Cal Kestis (Fallen Order) vs Kyle Katarn (Jedi Outcast)

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Cal Kestis

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-Both fully upgraded in force abilities

-Lightsabers and force abilities only

-Round 1: Morals on

-Round 2: Bloodlusted

-Round 3: Both team up to fight Sith Galan Marek

Who wins this?

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Kyle Katarn wins

Round 3, Sith Starkiller stomps

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If beating the inquisitors and getting ragdolled by Vader is the best Virgin Kestis is capable of, Chad Katarn mercilessly stomps him. Then he proceeds to stomp Galen.

Using neophyte Katarn from Dark Forces: Jedi Knight would make for a better fight.

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#5  Edited By Reddsevil34

@the_wspanialy: do you know how powerful Vader was in that game? It made sense why Cal couldn't really beat him.

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@reddsevil34: Besides Vader, Cal got ragdolled by another Jedi Master in Malicos and was gonna die if Merrin didn't save him from being crushed.

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#9  Edited By Co-Boss

@reddsevil34: he beat him with the help of a night sister, half way through the fight cal gets forced grabbed and was about to be killed when he is saved by Merrin. The in game guide even states that you would have lost if you didn’t fight him with merrin

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Kyle beats Kestis easily, as a warm up, then goes on to soundly beat Merek in a decent fight.

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@co-boss: I see. What are Kyle's feats compared to Cal's?

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#12  Edited By Wolfrazer  Online

@reddsevil34: Let's see.

1. Former Stormtrooper Officer(Legends) graduating in the top 10% of his class, also earning the Medal of Valor.

2. Defeated Kell Dragons with nothing but his bare hands.

3. Defeated Rahm Moc who was utilizing a prototype Phase 3 Dark Trooper set of armor.

4. The Force is strong in his family.

5. Fought Jerec and his band of Dark Jedi with minimal Jedi training under the ghost of Qu Rahn(Jedi Master), rest relying on his military training.

6. Later on after re-establishing his Force connection during Jedi Outcast, he fought against both Rebon and Shadowtroopers, both of which were trained by Desann who was trained at the Jedi Praxeum. The latter were also former trained Stormtroopers who had cortosis armor and were greater in combat/skill than the Reborn.

These enemies also being able to fight Luke's Academy students, who in Outcast display great agility and Force prowess, utilizing The Force in mid-combat pretty well. The Reborn and Shadowtroopers being able to do the same. The latter also able to use Force Lighting.

7. Kyle then after fighting through Stormtroopers, Reborn and Shadowtroopers at the Jedi Academy later on, goes to fight Desann, who was a powerful Dark Jedi and even Luke warned him that he was a far greater threat now that he had been to the Valley of the Jedi.

This is all really a nutshell off the top of my head, I'm sure I'm missing a few things and of course the scaling and the like.

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@reddsevil34: Nope, I haven't paid attention to Disney SW in quite some time honestly, tried getting into it, just couldn't.

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@wolfrazer: I don't know if Cal is really a part of Disney.

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@wolfrazer: I don't really have Fallen Order. Mainly because Fallen Order doesn't have new game plus.

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K Double pretty much shits on him.

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Kyle stomps.

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Kyle doesn't really impress me, an average jedi knight level. Whoever may win Marek still makes meatballs out of both.

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#25 Wolfrazer  Online

I still gotta give it to Katarn.

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Katarn stomps. Even Kyle as he was when he beat Jerec should win; by the time of Jedi Outcast, he is far superior.

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@reddsevil34: “know any of Cal's feats?”

I’ll list it like Wolfrazer did.

1. Able to defeat different kinds of Stormtroopers easily

2. Able to defeat all types of Purge Troopers that I believe were trained by the Inquisitors

3. Able to defeat Nightbrothers on Dathomir

4. Held his own in a duel with a former Jedi Master who had turned to the dark side on the dark side nexus of Dathomir and who also proved to be superior to all of the Zabrak men in Dathomir as he was their leader

5. Defeated the Ninth Sister who was a fully fledged Jedi Knight before becoming an Inquisitor

6. Defeated the Second Sister twice, one time in a few moves and again when she was incredibly pissed

7. Defeated the Gorgara

And....that’s his most impressive feats. There’s others like him killing various creatures and animals but those don’t really count towards lightsaber to lightsaber dueling.

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Kyle Katarn defeated Jerec when he had the power of the Valley of the Jedi. Jerec was so strong he was able to paralyze a jedi master with the wave of his hand and then kill him.

Katarn was also able to beat 7 dark jedi consecutively.

These are better feats than Kestis could ever hope to achieve.

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@thevivas: those are pretty impressive feats for a trainee padawan though

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#34 Wolfrazer  Online

Still Katarn.

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#35 Mo_Ali  Online

Still cal

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@jedixman: Not even necessarily then tbh. Canon-Legends disparity is so massive that literally any force-sensitive iteration of Kyle should stomp.

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katarn

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Kyle slaughters him

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#41  Edited By Rackhir

Kyle Katarn is the battlemaster of the New Jedi Order meaning he has mastered all seven dueling forms, and he is one of the Jedi Masters working directly under Luke Skywalker. Who has faced Darth Caedus in combat, and survived. The same Darth Caedus that was comparable to Luke Skywalker. At a point where Luke Skywalker could fodderize Darth Vader, and could defeat the reborn Darth Sidious with moderate difficulty.

Besides the better accolades, better experience, mastery of all dueling forms, and better showings against more powerful opponents?

Kyle Katarn is also a master of both sides of the force, and has a wider arsenal at his disposal.

This ends up kind of like when Cal Kestis meets Darth Vader except a whole lot worse. There is no plot armor saving him this time.

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#42  Edited By Reddsevil34

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@wolfrazer:

7. Kyle then after fighting through Stormtroopers, Reborn and Shadowtroopers at the Jedi Academy later on, goes to fight Desann, who was a powerful Dark Jedi and even Luke warned him that he was a far greater threat now that he had been to the Valley of the Jedi.

Did Katarn straight up beat Desann in this final fight? Or were there any extenuating circumstances present (or did he even win at all)? Haven't played the game nor do I have much knowledge on it.

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#44 Wolfrazer  Online

@nfactor1995: He straight up beat him.

In the end, Kyle chased the Dark Jedi to the temples of Luke's Jedi academy on Yavin 4, where he and Desann engaged in furious lightsaber battle for a final time. Only Kyle emerged alive from the conflict.

—Wizards of the Coast: Outcasts and Megalomaniacs.

From Desann's RT.

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Kyle fodderizes Cal... Kyle would straight up beat Marek mid diff.

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^ What feats does Kyle have to beat Marek?

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^ What feats does Kyle have to beat Marek?

Kyle Katarn had a good showing against Darth Caedus. Who is almost Luke Skywalker's equal circa the NJO era.

Kyle Katarn also beat Jerec as early on as Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II. Who was noted to rival Darth Vader. Keep in mind that is Kyle Katarn at his weakest after just learning how to use the force. In his prime Kyle Katarn is one of the strongest members of the NJO, and one of the few to survive a confrontation with Darth Caedus.

He also beat Desann. Who held his own against Luke Skywalker in Jedi Outcast.

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#49 Wolfrazer  Online

@rackhir: This is only Outcast Kyle, his other feats post Outcast don't count here. Not that he really needs them anyway.

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@rackhir: This is only Outcast Kyle, his other feats post Outcast don't count here. Not that he really needs them anyway.

Then his best feat is beating Desann. Who was able to give Luke Skywalker a good fight around that time. Luke Skywalker still wasn't in his prime but that was two years after Dark Empire IIRC. So, Luke Skywalker had trained under the reborn Darth Sidious and with some help from Leia defeated him.