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Please note Chakra =/= Reiryoku, and everyone in Naruto verse has little to no resistances to soul manipulation, with reiatsu crush being a passive ability that can target your opponent's soul. So can Aizen reiatsu crush all of Naruto verse? Another thing, verse equalization doesn't automatically grant you abilities that you don't have.
How will he crush the narutoverse if he can't even crush Ichigo's civilian friends in ch 410.
Exactly! People always try to use the excuse of he was toying with them but they still should have been absolutely erased from existence a TATSUKI was able to sense Aizen's power in one of his STRONGER FORMS which makes no sense as she isn't even Unseated Officer Level and Top Tier Captain Level Fighters like Kisuke and Yoruichi couldn't sense his power in one of his WEAKER FORMS!
Because that was passive RC. There is a difference between intentional and a passive just from being that strong.
Also important to note that the OP's picture is not Reiatsu crush either. Its just his natural reaitsu being bound in the area around him.
That being said, @ultimatesage (Sorry for the @ my man) and I got to the bottom of this a while ago. If you aren't at least at Aizens power level ( not who would win in a fight ), then you would likely be susceptible
UltimateSage put this at anything under Juubito, and potentially Momoshiki given how he was portrayed. I think its probably closer to anything under Juubidara, but that is just me.
How will you prove your statement? Back in Bleach ch 410, Aizen makes it clear that he intended to kill Ichigo's friends.
Why would he use his sword if he could crush them intentionally? the way I see it, his RC failed to kill them that's why he's raising his sword.Take note also that Asano manage to run.
Can't believe I am posting obvious stuff like this, but alrighty.
Here you go @requiemcross.
Can't believe I am posting obvious stuff like this, but alrighty.
Here you go@requiemcross.
So how is that related to ch 410 when Aizen failed to kill Tatsuki with his RC?
How will you prove your statement? Back in Bleach ch 410, Aizen makes it clear that he intended to kill Ichigo's friends.
Why would he use his sword if he could crush them intentionally? the way I see it, his RC failed to kill them that's why he's raising his sword.Take note also that Asano manage to run.
You want me to prove the obvious difference between the two things? Come on now guy. Literally anyone who is familiar with bleach knows the difference. I am also not even remotely being unreasonable here.
Then how can you prove that Aizen did not intentionally use his RC when he intended to kill Ichigo's friends?
As far as his sword... Well, that is one of the worst attempts at a imaginary anti-feat I have ever seen.
Then why did he not use RC to intentionally kill Tatsuki in front of him? what proof do you have that he did not even try to use it?
He could have used Kido too. Does this mean Ichigo's friends are immune to Hadou: 90, because he raised his sword?
No. Its just what he did.
How is kido related to the topic? as shown in ch 410, Aizen's RC failed. that's why he stopped using RC again. Otherwise, why did he not use a stronger RC to kill them if he could do it?
So how is that related to ch 410 when Aizen failed to kill Tatsuki with his RC?
You asked me to prove the difference between intentional and passive RC. I did that.
How will you prove your statement? Back in Bleach ch 410, Aizen makes it clear that he intended to kill Ichigo's friends.
Why would he use his sword if he could crush them intentionally? the way I see it, his RC failed to kill them that's why he's raising his sword.Take note also that Asano manage to run.
Then how can you prove that Aizen did not intentionally use his RC when he intended to kill Ichigo's friends?
By being even remotely intelligent.
Then why did he not use RC to intentionally kill Tatsuki in front of him? what proof do you have that he did not even try to use it?
Why did he not use Kido? You are asking dumb questions.
How is kido related to the topic? as shown in ch 410, Aizen's RC failed. that's why he stopped using RC again. Otherwise, why did he not use a stronger RC to kill them if he could do it?
Because its pointing out how dumb of a argument you are trying to make.
You do know that Keigo and Tatsuki have spiritual power right?
Also.... Literally the chapter before.
So how is that related to ch 410 when Aizen failed to kill Tatsuki with his RC?
You asked me to prove the difference between intentional and passive RC. I did that.
How will you prove your statement? Back in Bleach ch 410, Aizen makes it clear that he intended to kill Ichigo's friends.
Why would he use his sword if he could crush them intentionally? the way I see it, his RC failed to kill them that's why he's raising his sword.Take note also that Asano manage to run.
Then how can you prove that Aizen did not intentionally use his RC when he intended to kill Ichigo's friends?
By being even remotely intelligent.
Then why did he not use RC to intentionally kill Tatsuki in front of him? what proof do you have that he did not even try to use it?
Why did he not use Kido? You are asking dumb questions.
How is kido related to the topic? as shown in ch 410, Aizen's RC failed. that's why he stopped using RC again. Otherwise, why did he not use a stronger RC to kill them if he could do it?
Because its pointing out how dumb of a argument you are trying to make.
You do know that Keigo and Tatsuki have spiritual power right?
Also.... Literally the chapter before.
1. You asked me to prove the difference between intentional and passive RC. I did that.
And where in those scans did you prove their difference? the way I see it, there's no difference shown. they simply have the same effect.
2. By being even remotely intelligent.
In short, you have no ways to prove that Aizen did not intentionally use his RC when he intended to kill Ichigo's friends.
3. Why did he not use Kido? You are asking dumb questions.
I did not ask that question, my question is why did he not use RC to intentionally kill Tatsuki in front of him? what proof do you have that he did not even try to use it?
if you have no way to prove it, say it, no need to include unrelated topic to the point of discussion or change the question that I ask you.
4. Because its pointing out how dumb of a argument you are trying to make.
Its not a dumb question seeing as Aizen failed to kill tatsuki with his RC. Insulting the commentator won't magically prove your point correct.
You do know that Keigo and Tatsuki have spiritual power right?
So? you do know that half of chakra consist of spiritual power right? compare to those two civilians, shinobi have chakra to fight back.
Also.... Literally the chapter before.
Yeah, and in the succeeding chapters[410 and above], Aizen's RC failed to kill Tatsuki and the others.
No, Aizen cannot Reiatsu crush the Narutoverse.
Reiatsu crush has never been put to the test against other forms of energy such as Ki, Nen, Chakra, etc. We can't say that it'll work on these kinds of energies because these energies can be used to coat a user in protective aura which the Reiatsu will have to overcome in order to affect the person to begin with.
Not to mention, we know that Chakra is related to spirit in Naruto. Not only do a lot of translations translate Sakura's description of Chakra to "spirit" (although some translate it to "mental"), but Naruto characters have the ability to interact with souls as has been shown on numerous occasions. When the Edo Tensei of the Fourth War was undone, the Shinobi Alliance interacted with the souls that were ascending. Sasuke interacted with Itachi, Choza interacted with Dan, Naruto interacted with Minato, etc. etc. Naruto has also shown the ability to actually pull his own soul back to his body (as shown when he fought Nagato) in a manner strikingly similar to the Chakra tug-of-war he had with Kurama. We also have instances such as Hagoromo coming back to life literally as a ghost and the previous Hokage being able to see him and talk to him. You really cannot compare Naruto characters to ordinary Bleach fodder in this department at all. It has its fair share of spiritual feats.
And to put the nail in the coffin:
"Kuchiyose Gedou Mazou
Everything is snatched away by the Outher Path's Giant Dragon whirling about!!
Kuchiyose Mazou is the container for the Bijuu chakra, it works as an enslavement jutsu. A dragon is released from the Mazou Kuchiyose, it possess enough power to absorb the Bijuu chakra, with a mere touch ones chakra sticks too it. It's different than the normal summoning blood contract, instead the jutsu user runs the risk of having their life absorbed. Nagato successfully used this Jutsu, because due to his clan's bloodline he possessed a large amount of life energy.
One touch the chakra instantly sticks to the raging dragon."
Fourth Databook page 247
The bolded is referring to Nagato's spirit dragon which he used to defeat the Amegakure shinobi: (We can tell that it's referring to this dragon because it only makes reference to this one dragon and not the nine phantom dragons, and it also mentions that the dragon is "raging" and mentions the fact that the user runs the risk of having their life absorbed, which all describes this scene perfectly)
This means that the "souls" we see getting ripped out of those shinobi is actually also Chakra. Don't think those are souls? Look at the Human Path in action (this is confirmed to rip out souls in the databook and Manga):
The fodders' "Chakra" and Shizune's soul literally look exactly the same. That pretty much confirms that Chakra is related to soul.
How will he crush the narutoverse if he can't even crush Ichigo's civilian friends in ch 410.
Exactly! People always try to use the excuse of he was toying with them but they still should have been absolutely erased from existence a TATSUKI was able to sense Aizen's power in one of his STRONGER FORMS which makes no sense as she isn't even Unseated Officer Level and Top Tier Captain Level Fighters like Kisuke and Yoruichi couldn't sense his power in one of his WEAKER FORMS!
Yes Captain-level characters like Urahara and Isshin couldn't sense the Reiatsu of his lesser Chrysalis form, only reason why Tatsuki could sense his transcendent form is because Aizen purposely LOWERED it to allow them to be intimidated, which should have gave you the answer to this apparent "nonsensical contradiction". Aizen was surprised because even after lowering it, he still expect his Reiatsu to kill average humans at that distance, but apparently those two are more powerful than average.
I already answered half your questions and posted feats that you are still asking me to post. Something is wrong with you.
It's actually you. None of your scans proved your point of the argument and you're the one that adds unrelated topics to the argument.
A little recap, you said: "Because that was passive RC. There is a difference between intentional and a passive just from being that strong."
Again, why did he not use his RC to intentionally kill Tatsuki in front of him after failing to kill them the first time? what proof do you have that he did not use his RC intentionally? Aizen clearly stated that he intends to kill them.
How will he crush the narutoverse if he can't even crush Ichigo's civilian friends in ch 410.
Exactly! People always try to use the excuse of he was toying with them but they still should have been absolutely erased from existence a TATSUKI was able to sense Aizen's power in one of his STRONGER FORMS which makes no sense as she isn't even Unseated Officer Level and Top Tier Captain Level Fighters like Kisuke and Yoruichi couldn't sense his power in one of his WEAKER FORMS!
Yes Captain-level characters like Urahara and Isshin couldn't sense the Reiatsu of his lesser Chrysalis form, only reason why Tatsuki could sense his transcendent form is because Aizen purposely LOWERED it to allow them to be intimidated, which should have gave you the answer to this apparent "nonsensical contradiction". Aizen was surprised because even after lowering it, he still expect his Reiatsu to kill average humans at that distance, but apparently those two are more powerful than average.
None on the scans you provided states that Aizen purposely lowered his transcendent form in order for Tatsuki and the others to sense him and be intimidated.
How will he crush the narutoverse if he can't even crush Ichigo's civilian friends in ch 410.
Exactly! People always try to use the excuse of he was toying with them but they still should have been absolutely erased from existence a TATSUKI was able to sense Aizen's power in one of his STRONGER FORMS which makes no sense as she isn't even Unseated Officer Level and Top Tier Captain Level Fighters like Kisuke and Yoruichi couldn't sense his power in one of his WEAKER FORMS!
Yes Captain-level characters like Urahara and Isshin couldn't sense the Reiatsu of his lesser Chrysalis form, only reason why Tatsuki could sense his transcendent form is because Aizen purposely LOWERED it to allow them to be intimidated, which should have gave you the answer to this apparent "nonsensical contradiction". Aizen was surprised because even after lowering it, he still expect his Reiatsu to kill average humans at that distance, but apparently those two are more powerful than average.
None on the scans you provided states that Aizen purposely lowered his transcendent form in order for Tatsuki and the others to sense him and be intimidated.
Unless you believe that Tatsuki has greater reiatsu than Urahara and Isshin, I don't see any other explanation how she can sense transcendent Aizen but the captain-class duo couldn't sense a lesser form. When Aizen didn't lower his Reiatsu he couldn't be sensed by the passer-by hence killing him.
How will he crush the narutoverse if he can't even crush Ichigo's civilian friends in ch 410.
Exactly! People always try to use the excuse of he was toying with them but they still should have been absolutely erased from existence a TATSUKI was able to sense Aizen's power in one of his STRONGER FORMS which makes no sense as she isn't even Unseated Officer Level and Top Tier Captain Level Fighters like Kisuke and Yoruichi couldn't sense his power in one of his WEAKER FORMS!
Yes Captain-level characters like Urahara and Isshin couldn't sense the Reiatsu of his lesser Chrysalis form, only reason why Tatsuki could sense his transcendent form is because Aizen purposely LOWERED it to allow them to be intimidated, which should have gave you the answer to this apparent "nonsensical contradiction". Aizen was surprised because even after lowering it, he still expect his Reiatsu to kill average humans at that distance, but apparently those two are more powerful than average.
None on the scans you provided states that Aizen purposely lowered his transcendent form in order for Tatsuki and the others to sense him and be intimidated.
Unless you believe that Tatsuki has greater reiatsu than Urahara and Isshin, I don't see any other explanation how she can sense transcendent Aizen but the captain-class duo couldn't sense a lesser form. When Aizen didn't lower his Reiatsu he couldn't be sensed by the passer-by hence killing him.
How is that related in Aizen failing to kill Tatsuki and the others using his own RC?
How will he crush the narutoverse if he can't even crush Ichigo's civilian friends in ch 410.
Exactly! People always try to use the excuse of he was toying with them but they still should have been absolutely erased from existence a TATSUKI was able to sense Aizen's power in one of his STRONGER FORMS which makes no sense as she isn't even Unseated Officer Level and Top Tier Captain Level Fighters like Kisuke and Yoruichi couldn't sense his power in one of his WEAKER FORMS!
Yes Captain-level characters like Urahara and Isshin couldn't sense the Reiatsu of his lesser Chrysalis form, only reason why Tatsuki could sense his transcendent form is because Aizen purposely LOWERED it to allow them to be intimidated, which should have gave you the answer to this apparent "nonsensical contradiction". Aizen was surprised because even after lowering it, he still expect his Reiatsu to kill average humans at that distance, but apparently those two are more powerful than average.
None on the scans you provided states that Aizen purposely lowered his transcendent form in order for Tatsuki and the others to sense him and be intimidated.
Unless you believe that Tatsuki has greater reiatsu than Urahara and Isshin, I don't see any other explanation how she can sense transcendent Aizen but the captain-class duo couldn't sense a lesser form. When Aizen didn't lower his Reiatsu he couldn't be sensed by the passer-by hence killing him.
How is that related in Aizen failing to kill Tatsuki and the others using his own RC?
Aizen having his Reiatsu purposely lowered to human-sensable level and Tatsuki having greater Reiatsu than average human are the reasons why they didn't die from soul crush.
How will he crush the narutoverse if he can't even crush Ichigo's civilian friends in ch 410.
Exactly! People always try to use the excuse of he was toying with them but they still should have been absolutely erased from existence a TATSUKI was able to sense Aizen's power in one of his STRONGER FORMS which makes no sense as she isn't even Unseated Officer Level and Top Tier Captain Level Fighters like Kisuke and Yoruichi couldn't sense his power in one of his WEAKER FORMS!
Yes Captain-level characters like Urahara and Isshin couldn't sense the Reiatsu of his lesser Chrysalis form, only reason why Tatsuki could sense his transcendent form is because Aizen purposely LOWERED it to allow them to be intimidated, which should have gave you the answer to this apparent "nonsensical contradiction". Aizen was surprised because even after lowering it, he still expect his Reiatsu to kill average humans at that distance, but apparently those two are more powerful than average.
None on the scans you provided states that Aizen purposely lowered his transcendent form in order for Tatsuki and the others to sense him and be intimidated.
Unless you believe that Tatsuki has greater reiatsu than Urahara and Isshin, I don't see any other explanation how she can sense transcendent Aizen but the captain-class duo couldn't sense a lesser form. When Aizen didn't lower his Reiatsu he couldn't be sensed by the passer-by hence killing him.
How is that related in Aizen failing to kill Tatsuki and the others using his own RC?
Aizen having his Reiatsu purposely lowered to human-sensable level and Tatsuki having greater Reiatsu than average human are the reasons why they didn't die from soul crush.
Again, None on the scans you provided states that Aizen purposely lowered his transcendent form in order for Tatsuki and the others to sense him and be intimidated. Aizen actually intends to kill them.
How will he crush the narutoverse if he can't even crush Ichigo's civilian friends in ch 410.
Exactly! People always try to use the excuse of he was toying with them but they still should have been absolutely erased from existence a TATSUKI was able to sense Aizen's power in one of his STRONGER FORMS which makes no sense as she isn't even Unseated Officer Level and Top Tier Captain Level Fighters like Kisuke and Yoruichi couldn't sense his power in one of his WEAKER FORMS!
Yes Captain-level characters like Urahara and Isshin couldn't sense the Reiatsu of his lesser Chrysalis form, only reason why Tatsuki could sense his transcendent form is because Aizen purposely LOWERED it to allow them to be intimidated, which should have gave you the answer to this apparent "nonsensical contradiction". Aizen was surprised because even after lowering it, he still expect his Reiatsu to kill average humans at that distance, but apparently those two are more powerful than average.
None on the scans you provided states that Aizen purposely lowered his transcendent form in order for Tatsuki and the others to sense him and be intimidated.
Unless you believe that Tatsuki has greater reiatsu than Urahara and Isshin, I don't see any other explanation how she can sense transcendent Aizen but the captain-class duo couldn't sense a lesser form. When Aizen didn't lower his Reiatsu he couldn't be sensed by the passer-by hence killing him.
How is that related in Aizen failing to kill Tatsuki and the others using his own RC?
Aizen having his Reiatsu purposely lowered to human-sensable level and Tatsuki having greater Reiatsu than average human are the reasons why they didn't die from soul crush.
Again, None on the scans you provided states that Aizen purposely lowered his transcendent form in order for Tatsuki and the others to sense him and be intimidated. Aizen actually intends to kill them.
1. The fact that Tatsuki could sense his Reiatsu/intimated is IN ITSELF proof that Aizen lowered his Reiatsu. Because his lesser form couldn't be sensed by captain-class characters. What do you not understand?
2. Yes he intends to kill them, but he could do that even in this lowered state if he is close enough, as he said any human who comes into contact with him will be erased. That was why he walked towards them intending to kill them without raising his Reiatsu.
How will he crush the narutoverse if he can't even crush Ichigo's civilian friends in ch 410.
Exactly! People always try to use the excuse of he was toying with them but they still should have been absolutely erased from existence a TATSUKI was able to sense Aizen's power in one of his STRONGER FORMS which makes no sense as she isn't even Unseated Officer Level and Top Tier Captain Level Fighters like Kisuke and Yoruichi couldn't sense his power in one of his WEAKER FORMS!
Yes Captain-level characters like Urahara and Isshin couldn't sense the Reiatsu of his lesser Chrysalis form, only reason why Tatsuki could sense his transcendent form is because Aizen purposely LOWERED it to allow them to be intimidated, which should have gave you the answer to this apparent "nonsensical contradiction". Aizen was surprised because even after lowering it, he still expect his Reiatsu to kill average humans at that distance, but apparently those two are more powerful than average.
None on the scans you provided states that Aizen purposely lowered his transcendent form in order for Tatsuki and the others to sense him and be intimidated.
Unless you believe that Tatsuki has greater reiatsu than Urahara and Isshin, I don't see any other explanation how she can sense transcendent Aizen but the captain-class duo couldn't sense a lesser form. When Aizen didn't lower his Reiatsu he couldn't be sensed by the passer-by hence killing him.
How is that related in Aizen failing to kill Tatsuki and the others using his own RC?
Aizen having his Reiatsu purposely lowered to human-sensable level and Tatsuki having greater Reiatsu than average human are the reasons why they didn't die from soul crush.
Again, None on the scans you provided states that Aizen purposely lowered his transcendent form in order for Tatsuki and the others to sense him and be intimidated. Aizen actually intends to kill them.
1. The fact that Tatsuki could sense his Reiatsu/intimated is IN ITSELF proof that Aizen lowered his Reiatsu. Because his lesser form couldn't be sensed by captain-class characters. What do you not understand?
2. Yes he intends to kill them, but he could do that even in this lowered state if he is close enough, as he said any human who comes into contact with him will be erased. That was why he walked towards them intending to kill them without raising his Reiatsu.
1. No, that's only your own assumption since it was not confirmed in the manga. It was never stated that Aizen purposely lowered his transcendent form in order for Tatsuki and the others to sense him and be intimidated.
2. Another unverified assumption. It was never stated that Aizen intends to kill them without raising his own Reiatsu. In fact, the chapter shows how he failed to kill them using his own Soul Crash and proceeds to use his own sword to kill them.
How will he crush the narutoverse if he can't even crush Ichigo's civilian friends in ch 410.
Exactly! People always try to use the excuse of he was toying with them but they still should have been absolutely erased from existence a TATSUKI was able to sense Aizen's power in one of his STRONGER FORMS which makes no sense as she isn't even Unseated Officer Level and Top Tier Captain Level Fighters like Kisuke and Yoruichi couldn't sense his power in one of his WEAKER FORMS!
Yes Captain-level characters like Urahara and Isshin couldn't sense the Reiatsu of his lesser Chrysalis form, only reason why Tatsuki could sense his transcendent form is because Aizen purposely LOWERED it to allow them to be intimidated, which should have gave you the answer to this apparent "nonsensical contradiction". Aizen was surprised because even after lowering it, he still expect his Reiatsu to kill average humans at that distance, but apparently those two are more powerful than average.
None on the scans you provided states that Aizen purposely lowered his transcendent form in order for Tatsuki and the others to sense him and be intimidated.
Unless you believe that Tatsuki has greater reiatsu than Urahara and Isshin, I don't see any other explanation how she can sense transcendent Aizen but the captain-class duo couldn't sense a lesser form. When Aizen didn't lower his Reiatsu he couldn't be sensed by the passer-by hence killing him.
How is that related in Aizen failing to kill Tatsuki and the others using his own RC?
Aizen having his Reiatsu purposely lowered to human-sensable level and Tatsuki having greater Reiatsu than average human are the reasons why they didn't die from soul crush.
Again, None on the scans you provided states that Aizen purposely lowered his transcendent form in order for Tatsuki and the others to sense him and be intimidated. Aizen actually intends to kill them.
1. The fact that Tatsuki could sense his Reiatsu/intimated is IN ITSELF proof that Aizen lowered his Reiatsu. Because his lesser form couldn't be sensed by captain-class characters. What do you not understand?
2. Yes he intends to kill them, but he could do that even in this lowered state if he is close enough, as he said any human who comes into contact with him will be erased. That was why he walked towards them intending to kill them without raising his Reiatsu.
1. No, that's only your own assumption since it was not confirmed in the manga. It was never stated that Aizen purposely lowered his transcendent form in order for Tatsuki and the others to sense him and be intimidated.
2. Another unverified assumption. It was never stated that Aizen intends to kill them without raising his own Reiatsu. In fact, the chapter shows how he failed to kill them using his own Soul Crash and proceeds to use his own sword to kill them.
1. No it's not directly stated, but that doesn't make it an assumption because it is a logical deduction. If you don't accept it, you come and explain how Tatsuki could sense the Reiatsu of a form greater than the form captain-levels couldn't sense. If you can't come up with an alternative explanation, accept the logical consequence that Aizen must have lowered his Reiatsu.
2. You realise I can play the same game that whatever you just said are unverified assumptions. Neither of us can prove what Aizen was planning to do, and your "raise sword" scan doesn't prove anything because the next chapter shows that he isn't going to slash them, and neither did he directly state he was going to either (which by your logic makes whatever you said also an "assumption"). But what we do know for a fact is that Aizen lowered his Reiatsu (see point 1), and that's good enough. Whatever point you are trying to make here about Aizen can't kill them with Soul Crush simply because he raised his sword are automatically overruled by what I said in Point 1 because what I said are undeniable facts which are infinitely less assumptious than your "raise sword" argument.
Bleach is still irrelevant nowadays there’s your answer
What is Bleach? Some new marvel movie ?
@requiemcross: aizen did lower his reastu the fact that a human could sense him is enough
Humans and shimigami could only sense aizen if he lowered his power.
Base aizen could soul crush grimmjow with a glance
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