Can Aizen's Kyoka Suigetsu trap Kaguya?

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#1  Edited By shirso

Title says all.

Aizen has shown his Zanpakuto to Kaguya.

Kaguya wins if she realizes she is in an illusion or better yet, can dispel it.

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#2  Edited By Wanderez

She gets KSed. No one in Naruto is immune or rsistant to soul manip to the point to avoid soul fuckery. Ichigo's fodder friends resisted their soul being sucked, which is already better soul manip resistance feat than all of Naruto.

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@wanderez said:

She gets KSed. No one in Naruto is immune or rsistant to soul manip to the point to avoid soul fuckery. Ichigo's fodder friends resisted their soul being sucked, which is already better soul manip resistance feat than all of Naruto.

What are you talking about? KS ability is complete hypnosis . has nothing to do with soul manipulation which is not something aizen can do. You resist soul sucj by having strong spirit energy. Chakra= spirit+physical energy so anyone with high chakra can resist soul suck. Stop trying to downplay naruto.

OT: she might realize she's under hypnosis due to her byakugan and rinnesharigan but breaking out would require her touch the sword.

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Can she fall under it? Yeah.

But Her rinnesharingan should easily be able to break out of it

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#5  Edited By Wanderez

@son_of_mori-jin: Spirit energy in Naruto is one's mental energy, they're not talking about ghosts smh.

And Aizen, just like every captain, is a soul. And casting KS on other souls is soul manipulation, essentially, complete hypnosis on Kaguya's soul, not her physical vessel (body). And touching the sword would work if KS isnt casted by EOS Aizen only.

About realizing she's under KS, i doubt it. KS is not showing you anything different than normal at first look. So far, characters under KS only realized its influence after Aizen allowed them to do so.

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@wanderez: what KS does was stated.

nothing to do with souls.

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@arthur_morgan:

And Aizen, just like every captain, is a soul. And casting KS on other souls is soul manipulation, essentially, complete hypnosis on Kaguya's soul, not her physical vessel (body).

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It's possible. She doesn't have any concrete mind control resistance feats, but the manga implies that rinne-sharingan grants immunity to visual genjutsu.

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@wanderez: he manipulates the 5 senses.

souls that have bodies , blood and brains.

show me where it says he does anything to their souls with KS.

yes , he casts it on a soul but the soul itself is not harmed by KS or do you want to tell me souls have 5 senses?

and even if since when does kaguyas soul have 5 sense?

so casting it on her soul wont do shit.

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#10  Edited By Wanderez

@arthur_morgan:

By lore, souls in Bleach are literally dead people. They're made of reishi that doesnt exist in the real world. SS is literally the Heaven of the verse (and there is also Hell). So, yes, they're souls and they dont have a body made of matter. Normal human need their body to be converted from kishi to reishi in order to enter SS without dying first.

So, yes, KS has feats of manipulating souls' senses, which automatically is soul manipulation.

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@wanderez: cool, now show me kaguyas soul having five senses.

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She can get cut if she is caught off guard but she is definitely is breaking out of it

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#13  Edited By Wanderez

@arthur_morgan:

When a soul sheds the material body it's still encasd in a subtle body.

Think about the gift of insight or psychic ability or intuitiveness. Many humans have come to refer to this as Sixth Sense or the Third Eye. This Sixth Sense is really a soul connection to the eyes; or more specifically, the soul’s connection to the sense of sight.

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She breaks out

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KS is not better than basic genjutsu.

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#16  Edited By Anomalous

@topazzz: @goldheretic: Based on what feat could she break out of it?

@sy8000: KS is most comparable to Shisui's Kotoamatsukami. The second strongest genjutsu in the verse.

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@wanderez: what does this have anything to do with kaguya‘s soul not having five sense?

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Illusion resistance feats for Kaguya?

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@LimitlessSigil:

she has rinnegan and byakugan, plus she invented infinite tsukiyomi (planet wide tp).

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#21  Edited By LimitlessSigil

@zuriel-el said:

@LimitlessSigil:

she has rinnegan and byakugan, plus she invented infinite tsukiyomi (planet wide tp).

None of those are Illusion resistance feats? And she didn't invent Infinite Tsukuyomi

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Nope it can’t

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#23  Edited By Gilateen

No, of Course KS won’t Work on her, it’s fodder to her. She easily sees through it or just ignores it.

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@zuriel-el:

Mad?

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@zuriel-el: he will never accept his favorite characters losing, just like undre And Leo.

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@zuriel-el:

wtf makes your think byakugan helps resist mind control in any way? Also, using genjutsu =/= resisting it. I mean would you say Tayuya from sound 4 is immune to audial genjutsu? cmon now

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@zuriel-el:

wtf makes your think byakugan helps resist mind control in any way? Also, using genjutsu =/= resisting it. I mean would you say Tayuya from sound 4 is immune to audial genjutsu? cmon now

He's reaching because he knows she has no illusion resistance feats lol

100% he'll try using the sharingan argument next

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@wanderez said:

She gets KSed. No one in Naruto is immune or rsistant to soul manip to the point to avoid soul fuckery. Ichigo's fodder friends resisted their soul being sucked, which is already better soul manip resistance feat than all of Naruto.

Don't get it twisted, KS is not soul manipulation, it modifies what is perceived through any means of sensing.

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The difference in intelligence is too much for her to notice anything

A dude had to damn near recreate his soul to escape that shit. That's the only time it was ever broken, it can't be broken through any other means. Well....... the Antithesis could reverse it's power but those are the only two means......... I mean Ichibei could in theory make it powerless but that's about it. The Miracle is a contender for it's unexplainable incidents but I don't think there's anything more...... Ok Kaguya doesn't have the means to lift something like that from her soul. It can likely be broken in numerous ways but Kaguya doesn't posses half the hax for that thought. The only things she possesses will just fall under KS as even outside powerful sensory techniques will be subjugated. You don't fight sensory enslavement ability with other sensory abilities, that's just stupid, she needs some stupidass OP broken as hell hax to overcome it

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@wanderez: you dont have to.

nothing you said amounts to anything.

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@anomalous: All KS does is manipulate the senses. That is quite literally what all genjutsu do.

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Of course it would work, the question is can she break out? And I'd argue that she could.

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@sy8000 said:

@anomalous: All KS does is manipulate the senses. That is quite literally what all genjutsu do.

Genjutsu manipulates chakra in the brain. KS manipulates perception of any sense or sensory ability. Even something like reikakku, a visual prowess every soul with soul power possesses that allows them to see reiatsu even if their eyes are completely useless. Even something like pesquisa, a hollow technique that is even more advanced than regular reikaku sensing and superior to spirit ribbon sensing will be under KS. Even something like the Almighty which allows one to see every possible future like grains of sand simultaneously is useless. What is common about all these is that they're senory prowess. Byakugan, sharingan, rinnegan, every one of these have something to do with sensing, even sage sensing and the nine tails emotion sensing ability will be manipulated by Kyoka Suigetsu. There is no exception to sensing. Anything considered a sense will be manipulated.

You can't hope to overcome KS with sensory abilities, something like the hax I mentioned before which has nothing to do with perception and can lift or weaken the ritual is what it takes to escape KS. Seeing, hearing, feeling etc. is what KS acts on, ANYTHING that involves these will just get controlled

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My Lord these bleach fanboys (not fans) are literally trying to redefine KS to fit their narrative. Lmao.

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@thebalance: That sounds like some fanfic tbh. Genjutsu can do the same things KS does maybe not on the same scale but AOE =\= power. And Dojutsu hard counters Genjutsu.

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@thebalance: That sounds like some fanfic tbh. Genjutsu can do the same things KS does maybe not on the same scale but AOE =\= power. And Dojutsu hard counters Genjutsu.

Sharingan is the only Dojutsu stated to counter Genjutsu, and it specifically counters Genjutsu, no mention of TP in general.

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From what I see, no.

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Does kaguya walk as flash can run? #limitlesslogic

OT yes

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What the hell?

How is wanderez getting his "KS is soul manipulation" from? So because it was used on people are "soul" makes it a soul based technique O_O.....is Chad a soul manipulative fighter now because he can punch shinigamis?lol

And KS is basic Genjutsu lv in what it can do.

Can she fall under it? Yeah.

But Her rinnesharingan should easily be able to break out of it

I agree with this guy^^^

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One of the few times I agree with Ourmanuel.

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@wanderez: thought you were a better debater than this... @LimitlessSigil: in naruto being able to use genjutsu that powerful makes you able to resist weaker illusions of its kind (same method of propagation) , example, itachi has tsukiyomi, can you take him down with a regular visual genjutsu? and kaguya is the first person to use IT, even momoshiki COULDN'T use it... @Anomalous: those eyes see through illusions, and read whats written above... @limitlesssigil: really? I'm reaching...

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@limitlesssigil: Shairgan<Rinniegan<The fusion of both. It's like a Pokemon that evolves.

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People still desperately trying to call KS basic genjutsu level?

You guys never fail to disappoint me.

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People still desperately trying to say Genjutsu wouldn't work without chakra?

You guys never fail to disappoint the world...looking at you leo

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@leothegreatest: Cause Genjutsu does the same thing KS Does but More. So get real

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@ultimatesage: It has manipulated the senses of a soul. I dont think i can make it any more clear. If you still dont understand, you should visit a terapist.