@rr79: @sophisticated_ignorance:
Please stop. Superman isn't soloing anything, not saying JL can't win, wouldn't of made the thread if I didn't think they could, but he's not soloing. Nobody as the damage output to hurt him? Mags was lifting stadiums with little effort and almost tore the planet in half. Not to mention I'd like to see if Supes can even get past Mags shields.
I disagree, I mean let's break down his opposition.
- Lady Deathstrike: A street-leveler, Fox Adamantium lacks the feats to bypass Clark's durability, and even if it could she can't touch him. He can one-shot her, as we've seen the effect enough concussive force can have on individuals with HF's. Should be a non-factor against Clark.
- MCU Quicksilver: The only thing he has going for him is speed, and he's maybe Mach 2-3 compared to Superman being around Mach 55. Definitely a non-factor against Clark.
- MCU Scarlet Witch: Also a non-factor against Clark. Her TK is strong and very hax, but it just doesn't operate at this tier of power, something like an explosion from a bomb vest is enough to bypass it's max strength. Superman will barely feel it.
- Juggernaut: He's just outmatched across the board. His strength isn't remotely comparable to Clark, nor is his durability. That's without factoring speed, Heat-Vision, flight. Also largely a non-factor.
The only two threats to Clark would be Shaw and Erik.
- Shaw: Has never shown absorption of nearly this much concussive force, and without NLF Clark should one-shot. Even if he does absorb Clark's hits, he's never shown remotely the offensive output to harm Clark in anyway. At best he's a tank who Clark can eventually just drop in the middle of the ocean, and at worst he gets blitzed and dropped off the bat. Either way, less of a threat and more of just a risk to outlast his teammates.
- Erik: Obviously he's the top dog in terms of raw power. He has a level of raw power that Clark can't hope to match at all, but he can't focus this raw power in a manner that makes him a threat to Clark. If Clark can tank being punched through 6 buildings and a nuke, no amount of metal shrapnel being propelled is gonna do much. Erik can tear a city to pieces all he wants, it doesn't help here because he can't focus his power in a manner that he can kill Clark. Lifting something as large as the stadium is again immensly impressive, but irrelevent in combat with Superman. It was a slow process that requires continuous concentration, Superman can very easily just move out of the path of the stadium, or blitz while Erik is focussed on moving it at all. The bottom line is that Erik simply hasn't demonstrated the ability to harm Clark, for that matter no one in the Brotherhood has. As for the Shields, they don't have the feats to survive someone who can lift a multi-thousand ton building casually and drag a 60,000 ton ship, not even close. None of the X-Men are at that tier of strength, so obviously it just doesn't have those feats. Even then, Electromagnetic Fields aren't gonna prevent heat energy, especially because they allow for oxygen diffusal, so Heat-Vision should pass right through. Freeze-Breath too for that matter.
Superman doesn't solo because he outmatches these guys in raw power, but because they simply can't hurt him and he definitely can hurt them.
Can't absorb anything remotely the level that Clark can dish out? He absorbed a nuclear reactor. That's pretty close. Granted, it was done over the space of a few minutes. That being said, I do believe JL wins pretty easily, just don't think Superman solo's.
That's my bad, I probably should have been more clear. I was talking more about concussive force on this level, which Shaw has shown less ability to synthesize (which makes sense because the energy release is much more catalyzed). He never faced an opponent remotely this strong, so he just doesn't have those feats. It's possible he could tank a full-on hit from Superman, but that's where NLF comes into play. For the same reason we can't assume someone like DCEU Doomsday can evolve to become infinitely powerful, we can't assume Shaw can absorb exponentially more concussive force than he ever demonstrated within his abilities.
Additionally, nuclear reactors are designed to emitt constant but mitigated levels of radiation. Radiation doesn't even need to be transmitted, it's absorbed by regular humans, so of course Shaw will have less issue absorbing that than concussive force. The levels of radiation given off by a typical reactor core from the 1960's over say, a year, is gonna be about 3,900 kilowatt-hours tops, so about 0.00012506783 per second. So over about 2 seconds that's really only about 9,888,854 joules of energy, given the active radioactive chain isn't in play. Now, let's compare that to dragging a 60,000 ton ship, and we get about 251,040,000,000,000,000 joules of energy, concentrated over that same 2 seconds in the form of a full-body hit. Even with the reactor feat and assuming he can absorb kinetic energy just as well as nuclear, Shaw is waaaaaaaayyyyyy out of his weight class against Clark.
I just think Clark solos because, breaking it down, no one can really hurt him on the either team. Meanwhile, I don't think he'll have any issue dropping everybody.
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