Can Goku beat Dark Schneider now ?

@lightingjack: Nope. DS still can win. Goku is really vulnerable to haxes. A powerful telekinetic can probably win against him.

@johnsmjs36: I am not taking about Ds vs Goku

@lightingjack: then what are talking about?

Not necessarily. In Dragonball, most hax can be countered with enough power. Examples are all over the place.

Vegeta counters Babidi's mind control that is strong enough to completely control the King of the Demon realm, Vegetto countered Buu's absorption, Goku countered Hit's Timeskip, Jiren overpowered Hit's Time Prison, ect.

Not saying that Goku just outright overpowers DS enough to do that, he doesn't. And the nature of DS hax makes outright overpowering them probably impossible. But, Goku is really not vulnerable to hax.

@redshift_bacon: In Manga, Hit's abilities don't work on anyone in his own level as told by Whis. Also, Moro was not overpowered by raw power level. And DBS mostly focuses on raw power it doesn't mean the other verse follow the same logic. Zeno has not shown the raw power but his hax still makes him a threat. Vegetto were still turned into a chocolate though. Also, can Goku bypass eternal atoms made up of thousands of seals that reform at great speed and destroy DS in three planes of existence? Beings like Goku are only useful if they face bricks like chatacters on their level. Zamasu and Moro. Even weak magician like Babidi has shown jow much a threat they are even with their low power level.

I mean thats like me judging Superman by only using his Cartoon and Film appearances. Unless stated in the OP, generally, you use the most eminent source of Canon. The thing is DBS doesn't have an official "Canon" like some other publications. So if you wan't to talk about Manga Hit, we can. But thats not the same conversation as talking about just "Hit" because the Anime was actually released BEFORE the Manga started.

Moro's hack is that he literally absorbs Ki. So of course you cant defeat a character who absorbs ki, by raising your ki. Lol?

Not disagreeing, and it isn't a rule, which is why I said that most DS hax are too much for Goku. But, there are hax that Goku has good resistances too despite not having any knowledge of magic or anything like that.

Zeno doesn't have Hax, his hax is his raw power. He literally erased 12 Universes instantly, all of the Space-Time fabric of them. Also, he canonically erased 6 Universes in the past, because there were 18 of them.

And he still abused Buuhan like a toddler due to his raw power, and Buuhan was unable to absorb him.

First question, Yes. Second question, No. And thats why I don't think Goku can beat DS. DS Still has hax that Goku can not, and likely will never be able to overcome. At the same time, that can't be used as an argument to say that "Goku is weak to hax" in general.

First, Zamasu had Immortality from a multiversal wish-dragon. Second, there was never a point where Moro abused Goku or Vegeta, while he was still Weaker than them. Third, Babidi was actually a powerful enough magician to be considered a threat by the sole person in Universe 7 responsible for creating life lol, a literal god, the Supreme Kai. And judging magic-based characters on power-level is very deceiving. I could argue that in a fist fight, Luke Cage would wreck Dr. Strange every single time. That doesn't mean anything in a real fight.

No. And Hakai doesn't kill immortals.