Can anyone beat Gold Experience Requiem?

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#101  Edited By The_Imperator

@pern said:

People who are saying being multiversal can overcome GER are greatly lowballing GER.

GER's ability doesn't cap out at universal. In fact, it even affected an acausal being (Diavolo). Acausal beings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multiversal beings. An acausal being is completely outside of time, space, reality, the universe, the multiverse, etc.

Not really, no. Acausal beings can be within the multiverse. Multiversal beings can be, and for example are in Doctor Who, beyond time, as time is a fourth (and maybe fifth) dimension. If the multiverse/universe is more than that many dimensions (temporal/spatial, not just spatial) then by definition they are beyond time. Things like Chronovores in Doctor Who are beyond time, able to alter events without altering themselves. And Chronovores are massively below other beings in Doctor Who who aren't greater than multiverse level.

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A multiverse destroying attack or a multiversal reality warping attack wouldn't do anything against a being that already operates outside of it all. Any being that operates on time are already at a disadvantage against GER. GER operates outside of time, meaning even after you hit it, GER can prevent you from ever hitting it before you even do so. So multiverse busting attacks and reality warping attacks are going to be useless against GER.

Again, you assume that being less than multiversal means you aren't acausal. Being outside of time in one universe could mean, and does in lots of settings, that you are outside of time in another universe in the setting. Using Doctor Who again, since I know it rather well, Nobody No-One is from a different universe than the main one. He changes his past without any impact on him in the "present" moment. But he is decidedly not multiversal, and only using him as an NLF lets him get to universe level power.

@pern said:

To beat GER you have to:

- Be acausal

- Be able to beat beings who can beat acausal beings

- Be unaffected by time or the lack of

- Operate outside of space, time, reality etc.

- Have infinite range, speed, and power

Alright, let's look at this list.

  • Be acausal - Chronovores from Doctor Who are outside the flow of time, so check
  • Be able to beat acausal beings/beings who can beat acausal beings - Chronovores can defeat each other
  • Be unaffected by time or lack there of - Chronovores act outside the 4th temporal dimension, so sure
  • Operate outside of space/time/reality - Where did GER do this? If it can act there, there's probably space. Regardless, the Eternals, who are equal to the Chronovores, can go into the Void, and thus Chronovores probably can to
  • Have infinite range/speed/power - This means nothing, show that GER can get to places that don't exist in the JoJo verse. Saying infinite range doesn't work, since even if the infinite range was true, it'd only apply to places in the JoJo verse itself,

Now, IDK if the Chronovore wins, I haven't finished JoJo Part 3 yet, so I haven't read about Giorno yet.

EDIT: And the Thought Robot being able to wield the story itself, and hold all of creation from the outside, should be able to do it.

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#102  Edited By pern

@the_imperator said:

@pern said:

People who are saying being multiversal can overcome GER are greatly lowballing GER.

GER's ability doesn't cap out at universal. In fact, it even affected an acausal being (Diavolo). Acausal beings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multiversal beings. An acausal being is completely outside of time, space, reality, the universe, the multiverse, etc.

Not really, no. Acausal beings can be within the multiverse. Multiversal beings can be, and for example are in Doctor Who, beyond time, as time is a fourth (and maybe fifth) dimension. If the multiverse/universe is more than that many dimensions (temporal/spatial, not just spatial) then by definition they are beyond time. Things like Chronovores in Doctor Who are beyond time, able to alter events without altering themselves. And Chronovores are massively below other beings in Doctor Who who aren't greater than multiverse level.

@pern said:

A multiverse destroying attack or a multiversal reality warping attack wouldn't do anything against a being that already operates outside of it all. Any being that operates on time are already at a disadvantage against GER. GER operates outside of time, meaning even after you hit it, GER can prevent you from ever hitting it before you even do so. So multiverse busting attacks and reality warping attacks are going to be useless against GER.

Again, you assume that being less than multiversal means you aren't acausal. Being outside of time in one universe could mean, and does in lots of settings, that you are outside of time in another universe in the setting. Using Doctor Who again, since I know it rather well, Nobody No-One is from a different universe than the main one. He changes his past without any impact on him in the "present" moment. But he is decidedly not multiversal, and only using him as an NLF lets him get to universe level power.

@pern said:

To beat GER you have to:

- Be acausal

- Be able to beat beings who can beat acausal beings

- Be unaffected by time or the lack of

- Operate outside of space, time, reality etc.

- Have infinite range, speed, and power

Alright, let's look at this list.

  • Be acausal - Chronovores from Doctor Who are outside the flow of time, so check
  • Be able to beat acausal beings/beings who can beat acausal beings - Chronovores can defeat each other
  • Be unaffected by time or lack there of - Chronovores act outside the 4th temporal dimension, so sure
  • Operate outside of space/time/reality - Where did GER do this? If it can act there, there's probably space. Regardless, the Eternals, who are equal to the Chronovores, can go into the Void, and thus Chronovores probably can to
  • Have infinite range/speed/power - This means nothing, show that GER can get to places that don't exist in the JoJo verse. Saying infinite range doesn't work, since even if the infinite range was true, it'd only apply to places in the JoJo verse itself,

Now, IDK if the Chronovore wins, I haven't finished JoJo Part 3 yet, so I haven't read about Giorno yet.

EDIT: And the Thought Robot being able to wield the story itself, and hold all of creation from the outside, should be able to do it.

That's Doctor Who. I'm sure characters like the Guardians of Time and Swimmers would be able to beat GER, but a lot of the multiversal characters listed have no way of attacking chronolocked beings. Beings like GER and Diavolo are inside the multiverse, but are unaffected by any changes to the multiverse. Also the Chronovores can only freely travel through time, that's entirely different from being where time doesn't even exist. The Swimmers are more akin to what GER and Diavolo embody.

Again time travel is not the same thing as being in non existent time. In non existent time, nothing about time and space even matter. There is no linear flow of time, so even after Giorno was killed, GER was able to reset the action before Diavolo even made his move. This wasn't time travel, just being completely above time.

Diavolo's Stand erases 10 seconds worth of time, meaning everything is erased from existence. All events, actions, people, etc. in those 10 seconds simply don't exist. This is essentially a period of non-existence. This is outside of reality and space completely. It's basically non existence.

Yes GER was able to get to places that didn't exist. It was able to operate when time itself doesn't exist. It's not just infinite speed and range, it's more like both of those things are meaningless to GER. Even with infinite speed and range, you still wouldn't be able to go to non existent places or move in those periods, so GER is above even that.

So by destroying an infinite universes, you would have infinite range and power. GER is even above that. Destroying infinite universes wouldn't reach GER who exists in a period of nothingness.

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@pern said:

@homicidalmaniac said:

@giorno_giovanna said:

@homicidalmaniac said:

@giorno_giovanna: 100% Othinus is multiversal level and White Queen is beyond 100% Othinus.GER best feat is only universe level while the two women are way above that.

Range is meaningless to GER. It's stats even say so. Being multiversal or above doesn't mean anything to it. GER is omnilocked, meaning it exists outside of everything. It was even able to affect another acausal being.

That a NFL,his best feat mainly universe level and that it.

No GER's best feat isn't universe level. GER and Diavolo were both in non existent time. Beyond the universe and beyond the multiverse. They were chronolocked, meaning outside of space and time. Multiversal power alone isn't enough to beat an acausal being. A multiversal blast wouldn't even kill Diavolo, let alone GER.

Existing outside space and time doesn't always equal being above multiverse level.Scans of multiverse blast?

Kind of does. GER and Diavolo were outside time, space, reality and everything. They were in a period of non existence. A multiverse busting attack wouldn't do anything to beings that are already in a period of non existence. Even reality warping would be useless against a being that is already outside reality. You have to show scans of your multiversal entity affecting chronolocked beings.

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@pern: Everyone of those people solo.

Akabane and Kagami exist in their own timeless dimensions. Your GER is a NLF it has no feats against logic manipulation which both Akabane and Der Kaiser are masters at. GER has never worked on beings this powerful.

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#105  Edited By pern

@loki_d said:

@pern: Everyone of those people solo.

Akabane and Kagami exist in their own timeless dimensions. Your GER is a NLF it has no feats against logic manipulation which both Akabane and Der Kaiser are masters at. GER has never worked on beings this powerful.

Akabane's ability just prevents him from dying unless he believes he can die. GER will prevent Divine Providence from ever being used in the first place. Also GER doesn't just kill the opponent, it removes them from all reality, even the reality of death.

Der Kaiser is the same thing. His attack can just hit anything, regardless of speed, but GER will prevent him from using Asclepius Constellation in the first place.

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So from the lack of counter argument.

Haruhi Suzumiya is the correct answer right?

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@pern: No you're not understanding this Der Kaiser is neither alive or dead and Akabane exists in his own dimension.

Both Akabane and Der Kaiser can manipulate logic making GER useless they are Houjustu users.

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@loki_d said:

@pern: No you're not understanding this Der Kaiser is neither alive or dead and Akabane exists in his own dimension.

Both Akabane and Der Kaiser can manipulate logic making GER useless they are Houjustu users.

You're not understanding neither of those are relevant to GER. GER was able to reach Diavolo even when he was in a period of non existence. Range is meaningless to GER. No matter where Akabane is, GER will reach him.

Der Kaiser doesn't need to be dead or alive. GER will remove him from all reality, including the reality of death.

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still Adam Warlock with the Infinity Gauntlet

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@sophia89: @serrure: How would either of them be able to do anything? IG's range is only universal and gives the user control over space and time. GER operates outside of space-time and has range that's even more than infinite. IG would do nothing to GER, while GER will ensure that Adam Warlock will get shanked by a hobo for all eternity.

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@pern: the Infinity Gauntlet has been shown to work in a completely different Universe outside of the Marvel Multiverse...

so thats incorrect right there.

Second the reality gem will help allot here... GER will cease to exist

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#113  Edited By pern

@serrure said:

@pern: the Infinity Gauntlet has been shown to work in a completely different Universe outside of the Marvel Multiverse...

so thats incorrect right there.

Second the reality gem will help allot here... GER will cease to exist

Again GER is still outside IG's range. IG can only affect a single universe. Even if it could affect a multiverse it still wouldn't reach GER. Reality Gem can remove GER from existence? GER already operates in non existence. Nice try but Infinity Gauntlet is out of its league here.

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@pern: operating out of existence still means you exist. seriously the reality gem makes so GER never happened.

BTW Adam Warlock with the IG was second only to the LT so...

yeah Adam with the IG wins 10/10

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#115  Edited By pern

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@pern: operating out of existence still means you exist. seriously the reality gem makes so GER never happened.

BTW Adam Warlock with the IG was second only to the LT so...

yeah Adam with the IG wins 10/10

GER exists outside of time, so no he couldn't do that. Adam Warlock could make it so that Giorno was never born, but GER would still be there, because its outside of time. GER would then prevent Adam Warlock from ever using the Reality Gem in the first place. All his actions and willpower will get reset to zero. He can keep using the reality gem all he wants, GER will still be there, and erase all his actions. Adam Warlock will then spend the rest of eternity getting shanked by a hobo. Fact of the matter is, GER was already removed from existence by Diavolo, yet GER was completely unaffected by getting removed from existence.

Again warping reality is useless against someone that exists outside of reality. No matter what action Adam Warlock takes, they will all be reverted to zero.

I can even make a good case for Enrico Pucci or Funny Valentine beating Adam Warlock with the IG. There simply is no chance against GER.

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#116  Edited By Loki_D

@pern: So basically GER can beat anyone is what you are saying.

GER can't exist without logic nor can it escape the bonds of logic.

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@loki_d said:

@pern: So basically GER can beat anyone is what you are saying.

GER can't exist without logic nor can it escape the bonds of logic.

I already gave a list of conditions that would have to be met to beat GER. Anyone who can meet those conditions can win, or match GER at least.

GER exists outside of logic. See its fight with Diavolo.

It's you who placed Akabane and Ban Mido into this. Those two characters are completely out of their league here. The only Get Backers character who stands a chance against GER is King of Creation Ginji, and I would still give the edge to GER.

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@pern: Encirro Maybe Valentine Hell no

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#119  Edited By pern

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@pern: Encirro Maybe Valentine Hell no

How would an Infinity Gauntlet user get past Love Train +D4C? You would have to attack through an infinite amount of universes to get past Love Train + D4C, while Infinity Gauntlet can only affect a single universe. Funny Valentine can also bring in alternate version of Adam Warlock and cube him. Even if that wouldn't work, the end result would still be a stalemate.

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@pern: You said exactly what I thought Stalemate

(You are very enjoyable to debate)

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@pern: You said exactly what I thought Stalemate

(You are very enjoyable to debate)

Thank you. You too.

Anyways the way I see it Funny Valentine can possibly kill Adam Warlock by cubing him, but Adam Warlock has no way to kill Funny Valentine, so it either ends in Valentine's win or stalemate.

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#123  Edited By Loki_D

@pern: Show proof that GER exists outside of logic.

It seems you're making these things up as we go along.

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#125  Edited By pern

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@pern: Show proof that GER exists outside of logic.

It seems you're making these things up as we go along.

Even after Diavolo killed Gio, GER stopped Diavolo from killing Gio before he even did so. It wasn't true time travel either. Logic such as before and after mean nothing to GER. After Diavolo killed Giorno, Giorno stopped Diavolo before he killed Giorno.

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#126  Edited By AssertingValor

@citizensentry: everyone knws what the source is, last I knew it wasn't an entity capable of doing battle

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@pern said:

@homicidalmaniac said:

@pern said:

@homicidalmaniac said:

@giorno_giovanna said:

@homicidalmaniac said:

@giorno_giovanna: 100% Othinus is multiversal level and White Queen is beyond 100% Othinus.GER best feat is only universe level while the two women are way above that.

Range is meaningless to GER. It's stats even say so. Being multiversal or above doesn't mean anything to it. GER is omnilocked, meaning it exists outside of everything. It was even able to affect another acausal being.

That a NFL,his best feat mainly universe level and that it.

No GER's best feat isn't universe level. GER and Diavolo were both in non existent time. Beyond the universe and beyond the multiverse. They were chronolocked, meaning outside of space and time. Multiversal power alone isn't enough to beat an acausal being. A multiversal blast wouldn't even kill Diavolo, let alone GER.

Existing outside space and time doesn't always equal being above multiverse level.Scans of multiverse blast?

Kind of does. GER and Diavolo were outside time, space, reality and everything. They were in a period of non existence. A multiverse busting attack wouldn't do anything to beings that are already in a period of non existence. Even reality warping would be useless against a being that is already outside reality. You have to show scans of your multiversal entity affecting chronolocked beings.

Dormammu,Singularity,Galactus,The Darkness entity,and others shown them.Existed outside/or before space and time(Singularity or Dormammu)or having no dimensions(Galactus),but they aren't near the level of Eternity or Lucifer Morningstar(whose each shown to have the power of creating a multiverse).Just because GER can exist outside the boundaries of reality or time,doesn't necessary mean he can take down characters like COIE Anti Monitor or Chaos King.

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@pern said:

@homicidalmaniac said:

@pern said:

@homicidalmaniac said:

@giorno_giovanna said:

@homicidalmaniac said:

@giorno_giovanna: 100% Othinus is multiversal level and White Queen is beyond 100% Othinus.GER best feat is only universe level while the two women are way above that.

Range is meaningless to GER. It's stats even say so. Being multiversal or above doesn't mean anything to it. GER is omnilocked, meaning it exists outside of everything. It was even able to affect another acausal being.

That a NFL,his best feat mainly universe level and that it.

No GER's best feat isn't universe level. GER and Diavolo were both in non existent time. Beyond the universe and beyond the multiverse. They were chronolocked, meaning outside of space and time. Multiversal power alone isn't enough to beat an acausal being. A multiversal blast wouldn't even kill Diavolo, let alone GER.

Existing outside space and time doesn't always equal being above multiverse level.Scans of multiverse blast?

Kind of does. GER and Diavolo were outside time, space, reality and everything. They were in a period of non existence. A multiverse busting attack wouldn't do anything to beings that are already in a period of non existence. Even reality warping would be useless against a being that is already outside reality. You have to show scans of your multiversal entity affecting chronolocked beings.

Dormammu,Singularity,Galactus,The Darkness entity,and others shown them.Existed outside/or before space and time(Singularity or Dormammu)or having no dimensions(Galactus),but they aren't near the level of Eternity or Lucifer Morningstar(whose each shown to have the power of creating a multiverse).Just because GER can exist outside the boundaries of reality or time,doesn't necessary mean he can take down characters like COIE Anti Monitor or Chaos King.

None of those beings have shown characteristics of being acausal or beating other acausal beings, if they get matched by non acausal beings. It's not only GER exists beyond the boundaries of reality and time, it also has above infinite range, power, and speed. An acausal being would transcend the concepts of universe or multiverse. I don't think GER would beat Lucifer Morningstar, but it would definitely beat multiversal powerhouses who aren't (or even if they are) acausal.

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#129  Edited By homicidalmaniac

@pern said:

@homicidalmaniac said:

@pern said:

@homicidalmaniac said:

@pern said:

@homicidalmaniac said:

@giorno_giovanna said:

@homicidalmaniac said:

@giorno_giovanna: 100% Othinus is multiversal level and White Queen is beyond 100% Othinus.GER best feat is only universe level while the two women are way above that.

Range is meaningless to GER. It's stats even say so. Being multiversal or above doesn't mean anything to it. GER is omnilocked, meaning it exists outside of everything. It was even able to affect another acausal being.

That a NFL,his best feat mainly universe level and that it.

No GER's best feat isn't universe level. GER and Diavolo were both in non existent time. Beyond the universe and beyond the multiverse. They were chronolocked, meaning outside of space and time. Multiversal power alone isn't enough to beat an acausal being. A multiversal blast wouldn't even kill Diavolo, let alone GER.

Existing outside space and time doesn't always equal being above multiverse level.Scans of multiverse blast?

Kind of does. GER and Diavolo were outside time, space, reality and everything. They were in a period of non existence. A multiverse busting attack wouldn't do anything to beings that are already in a period of non existence. Even reality warping would be useless against a being that is already outside reality. You have to show scans of your multiversal entity affecting chronolocked beings.

Dormammu,Singularity,Galactus,The Darkness entity,and others shown them.Existed outside/or before space and time(Singularity or Dormammu)or having no dimensions(Galactus),but they aren't near the level of Eternity or Lucifer Morningstar(whose each shown to have the power of creating a multiverse).Just because GER can exist outside the boundaries of reality or time,doesn't necessary mean he can take down characters like COIE Anti Monitor or Chaos King.

None of those beings have shown characteristics of being acausal or beating other acausal beings, if they get matched by non acausal beings. It's not only GER exists beyond the boundaries of reality and time, it also has above infinite range, power, and speed. An acausal being would transcend the concepts of universe or multiverse. I don't think GER would beat Lucifer Morningstar, but it would definitely beat multiversal powerhouses who aren't (or even if they are) acausal.

GER powers mainly lies on universal level,being outside cause and effect,time,space,or reality still always doesn't mean being above multiverse characters.Try to create a multiverse level character vs GER and see where it.Obviously,I'm not going to change your mind,so let agree to disagree.

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@pern said:

@homicidalmaniac said:

@pern said:

@homicidalmaniac said:

@pern said:

@homicidalmaniac said:

@giorno_giovanna said:

@homicidalmaniac said:

@giorno_giovanna: 100% Othinus is multiversal level and White Queen is beyond 100% Othinus.GER best feat is only universe level while the two women are way above that.

Range is meaningless to GER. It's stats even say so. Being multiversal or above doesn't mean anything to it. GER is omnilocked, meaning it exists outside of everything. It was even able to affect another acausal being.

That a NFL,his best feat mainly universe level and that it.

No GER's best feat isn't universe level. GER and Diavolo were both in non existent time. Beyond the universe and beyond the multiverse. They were chronolocked, meaning outside of space and time. Multiversal power alone isn't enough to beat an acausal being. A multiversal blast wouldn't even kill Diavolo, let alone GER.

Existing outside space and time doesn't always equal being above multiverse level.Scans of multiverse blast?

Kind of does. GER and Diavolo were outside time, space, reality and everything. They were in a period of non existence. A multiverse busting attack wouldn't do anything to beings that are already in a period of non existence. Even reality warping would be useless against a being that is already outside reality. You have to show scans of your multiversal entity affecting chronolocked beings.

Dormammu,Singularity,Galactus,The Darkness entity,and others shown them.Existed outside/or before space and time(Singularity or Dormammu)or having no dimensions(Galactus),but they aren't near the level of Eternity or Lucifer Morningstar(whose each shown to have the power of creating a multiverse).Just because GER can exist outside the boundaries of reality or time,doesn't necessary mean he can take down characters like COIE Anti Monitor or Chaos King.

None of those beings have shown characteristics of being acausal or beating other acausal beings, if they get matched by non acausal beings. It's not only GER exists beyond the boundaries of reality and time, it also has above infinite range, power, and speed. An acausal being would transcend the concepts of universe or multiverse. I don't think GER would beat Lucifer Morningstar, but it would definitely beat multiversal powerhouses who aren't (or even if they are) acausal.

GER powers mainly lies on universal level,being outside cause and effect,time,space,or reality still always doesn't mean being above multiverse characters.Try to create a multiverse level character vs GER and see where it.Obviously,I'm not going to change your mind,so let agree to disagree.

Being an acausal being means you're above causal beings period. The multiverse is still bound by space, time, and reality. GER and Diavolo were outside that, in a non existent space-time area. Affecting an acausal being is harder than affecting a multiversal being. Anti-Monitor has no answer for causality manipulation, so if an acausal being like Diavolo was powerless against GER, why would Anti-Monitor (who is far from acausal) fare any better?

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@pern: You do know that GER exists because of Logic right?

So saying GER can beat a being who manipulates logic makes no sense. GER is bounded by logic it doesn't matter if the power can exist outside of space and time it useless against Der Kaiser and Akabane.

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Funny thing is Gio is omnilocked it seems Jojo knowledge is lacking here.

Again Chronolock does not allow you to ignore the rules of fate. Fate chose Diavolo to reign supreme his predictions are 100 percent he predicted that he'd kill Gio and GER was able to ignore this and bypass it.

Again what Pern said above stop lowballing GER and again you all seem to forget that NEGATES any action and willpower you name all these supposed powerful being save for omnis yet have any of these people dealt with something on GER's level? I expect that some of them have not if not all. GER will protect Gio no matter what the scale is whether its an omniversal blast or a bullet GER is protecting Gio worst case scenario is that you can BFR Gio. Next GER is sentient it doesn't need Gio to operate also I saw Pucci here he's multiversal+ just in case no one knew how? If a universe is reset all parallel universes must be reset also. Again I grow tired of seeing this Gio downplay with this universal nonsense Fate Probability and Casualty were bypassed your move. Again stand pages don't lie.

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GER exists because of logic?

Can you show me a scan or a statement that says such cause i'm pretty sure nothing about GER is logical that's like saying Bohemian Rhapsody is logical a stand that can summon anything from fiction or make up your own character. And lol comparing Burning down the house to GER that's laughable. Implying Burning down the house has anything close to GER's effects.

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GER exists because of logic?

Can you show me a scan or a statement that says such cause i'm pretty sure nothing about GER is logical that's like saying Bohemian Rhapsody is logical a stand that can summon anything from fiction or make up your own character. And lol comparing Burning down the house to GER that's laughable. Implying Burning down the house has anything close to GER's effects.

Explain GER's ability it is logical. You want to know what is illogical? Spongebob making a campfire underwater, killing immortals, etc it is contradicting. GER is nothing like that it is bounded by logic.

And I can say the same for GER has it ever been used on beings this powerful.

I hear GER is nigh invincible so what's GER's weakness??

Also stop wanking GER

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#135  Edited By Dio_Brando

GER's weakness?

It has no weakness obviously Giorno stated he does not know the limits of GER and wanking? Stop downplaying him then saying Multiversal>GER that's some serious downplay since thats not how its powers work. Killing immortals that's not impossible Dio was immortal and the sun killed him so moot point. Lol using spongebob as logic nice try bud. And care to show us the bounding of logic that he is restricted by please?

And does Jojo have beings that powerful?

It had one fight with a guy who can erase time. In that one fight he bypassed Casualty Fate probability and time erasure.

Again do not downplay what GER can do not to mention every single stat says "NONE" so range is meaningless in that case speed is meaningless durability etc is meaningless. This is GER. It's not wank if i'm getting my info from the manga itself now I ask you to please not downplay him.

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#136  Edited By pern

@loki_d said:

@dio_brando said:

GER exists because of logic?

Can you show me a scan or a statement that says such cause i'm pretty sure nothing about GER is logical that's like saying Bohemian Rhapsody is logical a stand that can summon anything from fiction or make up your own character. And lol comparing Burning down the house to GER that's laughable. Implying Burning down the house has anything close to GER's effects.

Explain GER's ability it is logical. You want to know what is illogical? Spongebob making a campfire underwater, killing immortals, etc it is contradicting. GER is nothing like that it is bounded by logic.

And I can say the same for GER has it ever been used on beings this powerful.

I hear GER is nigh invincible so what's GER's weakness??

Also stop wanking GER

GER has beaten an acausal, chronolocked being, with causaility manipulation. That's right, someone that should have been immune to causality manipulation was still beaten by GER. Being multiversal or whatever doesn't make you above causality, so even Diavolo would be above them in this regard. If GER can beat an acausal being with causality manipulation, a multiversal powerhouse alone isn't going to cut it.

GER has no weaknesses. It solos the entire Get Backers verse.

To beat GER you have to

- Be chonolocked and able to beat other chronolocked beings

- Be above the concept of range, speed, and power

- Be acausal and able to beat other acausal beings

- Shown the ability to resist causality manipulation on the level of GER

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@pern said:

GER has beaten an acausal, chronolocked being, with causaility manipulation. That's right, someone that should have been immune to causality manipulation was still beaten by GER. Being multiversal or whatever doesn't make you above causality, so even Diavolo would be above them in this regard. If GER can beat an acausal being with causality manipulation, a multiversal powerhouse alone isn't going to cut it.

GER has no weaknesses. It solos the entire Get Backers verse.

To beat GER you have to

- Be chonolocked and able to beat other chronolocked beings

- Be above the concept of range, speed, and power

- Be acausal and able to beat other acausal beings

- Shown the ability to resist causality manipulation on the level of GER

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Logic_Manipulation

Causality Manipulation is an application of logic manipulation it is not above logic either.

Logic Manipulation> Causality Manipulation

A logic manipulator can do illogical things like beating GER by snapping their fingers.

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@loki_d said:

@pern said:

GER has beaten an acausal, chronolocked being, with causaility manipulation. That's right, someone that should have been immune to causality manipulation was still beaten by GER. Being multiversal or whatever doesn't make you above causality, so even Diavolo would be above them in this regard. If GER can beat an acausal being with causality manipulation, a multiversal powerhouse alone isn't going to cut it.

GER has no weaknesses. It solos the entire Get Backers verse.

To beat GER you have to

- Be chonolocked and able to beat other chronolocked beings

- Be above the concept of range, speed, and power

- Be acausal and able to beat other acausal beings

- Shown the ability to resist causality manipulation on the level of GER

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Logic_Manipulation

Causality Manipulation is an application of logic manipulation it is not above logic either.

Logic Manipulation> Causality Manipulation

A logic manipulator can do illogical things like beating GER by snapping their fingers.

Being an application of logic manipulation doesn't mean it's less than logic manipulation. Also causality manipulation is useless against acausal beings. What GER did to Diavolo would have been above even that, being able to affect acausal beings and whatnot.

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I'm still waiting on GER's weakness and GER itself is chronolocked Omni in my opinion but that's a different story.

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I'm still waiting on GER's weakness and GER itself is chronolocked Omni in my opinion but that's a different story.

GER has no weaknesses. It beat an acausal being with causality manipulation. Hard to find a being that can top that.

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#141  Edited By Jigen879

The problem is that we do not know the limits of GER, in the board's written range and other N / N, then we do not know much

the power of Diavolo is only in a range of 3 meters, is not universal lol

The problem is that the stand is a power of the human psyche

therefore one that power over the mind, could win Also this ger is a good defense, but he can not win against being mortal beings or who have no concept of death, such as robots, because they can not die

However Haruhi easy wins

Enrico Pucci can not do anything, his power and speeds up the time, he does get the universe to the point of destruction and recreation, but he can not create the universe as he wants, but he can intervene in person then he does not have powers magic

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What if GER fight against another GER?

*mindblown

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Bah, his power is not well known, it appeared for too little time.

However Diavolo can do his action, even if he cancels it, perhaps because he attacked Giorno with blood.

so I hypothesize that if one makes an action which clears the power GER, then Giorno can not respond and delete the action of the enemy

Others doubt

He can cancel any action automatically or only the attacks against him? Because in this case, one that destroys the planet, so he does not attack him but the planet, he could win?

however, he must kill the enemy to make him live the eternal death? in this case he could not win no one who is more powerful than a human

or simply touch the enemy with his power?

However he seems to have a perfect defense, at best but he is not as powerful in attack

my guess is this

Yuki Nagato can copy any power, so if she copies the power GER, GER tries to cancel the action, but then the GER of Yuki Nagato delete the action of GER of Giorno

power of Giorno is a psychic power so that one can erase the power he could prevent Giorno to use his power.

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  • TOAA
  • Presence
  • Grant Morrison
  • Primal Monitor
  • Great Evil Beast
  • PR-Beyonder
  • PR-Molecule Man
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This, and obviously many others.

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There are too many to counts

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I love this thread

What a world we live in where a metrosexual fifthteen year old Italian mafioso could solo most of DC and Marvel Earth at the same time

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heavenly ascension dio stomp GER and kill everyone all of you talking about.

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Anyone with equal or superior hax

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@goldchamp101: Tbh, anyone with immunity to causality manipulation, anyone who is acausal, anyone with reality warping, logic manipulation (basically anyone who can warp reality and change its laws), anyone with conceptual manipulation.

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