That's not impressive. Punces from Kurse were literally shaking the ground.
And Superman's bullrushes were cratering the ground.
That didn't crater the ground, besides, Thor already does that and he got absolutely god stomped by Kurse.
Thor only ever did that with Mjolnir, which he didn't use against Kurse outside of throwing it, which is nowhere near actually using it as a swinging object.
That's not impressive. Punces from Kurse were literally shaking the ground.
And Superman's bullrushes were cratering the ground.
That didn't crater the ground, besides, Thor already does that and he got absolutely god stomped by Kurse.
Thor only ever did that with Mjolnir, which he didn't use against Kurse outside of throwing it, which is nowhere near actually using it as a swinging object.
Superman has never cratered the ground with punches, ever. Not on one occaision. Punches from Nam-Ek did very little to the ground below their feet, meanwhile Kurse were shaking the ground as he struck Thor. There's a huge difference in strength here.
That's not impressive. Punces from Kurse were literally shaking the ground.
And Superman's bullrushes were cratering the ground.
That didn't crater the ground, besides, Thor already does that and he got absolutely god stomped by Kurse.
Thor only ever did that with Mjolnir, which he didn't use against Kurse outside of throwing it, which is nowhere near actually using it as a swinging object.
Superman has never cratered the ground with punches, ever. Not on one occaision. Punches from Nam-Ek did very little to the ground below their feet, meanwhile Kurse were shaking the ground as he struck Thor. There's a huge difference in strength here.
First off, since when is shaking the ground impressive, anyway? Bombs can do that, and Superman is an expert in no selling bombs.
Superman's bullrush clashed with Zod's to accidentally crater the ground, and later to do the same to metal, which is >> rock. Before that, Superman, while nerfed, destroyed a skyscraper-sized object made of an impossibly durable metal. Doomsday's punch overpowered Superman's bullrush, and Superman was perfectly fine after taking those same punches, so unless you legitimately believe Kurse can do more than someone who hits hard enough to destroy skyscrapers, he isn't putting Superman down.
This all ignoring the obnoxious speed advantage. Superman was keeping pace with Zod in a clash that created multiple supersonic booms. If Kurse fought Clark, he'd never land a hit, especially since Superman can literally replicate what he did to Namek, making Kurse groggy before dragging him into the air and punching him. Especially since Superman can do that as many times as he needs to. Or just drag him to space.
Also, Thanos never shook the ground either, but TIH Hulk did, and Abomination is > TIH Hulk. Thanos is superior to Thor. So is Abomination superior to Thanos and Thor?
That's not impressive. Punces from Kurse were literally shaking the ground.
And Superman's bullrushes were cratering the ground.
That didn't crater the ground, besides, Thor already does that and he got absolutely god stomped by Kurse.
Thor only ever did that with Mjolnir, which he didn't use against Kurse outside of throwing it, which is nowhere near actually using it as a swinging object.
Superman has never cratered the ground with punches, ever. Not on one occaision. Punches from Nam-Ek did very little to the ground below their feet, meanwhile Kurse were shaking the ground as he struck Thor. There's a huge difference in strength here.
First off, since when is shaking the ground impressive, anyway? Bombs can do that, and Superman is an expert in no selling bombs.
Superman's bullrush clashed with Zod's to accidentally crater the ground, and later to do the same to metal, which is >> rock. Before that, Superman, while nerfed, destroyed a skyscraper-sized object made of an impossibly durable metal. Doomsday's punch overpowered Superman's bullrush, and Superman was perfectly fine after taking those same punches, so unless you legitimately believe Kurse can do more than someone who hits hard enough to destroy skyscrapers, he isn't putting Superman down.
This all ignoring the obnoxious speed advantage. Superman was keeping pace with Zod in a clash that created multiple supersonic booms. If Kurse fought Clark, he'd never land a hit, especially since Superman can literally replicate what he did to Namek, making Kurse groggy before dragging him into the air and punching him. Especially since Superman can do that as many times as he needs to. Or just drag him to space.
Also, Thanos never shook the ground either, but TIH Hulk did, and Abomination is > TIH Hulk. Thanos is superior to Thor. So is Abomination superior to Thanos and Thor?
Shaking the ground is impressive because it shows the amount of force behind their blows. Superman can be as durable as he wants, but this has no correlation towards his strength-level. The crater that Zod and Superman created into the side of the building was the result of the combined for of their crashing into one another and the force and speed at which they were flying it, it was not the result of their strength alone, so it cannot be used.
Superman's punches has never destroyed a skyscraper, besides the Hulkbuster and Hulk were doing the same thing, so it doesn't really matter because Thor is above both of them.
Thor has moved fast enough to appear as a blur to the audience, and he has managed to deflect laser beams that were traveling as fast as high calibre bullets, yet he couldn't beat Kurse. Obviously Kurse has the reactions necessary to react to Superman, and he also has the strength necessary to quickly defeat him.
We know that Thanos is above Hulk, he straight beat him, so this reasoning can be dismissed.
@hulkbusterx9: Surtur no sold a mountain busting shockwave, so Hulk's bodyslam must been mountain to multi mountain level. Even disregarding that, Surtur weighs millions to billions of tons, just moving him is a great feat.
Not saying Hulk is casually putting out mountain level hits, but he's capable of it with a lot of momentum
@hulkbusterx9: Surtur no sold a mountain busting shockwave, so Hulk's bodyslam must been mountain to multi mountain level. Even disregarding that, Surtur weighs millions to billions of tons, just moving him is a great feat.
Not saying Hulk is casually putting out mountain level hits, but he's capable of it with a lot of momentum
Hulk isn't a mountain buster. Just like how Superman doesn't have black hole level durability. If he can stagger Surtur how did he get over powered by just his finder tips?
@hulkbusterx9: If he can hurt a mountain+ being, then he is dishing out mountain+ hits. Hulk (with momentum) is capable of moving his mass but isn't actually stronger than Surtur. Same as how Spider-Man can stagger Thanos (because he only weighs 600lb) but can't overpower him
@hulkbusterx9: If he can hurt a mountain+ being, then he is dishing out mountain+ hits. Hulk (with momentum) is capable of moving his mass but isn't actually stronger than Surtur. Same as how Spider-Man can stagger Thanos (because he only weighs 600lb) but can't overpower him
m8, you're literally saying Hulk can bust a mountain by jumping on it. Do you hear how ridiculous that sounds?
@hulkbusterx9: No, I'm saying he can hurt beings with mountain+ durability because Surtur nosold a mountain level shockwave and Hulk staggered him with a jump slam. Same logic with DCEU Doomsday hurting nuke level beings but being unable to one shot buildings with a punch
@hulkbusterx9: No, I'm saying he can hurt beings with mountain+ durability because Surtur nosold a mountain level shockwave and Hulk staggered him with a jump slam. Same logic with DCEU Doomsday hurting nuke level beings but being unable to one shot buildings with a punch
Hulk Bodyslam > Mountain busting shockwave
So you're saying Hulk > multi mountain busting attack? So Thanos > Hulk> mountain busting attack? This is utterly insane. Almost as bad as Supes being planet level via statements.
It's not even a statement lol it happens on screen. Hulk rocked a mountain sized being who no sold a mountain busting shockwave.
You're denying the feat just because it's not how you perceive the characters' power levels to be, but it's fairly consistent with the other high ends of the verse
Thor get's a light knockout from an exploding landmass
On paper, a lot of high ends sound quite absurd. "Dude, Hulk and Thanos tanked continental level energy" "Thor survived full force of neutron star" "Thor moved city sized rings" "Superman survived ground zero of world affecting World Engine"
But I don't think you'd be as shocked if I were to say Superman can bust a mountain by flying though, because he's Superman
It's not even a statement lol it happens on screen. Hulk rocked a mountain sized being who no sold a mountain busting shockwave.
You're denying the feat just because it's not how you perceive the characters' power levels to be, but it's fairly consistent with the other high ends of the verse
Thor get's a light knockout from an exploding landmass
On paper, a lot of high ends sound quite absurd. "Dude, Hulk and Thanos tanked continental level energy" "Thor survived full force of neutron star" "Thor moved city sized rings" "Superman survived ground zero of world affecting World Engine"
But I don't think you'd be as shocked if I were to say Superman can bust a mountain by flying though, because he's Superman
@hulkbusterx9: Saw that one coming, hence the "alien tazer"
Hulk can't bust Sokovia in a short time period with his punches. Hulk can KO someone who can take Sokovia exploding in their face without major injury "give or take 20 hit and an alien tazer"
Hulk's can hurt durable opponents, but could bust at best a pillar or a shack with a punch
@kryptonianking88: That's extremely reductionist, especially when it's a demonstrable fact that living organisms are not consistently braced for, even, repeated hits in the same area, as opposed to nonliving material. You could take the SAME person and they will likely move in different ways to the exact same hit; sometimes no-sell it and sometimes get KO'd or bent over. If you can't even find a trend in the same person, idk how anyone could decide that it's most probable that the hit itself is x amount of force because that's necessary to move a person. I once pushed a guy's head all the way back with a poke on his cheek. Maybe I would've had less success had I not surprised him.
@flashfyr: True, but there's a large gap between no selling in the most literal sense - not being hurt or moved in any way - and getting nearly punched so hard you're bent over. As you can see in the gif, Surtur clearly saw him coming, even turning his head to look at him before the slow mo shot of Hulk, so I don't think you can attribute this to Surtur being surprised like a bee or something
@kryptonianking88: Not to hit you with snobbiness, but this is why I HATE debating people who don't do any combat sports. Seeing a punch coming does not mean you're braced. Hell, all the research shows that there's some time needed for visual stimuli to be processed by the brain, then the brain to send the appropriate response to the muscles. Ever seen a sucker punch? All the guys who've ever gotten sucker-punched saw it for a split second and still got KO'd. It also doesn't take an extraordinarily hard blow to move someone's head, btw. Do some boxing and you'll figure out really quickly that it's more about how the punch is placed rather than how much force goes behind it. Someone 2-3 weight classes below you can still thrash you over with a Superman punch or an unexpected right hook and I'll bet money on that.
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