray Bull was given a piece of the Odin power which is a forgotten aspect of the Odinforce there is also the odinsource.

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#44  Edited By SuperPrimeTime  Online

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@superprimetime: lol your still low balling Thor the tree itself is Multiversal

It wasn’t at the time, like I said you should understand the era of comics, destroying the tree didn’t destroy Asgard or the nine realms or the universe it just killed the Asgardians. Everyone wanks him destroying the tree, a better feat is Odin putting out the fire on the tree yddrasil when it actually did represent the mutliverse.

Im not lowballing I just understand the context of what happened.

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Even if we take RKT with his weakest feats that we can confirm. Its still 9 universes that he destroyed as its confirmed that each of the realms is its own universe. Can't really dispute that as its on panel. Also destroyed those who sit above in shadow, who are at the very least more powerful than Odin. Who could likely defeat Gorr.

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With the explanation Loki gave on Those Who Sit In The Shadows, it’s unlikely Gorr operates on a level even relative to Rune King Thor.

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Also I think your forgetting how he ended ragnarok, RK Thor’s answer for stopping ragnarok was causing mass genocide destriying the tree yrddrasil killing himself and all the other Asgardians until Donald Blake picked up the hammer with Thor inside his soul didn’t go to Valhalla then OF Thor revived everyone even Bor by accident.

This is true. However, you must take into account that Odin himself has tried to stop Ragnarok in each life he takes part in. The One's Who Sit Above in Shadow were constantly feeding on all the god's collective genocidal battles for each of their lifetimes as well. RKT was powerful enough to make even these beings try to bargain for their lives.

Galactus consumes planets in a very similar way. He doesn't just zap and eat them as he could hypothetically do, but he has a whole machine for the process.

Regardless, Thor used his powers to strip Galactus of his. There are tons of energy absorbers in Marvel and most of them couldn't even begin to absorb a fraction of Galactus' power. The fact that OF Thor was able to do such a thing, on an amped Galactus, as Galactus was resisting is a great showing of how powerful Current Thor is.

Losing to Asgardian who finds out he can’t use the full power of Odinforce since he’s not worthy of it or Mjolnir read the dialogue

I'm now confused at the relevance of this instance? Thor had the OF stripped from him by Strange and his power dropped rapidly because of it. At first he still has enough power to defeat Hulk and Thing with a single arm and loses enough power to be pushed back by Captain America. In fact, the fact that he is about to go into "Odinsleep" and still fight against an Asgardian is actually pretty impressive. During Odinsleep, Odin becomes as vulnerable as a human.

Donald Blake beating OF Thor before being killed

I'm unclear about the relevance here as well? Blake mentions he likely absorbed some of the OF as well.

Classic Strange vs Classic Loki

This seems to be before Strange became Sourcerer Supreme from my understanding which is a pretty substantial power boost.

skips to a younger Thor that becomes Rune King Thor but they are the same person.

Aye, the same person but different levels of worthiness.

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@dimlylitlantern: In regards to doctor strange he became Sorcerer Supreme in issue 110 of strange tales.

Its also worthnoting once again that the destruction of the tree yddrasil didnt kill the TOWSAIS they appear in the next run.

This is just a guess but I think Odin just tried to end the cycle of ragnarok that didn’t involve killing every single Asgardian including himself.

I will admit I didn’t know about the strange taking awayr he Odinforce, that other Asgardian explained something completely different as you would have seen for yourself.

At least now we have narrowed down the information for a start RK Thor doesn’t scale to the TOWSAIS, two he doesn’t scale to classic Odin or Prime Odin due to having poor control over the Odinforce and not being worthy of its full power, he was only worthy of it for a small amount of time before he killed the avengers and his feats of being unable to resurrect one girl pale in comparison to resurrected of Thor And more but got to run.

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In regards to doctor strange he became Sorcerer Supreme in issue 110 of strange tales.

That was his first appearance though. The Ancient One was still the Sourcerer Supreme back then.

It is worth noting, but the power divination is still the same. These beings have countless lifetimes of god energy in their power set and they were still afraid of RKT.

This is just a guess but I think Odin just tried to end the cycle of ragnarok that didn’t involve killing every single Asgardian including himself.

Odin has the power to resurrect people from the dead does he not?

At least now we have narrowed down the information for a start RK Thor doesn’t scale to the TOWSAIS

They couldn't stop him though.

two he doesn’t scale to classic Odin or Prime Odin due to having poor control over the Odinforce and not being worthy of its full power

Again, Odin had more skill with it since he had it longer. Thor has more power though. He stopped Ragnarok a little after he knew about it while Odin was actively trying forever. He also defeats the celestial gods in a single hit then takes all of their places for a good while. The second big difference is that Thor has more of the Odinforce than Odin did. The manifestation tells Thor to become more than Odin by giving more than he did. Odin gave one eye while Thor gave two. The rune magic also gave him omniscience similar to and beyond what Odin had, so scaling him to anything Odin did should be fine.

You must also take into account that Thor bringing Asgard to Earth and letting a war that destroyed New York and Asgard also probably played a role in his lack of worthiness.

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@dimlylitlantern: Nah you spitting, okay I see your point of view. I had actually forgotten that Odin sacrificed one eye and Thor sacrificed two. The question then is how strong do you consider Odin to be during that time period he was gone for a while in that run I remember issues 50-80 possibly 90 if there if it went that far i never saw Odin, I started the run from 50. However I would say this is due to the sacrifice and not due to the Odinforce itself as Thor by feats has no good showings in that run unless you think killing the avengers with some difficulty is what a skyfather should be capable of. With this hed scale above Odin around that time who was between galaxy level and low universal so I can see him beating Gorr.

We had a long debate but yeah he should be in those low universal to universal ranges but not multiversal like everyone is claiming. But yeah definitely beats Gorr.