Can Any HUMAN Character Beat Lucifer Morningstar?

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would Constantine have a chance?

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#3  Edited By tethadam

The only person with the highest chance is Molecule Man.

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Doctor Doom.

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Emperor Doom

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Lucifer isn't above Universal when it comes to overall power, don't know why people overrate him that much.

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@all-father: the bear has been poked and the Jimmies rustled. Prepare.

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doom with beyonders power.

Molecule man.

Marquis of death (pretty sure he at least used to be).

Maybe composite strange with a bit of prep.

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I feel like the pathetically obvious answer here is Elaine Belloc

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Kurou Daijuuji and Al Azif, probably any Hadou God, Ange and Battler Ushiromiya. There are more but it gets into the "Abstracts that take the form of humans" side.

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I feel like the pathetically obvious answer here is Elaine Belloc

She is an Angel not human

His tanking a blast that can ERASE all of creation in the face puts him above any human character i know + if he can stomp sky father level beings in human form while depowerd i don't see a human with the hope of surviving him when he is in his regular state

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@olajoe1 said:
@decaf_wizard said:

I feel like the pathetically obvious answer here is Elaine Belloc

She is an Angel not human

His tanking a blast that can ERASE all of creation in the face puts him above any human character i know + if he can stomp sky father level beings in human form while depowerd i don't see a human with the hope of surviving him when he is in his regular state

She was referred to as human or half human multiple times. Genetically she is human, as she was merely an egg that was taken and grown to maturity with Micheal's powers

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doom with beyonders power.

Molecule man.

Marquis of death (pretty sure he at least used to be).

Maybe composite strange with a bit of prep.

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#14  Edited By Batvibe12

If Pre-Retcon Molecule Man is considered human, then him.

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@olajoe1: you don’t think molecule man, marquis of death, or even doom with beyonders power could survive that?

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#16  Edited By EzraArcher

Maybe some humans who got amped to God like levels.

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doom with beyonders power.

Molecule man.

Marquis of death (pretty sure he at least used to be).

Maybe composite strange with a bit of prep.

this

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Me..?

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No, there's no mortal character who can possibly beat Lucifer. Well, maybe except John Constantine if he is given enough prep, he may outsmart Lucifer.

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#20  Edited By KrleAvenger

Owen Reece.

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Fei is human and he might have a chance.

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@kingfrieza: I dont know about marquis of Death but Doom with Beyonders get Stomped effortlessly Molecule man maybe current MM who put the omniverse/multiverse in a Box has a shot and Dont forget Lucifer almost never tries to out power his opponents he has a habit of outsmarting them.

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PR Molecule Man could do it.

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PR Molecule Man could do it.

Nope he's never shown to be able to handle power on that magnitude

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Lucifer will stomp any molecule man, what did molecule man do that lucifer can't?

Lucifer tanked a creation ending blast, something molecule man can't survive.

Lucifer is also immortal and can shape reality to any infinite scale

So it's laughable anyone thinks mm who dsnt even have a greater reality power than lucifer can beat him

Lucifer already outsmarted and defeated titans who assumed omnipotence

Mm is trash compared to lucifer

Anything mm can do, lucifer can do and more

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Lucifer >>>>>>>>molecule man >>>>>tribunal

That weak Ass tribunal is probably the most overrated cosmic character ever

In fact the only reason people think mm is that strong is because he is seen as above tribunal

Living tribunal who isn't that powerful to begin with. Dude got killed by ivory Kings who couldn't even destroy the multiverse.

Tribunal also got killed by Lord chaos and master order, people who are not even multiversal

It shows you don't even have to be multiversal to beat living tribunal so mm being higher than tribunal does not put him anywhere near lucifer who can tank a multiversal ending blast. And can shape a multiverse out of the energies

Lucifer is far above weakling s like tribunal and molecule man

Heck all mm did was get beat up. His best attack wasn't even multiversal to begih with

I wonder if half the people here know crap about DC comics

No mortal especially in marvel can defeat lucifer

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#28  Edited By Stahlflamme

@lordflawlez: DC multiverse is microscopic in scale compared to marvels. What was the number of universe given again? A few dozen? So maybe ypu should do some of your own research.

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@olajoe1: He kinda has. Temporarily matching and holding his own against the PR Beyonder, who was millions of times greater than all the Abstracts combined(including the LT) is better than anything Lucifer has ever done, honestly.

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#30  Edited By Lordflawlez

@hittheassasin:

He didn't match beyonder, his attacks couldn't scratch beyonder which shows he's nowhere near beyonder level

Living tribunal got killed by attacks that's less than multiversal, lucifer is tanking multiversal ending attacks

There's a huge gap in powerlevel between tribunal and lucifer.

Do you honestly think master order and Lord chaos can kill lucifer the way they killed tribunal? Thinking that is insane

Tribunal has never been the combat type of cosmic being as everytime he tried to do anything he gets beat up or is ineffective

Heck tribunals best attack couldn't even kill korvac

Molecule man best attack is less than multiversal, lucifer is also immortal so how exactly can molecule man put him down?

Lucifer already tanked attacks higher than anything molecule man can dish out

Lucifer is also far more durable than molecule man and has superior control on reality than mm

The worst possible match up for molecule man is lucifer who can shape reality to any infinite scale

Lucifer stomps mm with half his power

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#31  Edited By Sungsam

Here, I'll create a fictional bullshit lame verse in this this thread right here, so I can jive in.....

"One upon a time there was a Human Being, who is also Omnipotent, but doesn't need to be Supernatural or Godly or Transcend any Concept to be Omnipotent. The End,"

There. I created a verse with a human omnipotent character who can beat Lucifer Morningstar... seems unfair?

Well then, why is it that people on this thread are citing supernatural multiversial+ "human" characters? Are those even actually human at this point at a power level like that? What is the definition of human to you all?

As for the OP, you are not clear as to what you mean by human. Human Human Realistic Human or Human with powers or looks like a human supernatural character??? And beat Lucifer Moringstar in a fight in what means? Sealing him or Destroying him? on equal ground with no powers? You're not clear..... just like the OP of that "Who can beat Lovecraft Gods" thread....

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@gyirin said:

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I don't think any human could beat Lucifer in a straight up fight, they would simply have to convince him not to destroy whatever it is he's came for or make an ultimatum.

I think Doom would be the only one worthy.

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#34  Edited By RR79

@kalder_ridley: Would a mutant classify as a human? I mean they are technically on the same evolutionary path, just slightly further along.

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@lordflawlez: Uh, what? Molecule Man explicitly fought and held his own against the PR Beyonder, it was literally stated and shown on screen, what are you talking about?

Living Tribunal has also performed multiple multiversal feats, such as when he was confired to be equal or superior to the IG, which,even in an incomplete form, could deflect the UN, a multiversal weapon.

Nice of you to completely leave out context. The only reason O and C could kill LT was because the Cosmic Hierachy was jumbled up and no one had their correct power, as was noted, but you seem to like to ignore.

Additionally, you have yet to provide any multiversal feats for Lucifer, tanking a Universal attack is unimpressive at the level if power we're operating at here.

Molecule Man literally and casually held a multiverse in a box, that's so far beyond anything Lucy has ever done it's not even funny.

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@rr79: depends. they can't have any amps from celestial beings. phoenix wouldn't count for example, but franklin richards would since it's all his own power

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#39  Edited By RR79

@kalder_ridley said:

@rr79: depends. they can't have any amps from celestial beings. phoenix wouldn't count for example, but franklin richards would since it's all his own power

In that case, I would say Mad Jim Jaspers would be a good candidate here. And of course while waiting for the reply someone beat me to him.

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#40 nwname  Moderator

@olajoe1: when did he tank such an attack

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Ultimate Cap.

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Boosted humans, or humans with reality warping help from others, sure :)

I would posit a suggestion with prep, but that would be too @wenjunchew of me.

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@hittheassasin:

Living tribunal was never said to be equal to the ig, stop posting crap

Lt said if they fought countless worlds would he destroyed, he wasn't sure he could win in fact it was a 50 50 chance for him as he knew he couldn't win easily if at all

It wasn't until warlock gave up the gauntlet that tribunal was able to affect it. It is still pure speculation which is more powerful

Then we see living tribunal get killed by ivory Kings who can't even destroy the multiverse, simply means u don't even need to be multiversal to kill tribunal

Lucifer on the other hand is completely immortal and can tank a creation buster so spare me that trash

How exactly can molecule man beat lucifer who can't die to begin with?

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@lordflawlez: Whatever you say. I don't care about cosmic beings much to begin with and don't know jack about Lucifer, so I really don't care to debate some arrogant douche like yourself, who will never post scans of his claims anyway. Have a good day.

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Emperor Doom

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Lucifer isn't above Universal when it comes to overall power, don't know why people overrate him that much.

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#47  Edited By kilgpmktra

@sungsam said:

Here, I'll create a fictional bullshit lame verse in this this thread right here, so I can jive in.....

"One upon a time there was a Human Being, who is also Omnipotent, but doesn't need to be Supernatural or Godly or Transcend any Concept to be Omnipotent. The End,"

There. I created a verse with a human omnipotent character who can beat Lucifer Morningstar... seems unfair?

Well then, why is it that people on this thread are citing supernatural multiversial+ "human" characters? Are those even actually human at this point at a power level like that? What is the definition of human to you all?

As for the OP, you are not clear as to what you mean by human. Human Human Realistic Human or Human with powers or looks like a human supernatural character??? And beat Lucifer Moringstar in a fight in what means? Sealing him or Destroying him? on equal ground with no powers? You're not clear..... just like the OP of that "Who can beat Lovecraft Gods" thread....

Lmao

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Erekose.

I would say he could probably fight Lucifer Morningstar, and the fight would be 50/50. It could go either way.

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Jasper, HoM Wanda, certain incarnations of Doom or Strange. Maybe Franklin Richards....lowest person to stand a chance would be him or Shaman Nate with some shenanigans.

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#50 higherpower  Moderator

Wouldn't this fall under "Can X do this"?