Broly vs Toriko

@panda_emperorix: Don’t take my word for it since I can’t recall the source, but I think I remember reading in some other interview on the movie that this Broly will be Goku’s strongest opponent yet. If true, Broly is definitely Universe+ level and damn, Jiren didn’t get to hold on to that title for long. The freaking movie was already in development during the last few episodes of Super xD

No you are right actually xD

Lemme see if i can find it

Broly is at least multi solar system level in a single shot.

High balled he’s low end galaxy level.

He roflstomps

Broly due to hax Akira Toriyama gave him

High balled? He was recently confirmed by the writer of Broly movies to be strong enough to destroy galaxies. The movie feat is therefore 100% straightforward galaxy busting.

@reikai: We use the version that was used when the thread was made, wether you like or not, that's how things work here, especially if DBZ Broly is non canon and DBS Broly is canon, so technically they're different characters, Toriyama is going to make some big changes to Broly.

Old school Broly is nothing to new Broly and sure as shit isn’t Beerus’ level who took out End of DBZ SS3 Goku with a finger.

Can’t believe this really needs to be explained. He got taken out with a punch by a powered up Cell Saga Super Saiyan Goku, was screwed against a comet that would destroy the planet he was on (so much for Galaxy busting cuz LOLinconsistent statements beating out feats)

Next movie, you had Goten and Trunks holding their own against him. Compare that to new Broly shown putting a whooping on Post-ToP Goku and Vegeta in his Base form.

Super Saiyan, possibly Super Saiyan 2, Gohan breaking out of his grip and Broly finally losing to a triple Kamehameha blasting him to the sun which takes him out. (Again, so much for being able to Galaxy bust)

I could go on. Old Broly is an ant to the new Broly

You couldn't be more wrong, Paragus thought the comet would kill everyone yet Broly laughed at that idea when he killed him, for Paragus it was a threat, for everyone else it was a joke. And Broly died from his own power + Family kamehameha according to the guides, not the sun, sun didn't even kill Cooler or Goku on his way to Namek.

a thousand stars in tact doesn't equate to billions of stars, solar systems and planets destroyed. Broly one-shots Toriko

Duh

Actually watch the movies, you are just spreading misinformation

Muh split durability that isn't lightspeed until Dyspo

@toratorn: really? Link please? That’d be amazing lol.

Especially since new Broly is going to be way more powerful.

That pretty much confirms that ssb is at least multi galaxy since it’s tens of thousands of times stronger than lssj Broly from the old movies lol.

@scotchbear: I don't think it works this way since DBZ movies are not canon to manga or Super. Only people who benefit from this feat are anime/movie/maybe GT characters.

As for the link, here you go: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42231

u wot caught bodies here. db lowballers on this site are hilarious

Nope, the arrival of the comet was treated as threat with it approaching more and more throughout the fight to show the were running out of time fighting Broly. The fact that everyone had to escape the doomed planet vs just destroying it once Paragus revealed his intentions proves my point.

Goten and Trunks held their own. They were losing sure, but lasted.

Super Saiyan 2 Gohan was able to break out of a death grip by him. It's not much but it obviously means he's nothing close to God of Destruction Tier when Super Saiyan 2 can give him any significant challenge.

Family Kamehameha is what led to his defeat. Overpowering his attack and than carrying him to the sun. Ki Barrier he had on was holding back the blast all the way to the sun, once he was there, the sun overwhelmed and disintegrated him. Damage control it all you want, but the sun played a big part in killing him.

Pretty consistent actually for a guy who nearly died to lava earlier if were going to argue obvious outliers.

First things first, I’ll assume this is movie 8/10 Broly and not the new Broly. Otherwise Broly guts Toriko easily via trailer alone. But this still applies to movie Broly as well. First of all, he was destroying South Galaxy even as RSSJ which is much weaker than LSSJ. Now we know that the DB verses galaxies are each fourths of the universe. This makes south galaxy trillions of galaxies instead of just one. And since the entire quadrant was in danger of Broly, he would have to destroy it within his lifetime or 100 years. Now if even if you say Saiyans live longer than humans, this calc disregards Broly eating or sleeping or doing anything other than destroying the galaxy. Even then he would have to be destroying 25+ galaxies per second to obliterate the southern quadrant over 100 years without eating or sleeping whatsoever! This would make Broly a MFTL galaxy buster easily if you accept the statement about the four quadrants of the dragonball universe.

This is if you think that the south galaxy was just that, a galaxy. Broly would still be destroying 30+ solar systems a second and a MFTL Multi Solar Sustem buster easily.

And Durability wise, Broly tanked the focused power of all the non canon Z fighters directly to the weak spot on his chest into a meteor that dwarfed new vegeta and got stronger. And even as a baby made a ki shield that tanked a small star level explosion after being stabbed repeatedly by saiyan elite.

So over all, Broly kills Toriko

@u_wot_m8:

The fillers are non-canon, thus they don't even exist in Toriyama work as the same as movies to begin with buddy -.-, and again, movie 12 showed all the villains except Broly but his dad was their appear with him, meaning all movies are related to each other, including Garlic jr movie, which appeared in the fillers and in movie 12. Try again thanks, and please, I am not repeating this again, either provide better feats or keep denying.

As clueless as ever, huh? The anime adapts the main story and fillers exist as additional material for convenience purposes. They have nothing at all to do with the movies which are said to be placed in a different dimension, and there are numerous instances throughout the anime showing the discrepancies between the two. For starters, movie 8 couldn't have taken place in the same timeline as the anime, since it would only fit in between the wait for the Cell Games, yet we see Gohan and Goku in their base forms despite remaining SSJs during the 10 day wait. Movie 10 also causes similar comparability issues. It wouldn't have been able to fit into the main story after the 25th Budokai - the same tournament Videl was shown to be in a state of shock from seeing Goten and Trunks fight on a level unknown to ordinary humans. In the movie, she was shown to be familiar with this level of fighting as they faced off against Broly.

More bullshit, go any evidence showing he has nothing better then even namek saga Goku punching a blast to another planet, or are you talking shit again ?

I don't need to show evidence to prove Bambina has better striking feats than a Goku with no relevance to Movie 8. Besides, punching a Ki blast into space is already a shaky striking feat, since the explosion produced by the Ki blast is what tends to destroy the planet.

Planet sized ship which was nearly the size of earth and moved at ridiculous speeds, and it was believed to be a planet before it was revealed to be slug ship which Goku and Krillin went up to the earth atmosphere to change the orbit so it wouldn't collide with each. Doesn't change the feat itself, so please, if you are done dodging, go counter it lolol or, are you gonna ignore that Ki has force and use "BUT ONLY KICKS AND PUNCHES ARE FORCE" bullshit like you always do to save face ?

Wow across the planet -.- is that it ? Try punching an entire planet buster to another planet with character fodder to Broly thanks.

It was nowhere close to the size of Earth. Not that slightly altering its path with a Ki blast proves anything close to planet level physicals in the first place. Meanwhile, a single Cell of Neo is said to have the rotational energy of a giant planet, which was precisely the reason Jirou had difficulty stopping its movement:

Yet we have Toriko casually sending a complete Neo/Acacia across the entire world and stopping him with one hand. All while marveling over the taste of his own tears...

No one on movie 8-10 Broly's level has shown striking power anywhere close to this, while his combat speed is largely unproven to the point where a LS-FTL Bambina could blitz him with the proven feats.

LSSJ Broly is only Solar System Level not Galaxy. Similar to the same level as SPF Cell. But anywase that version of Broly probably gives Post GOD Toriko a run for his money, but then dies when White Oni is accidentally awakened.

@loveeveryone: According to the movie director Broly was indeed capable of destroying galaxies.

Broly with mid-difficulty.

Downplaying much, ignoring the fact Broly was said to be moving so fast he can travel across the universe to the northern side and destroy his northern galaxy, you are sitting here talking shit about LS to FTL ?

Seriously, BABY BROLY, escape planet Vegeta at near light speed, talking shit about LS or FTL like it's impressive to Broly. And striking feats lol go find me a feat better then punching a planet buster to another planet in Toriko, Bambina is fodder to KV let alone anyone higher.

@chaosknight75 said:

@u_wot_m8 said:

@chaosknight75 said:

Old school Broly is nothing to new Broly and sure as shit isn’t Beerus’ level who took out End of DBZ SS3 Goku with a finger.

Old School Broly isn't Beerus level, the author even said that.

Can’t believe this really needs to be explained. He got taken out with a punch by a powered up Cell Saga Super Saiyan Goku, was screwed against a comet that would destroy the planet he was on (so much for Galaxy busting cuz LOLinconsistent statements beating out feats)

Incorrect, he was taken out by Goku who had the powers of all the Z fighters, in movie 4, Goku will piccolo power alone surpassed his false SSJ state and one-shot giant slug, this Goku was insanely powerful at that point. And no, that's bullshit, even Broly laughed at the comet, no one cared about it but Paragus was who fodder even to the base saiyans, don't spread misinformation.

Next movie, you had Goten and Trunks holding their own against him. Compare that to new Broly shown putting a whooping on Post-ToP Goku and Vegeta in his Base form.

Holding their own ? Broly in his SSJ form crushed them with ease and tanked them like a joke, he was going to kill them if Gohan didn't show up. Only thing Goten and Trunks did was hold their own to Bio Broly, who is dog shit to the movie 8 or 10 Broly.

Super Saiyan, possibly Super Saiyan 2, Gohan breaking out of his grip and Broly finally losing to a triple Kamehameha blasting him to the sun which takes him out. (Again, so much for being able to Galaxy bust)

It was SSj2, guides confirmed it, and breaking out of grip lol and ? Janemba was flinched from SSJ2 Vegeta blast, does that mean he is weak considering what he done ? And no, the sun didn't kill Broly, guides, next movie statement from Trunks and feats show the family kamehameha + Broly power killed Broly, sun didn't do anything unless you want to tell me hearts can now explode hearts. Sun didn't even take out Namek Saga Goku or Cooler

I could go on. Old Broly is an ant to the new Broly

Duh

Actually watch the movies, you are just spreading misinformation

Nope, the arrival of the comet was treated as threat with it approaching more and more throughout the fight to show the were running out of time fighting Broly. The fact that everyone had to escape the doomed planet vs just destroying it once Paragus revealed his intentions proves my point.

Nonsense, because if you watch the movie, no one cared about the comet except Paragus, not even Broly cared about it and laughed at his dad for thinking it can kill him to begin with after throwing him into the comet. You are applying head canon assumptions thinking it can kill anyone.

Goten and Trunks held their own. They were losing sure, but lasted.

No they didn't, Broly played and tanked them silly, they basically was running away from him and trying to summon Shenron to get rid of him, no where near close to holding their own. Stop spreading misinformation thanks.

Super Saiyan 2 Gohan was able to break out of a death grip by him. It's not much but it obviously means he's nothing close to God of Destruction Tier when Super Saiyan 2 can give him any significant challenge.

He isn't destroyer level, I just said that before. And SSj2 didn't give him any challenge, wtf are you on about, the best Gohan did was push him back a meter with a knee that didn't even scratch him. In 3 hits, Gohan got knocked out, wasted all his power and couldn't even dodge the Lava, SSj2 didn't give any challenge.

Family Kamehameha is what led to his defeat. Overpowering his attack and than carrying him to the sun. Ki Barrier he had on was holding back the blast all the way to the sun, once he was there, the sun overwhelmed and disintegrated him. Damage control it all you want, but the sun played a big part in killing him.

More fan fiction nonsense. As shown here, Broly popped from his own power, green Ki is pouring out of him, then he explodes from his own power in the 3rd image and you see green smoke covering the sun from Broly green Ki. The sun didn't do anything, wtf are you watching bro because clearly it wasn't movie 10, sun didn't even kill Cooler lol.

Pretty consistent actually for a guy who nearly died to lava earlier if were going to argue obvious outliers.

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You done making rubbish up ?

@u_wot_m8:

You are bringing irrelevant points

Yes, look at all of these "irrelevant" points that demonstrate why movies cannot fit into the timeline of the primary story, which the anime adapts... If you're unable to even address the discrepancies between mixing DBZ filler from the main story and the movies together, you've already lost.

movies are alternative timelines, but so is the anime as the anime take place in a different dimension where filler dictate the flow of the series itself, whenever anything touches the anime where it doesn't follow the manga it becomes non-canon to begin with.

The anime isn't an alternate timeline, nor does it take place in a different dimension as the main story. It's literally adapting the main story... Filler doesn't dictate the flow of DBZ... It's a minute fraction of the overall story, which stays true to Toriyama's manga barring some additional characters and supplementary material meant to stall for the manga to stay ahead long enough.

And you fail more because Pikkon appeared in fillers, same as he appeared in movie 11 at the end when Goku was sent with Pikkon to calm Broly down or Movie 12 where all the movie villains appeared in 1 go (except Broly), and same as Garlic Jr, a movie character appearing in fillers. Showing movies and fillers are related to each other, you have nothing suggesting otherwise.

That point is about as worthless as bringing up how Vegeta appeared in the movies and filler - it serves no purpose to furthering your point whatsoever. Pikkon originates from anime filler, not movie 12. Here are just a few examples and explanations for why movies can't fit into the timeline of DBZ:

- Goku having Kaio-Ken in movies 2 and 3, despite them both taking place on Earth:

In the main story, Goku learns Kaio-Ken from Kaio and only uses it against both Vegeta and Nappa after being revived. He doesn't use it again on Earth until after he returns back from Namek, where he mastered SSJ and had a PL greater than Freeza's.

- Goku having a PL of 30k in base during the events of The Tree of Might:

Again, this would conflict greatly with the established power levels in the main story. Goku's base after returning to Earth during the Saiyan Saga was a measly 8k. After recovering from his battle with Vegeta, which takes place almost immediately after he returns to life, Goku heads off to planet Namek, where he gains a PL that dwarfs 30k.

- Lord Slug taking place on Earth:

Mostly the same reasoning provided above, including the fact that Goku had not yet learned to master SSJ, yet we see him tap into its power briefly. This would make no sense if the story happened after the Namek/Freeza Saga.

- Both the Broly movies' placement:

Already addressed the discrepancies in my previous reply.

- Bojack Unbound taking place after Trunks had defeated both the Androids:

This doesn't need an in-depth explanation. Trunks doesn't return to the past again until DBS and his hair was cut back to normal length prior to returning to his timeline, as opposed to in the movie where he retains his Cell Games hairstyle.

- Fusion Reborn showing Goku in other world fighting in some tournament after he fought Boo:

The lack of compatibility with the main story is painfully obvious here. In the anime, Goku only goes back to Otherworld briefly to ask King Yemma if Gohan passed through. He immediately teleports to Kaioshin's world and stays there until Old Kai offers up his life. If you assume this film takes place after he fought against Fat Boo, but before fighting Super Boo or Kid Boo, it would make no sense due to the reason I just provided. If this happened after the battle with Kid Boo, it would make even less sense due to Goku and Vegeta both being dead in the movie.

This would mean that in at least 8 movies - and these are just examples that come to mind - there are multiple events that greatly conflict with the established story of DB/DBZ. They absolutely do not correlate to one another. Period. There are also examples from the TV Specials like The History of Trunks that don't coincide with the anime's portrayal of events in filler *cough* Future Gohan's death *cough*.

Shame their is relevance buddy as proven on top with fillers character appearing in movies and movie characters appearing in the anime. Go on and provide a better feat if you are done dodging the feat thanks.

Filler characters appearing in movies isn't even a point. Non-filler characters appear in movies as well. Unless you can provide a reasonable placement for each movie within the anime's timeline that isn't contradicted profusely, your argument falls flat.

Actually it was before it broke off, it was close to the size of a planet.

No, it wasn't anywhere near the size of Earth. Even in the shot where it's shown from space.

Slightly ? You blind ? how is moving a planet off the course to earth not even planet level ? He basically moved a planet that was going to complete collide with earth. Add the fact it's moving at a few dozen % of the speed of light, it's well beyond planet level. And to makes thing worse, Krillin even said it would be easier to destroy it.

Ah, that lack of reading comprehension speaks volumes... I said altering the orbit of an incoming asteroid with a Ki blast doesn't justify your assertion of characters having planet level physicals. Nothing suggests it was moving a few dozen times the speed of light when it was about to strike the Earth either. The fact that ordinary humans were perceiving prior impact proves it wasn't anywhere close to LS.

And ? Go calculator a planet moving at a few dozen % the speed of light and let's see what is more impressive lol stop wasting my time with silly stuff like this.

Perhaps you enjoy working with unfounded conjecture. I don't. Give me good reason to believe the object was moving at a few dozen times the speed of light when ordinary people can perceive it. Furthermore, wasn't Lord Slug's goal not to destroy the planet, but freeze it instead? I'm not even convinced Goku and Krillin were responsible for moving it at all. That could have easily been Slug's own doing.

You do know this is movie 4 Goku in his base form will holding back not trying to destroy the planet right ? This isn't base Broly m8 or M10 let alone SSJ or LSSJ, this is movie 4 Goku base + Krillin holding back not trying to destroy a planet already doing >>> planet level force.

I know you're passing off incredibly questionable feats that don't pertain to physical striking as evidence of characters having physical striking feats. Ki blasts have nothing at all to do with their physicals - they're two separate categories.

Downplaying much, ignoring the fact Broly was said to be moving so fast he can travel across the universe to the northern side and destroy his northern galaxy, you are sitting here talking shit about LS to FTL ?

Ignoring something that was never once stated? Yeah, I suppose. How would I even be aware of it unless there's actually something in the movie saying Broly could move across the universe at LS to FTL speeds? Prove to me that they weren't traveling in Paragus' space pod. Not that bringing up travel speed in the vacuum of space helps your point. It has nothing to do with combat-applicable speed.

Seriously, BABY BROLY, escape planet Vegeta at near light speed, talking shit about LS or FTL like it's impressive to Broly. And striking feats lol go find me a feat better then punching a planet buster to another planet in Toriko, Bambina is fodder to KV let alone anyone higher.

- No speed was given

- That's travel speed.

- Filler feats that have nothing to do with Movie 8.

All you're doing is providing speculation in the face of on-panel evidence. Not a compelling argument at all.

Broly while stabbed as a baby flew off the planet, and no, they need to see where they are goal. Bullshit, because fillers and movies are all related to each other, as shown in them appearing multiples with them Z, Movies and GT.

AHAHAHAHAHAH seriously, you try to play this split durability bullshit game and failed when they have feats, then you try to deny the feats itself, your pathetic

Come on you dark joke you low balling genius, you are boring me big time with this rubbish, you gonna make better points or pretend your debunked points are still relevant to the discussion ?

Torino because Toriko >>> Acacia >>>>>>>>>>>>> Living Tribunal and the Beyonder.

@u_wot_m8:

No they are irrelevant because everyone knows movies are alternate timelines, nothing special or new nor does it relate to the point of fillers character appearing in Moviees.

They take place in different dimensions from the main story. Meaning the events in movie 8 have no relevance to the DBZ anime.

Really ? So Yamcha > SSJ Goku cell games because he beat Olibu, Kid Buu > Gohan-Buu and SSj Goku = Mystic Gohan -.- these are not Akira idea nor where they ever his idea, fillers many times too different paths with power and story. Hence why they are called fillers, they are non-canon and don't relate to the DBZ story according to the manga which is the original canon. Nice try but no, they changed the flow as shown many of times.

In anime filler, you could argue that if you take it to mean Olibu was giving it his all. Not sure what the relevance of this point is supposed to be. Toriyama doesn't have control over the anime. Doesn't change the fact that DBZ is adapting the main story from the manga. Filler pertains to the anime. Movie 8 does not.

Your full of shit, you say it doesn't further my point despite movie character are appearing in fillers following the same events that happened in the movie in continuation with the fillers and fillers appearing in movies. Go give actual counters thanks, otherwise get lost and stop wasting my time with your desperate attempt to ignore feats

You've shown 1 movie character that has nothing to do with Broly. I've shown why the movies Broly appears in (bar Bio Broly) cannot fit into the timeline of the main story. If that's not an "actual counter" to your nonsense of trying to establish a connection between two different sources, please enlighten us on what is?

Ha no, despite you failed to accurate describe where the timeline actually take place due to certain moments in movies suggesting when it takes place, it isn't a point that's even countering my point. You failed, and it's because you are failing to understand how movies and fillers are related to each other, same as how GT is related to movies and fillers, I just gave you examples of it, if Garlic Jr, a movie character appeared in fillers, and filler character appeared in movies, then that means they are related to each other. Just how Cooler appeared in Dragonball GT, they are related, hence why they are all non-canon, movies having different timelines or events means nothing at all because as movie 12 and GT shown, all of them are related to each other.

"failed to accurately describe when they take place" Lol, your desperation is showing. I've given clear-cut examples showing why the movies I mentioned cannot fit into the main timeline no matter how you try and slice it. Since you failed to do what I asked and provide a logical placement for these movies in the main timeline, it was obvious your response was going to be some nonsensical ranting that fails to address any points while regurgitating the same hogwash you've already spewed.

You failed, the anime isn't canon due to filler influence, hence why movie characters and GT relate to it and appeared in it. Stop wasting my time, this isn't the manga. bringing up the difference in movies to the main canon isn't proving anything but they are alternate timelines, yet they fails because neither are fillers.

Whether the anime is canon or not has no bearing to my point. Its canonicity doesn't substantiate your claims about DBZ filler being applicable to Movie 8. Meanwhile, I've actually showed why movie 8 fitting into the main story of DBZ doesn't work.

Go get your eyes checked then

My vision's fine. Your wanking is the only issue here. Lol

Actually it does since it shows Ki has force, and that force was going to change the orbit of a planet, force is produced with more then punches and kicks genius, good luck grasping on straws with this one. Nothing suggest besides feats of it moving so fast ?

Congratulations, you're able to discern the obvious. Ki blasts carrying an unquantifiable amount of force says nothing about their striking feats. It's like you need an interpreter here. Toriko has better physical striking feats than Broly. Posting an example of a Kamehameha possible altering the orbit of a meteor says nothing about his physical feats.

Yeah Bulma can also keep up with Goku vs Frieza, if you are done with your downplaying bullshit once more so you can weasel your way out of feats because you got no counters for it, we can move on thanks.

Guess that doesn't say too much about Freeza and Goku's speed then. So what we've concluded is that ordinary humans, e.g., Bulma, Chi Chi, multiple unnamed onlookers, etc.. can not only perceive the asteroid as it makes its way into the atmosphere, but they even have enough time to run and duck for cover after Goku and Krillin fail to push it away:

Vs your evidence for it moving dozens of times the speed of light - nothing at all.

Few dozen % of the speed of light first of all based on on screen feats, but then again, FTL space ships is normal, so let's go with that.

No, let's go with you actually providing something substantial to prove the meteor's speed and not just your nonsensical headcanon.

And who cares about slugs goals, we are talking about them going to change the orbit of a planet with their kamehameha while holding back in base form, slugs goals aren't even relevant here

If you read my reply properly (highly unlikely), you'd know that I'm questioning whether the alteration of the meteor was Goku's doing or part of Slug's plan while approaching the Earth, considering he didn't travel interstellar distances to simply blow it up, and Goku's Kamehameha didn't seem to phase the asteroid. It just disappeared on contact.

Physical feats = force, force isn't only produced with strikes buddy, Ki can be used to cut, pierce and move objects, it isn't exploding energy. Stop wasting my time.

Which says nothing about their physical striking power, and is therefore, entirely irrelevant to any point I made. You talk about people wasting your time, but you seem to lack the capacity required to keep up with the debates you start. Lol

Never once stated my goodness you are full of shit, because I just posted the scans in the previous page of King Kai stating at the rate he is going he can destroy his northern galaxy, keep denying shit loser.

A scan of Kaio saying the Northern Galaxy would disappear is now proof Broly is traveling through space at FTL speeds and not moving around in Paragus' space pod?

Sure, King Kai can track ships as shown with Vegeta and Goku ship, he had no idea where Broly was nor could he track him, duh. More bullshit excuses, Broly has to see where he is going, thus he needs MFTL+ reactions for him to see and track what he needs to be done when flying through space.

Kaio never said he couldn't track Broly, nor was he even trying to during the conversation with Goku. He just told Goku to seek out his energy signature. Stop making things up to avoid accepting the fact that you have no statements or feats proving Broly's combat speed is on par with Toriko's.

Broly while stabbed as a baby flew off the planet, and no, they need to see where they are goal. Bullshit, because fillers and movies are all related to each other, as shown in them appearing multiples with them Z, Movies and GT.

Because flying away from a planet is now definitive proof of close to LS. You've failed to establish a correlation between movie 8 or movie 10 and DBZ's filler. We can safely say that much so far.

AHAHAHAHAHAH seriously, you try to play this split durability bullshit game and failed when they have feats, then you try to deny the feats itself, your pathetic

If they have feats, why can't you seem to show any? I'd say that fact that you're so incredibly desperate here that you're trying to equate Ki blasts to striking power and travel speed to combat speed, as opposed to providing actual feats in each respective category, only speaks volumes about "what they have", or in this case, don't.

Broly.

@u_wot_m8: Only one making up rubbish is you.

Right, that’s why everyone had to escape. Right after Goku took out Broly, we were even thought to believe they got caught in the explosion until surprise! They all escaped with the aid of a spaceship. Now what would happen if it wasn’t there?

Super Saiyan 2 Gohan giving any sort of challenge to Broly means he’s nowhere near Beerus level. That’s the only point I’m making and it’s to those that think this Broly is anything like the new Broly. Don’t think any harder into it.

Wrong. Thats blood popping out of his chest buddy. Ki isn’t a solid liquid. Cooler got toasted and just from the sun’s surface to boot too

Kinda hard to be making up rubbish when I post a vid that shows everything I said is fact

@chaosknight75: New issue from Jump just came out....

New Broly is beyond God of Destruction level xDDDDD

They also said the new enemy is the strongest, so that puts him above Jiren too

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/1025416473068466177

@chaosknight75 said:

@u_wot_m8: Only one making up rubbish is you.

LOL Sure

Right, that’s why everyone had to escape. Right after Goku took out Broly, we were even thought to believe they got caught in the explosion until surprise! They all escaped with the aid of a spaceship. Now what would happen if it wasn’t there?

So you want Goku and the others to be hit by it and die in space lol seriously are you even trying any more ?

Super Saiyan 2 Gohan giving any sort of challenge to Broly means he’s nowhere near Beerus level. That’s the only point I’m making and it’s to those that think this Broly is anything like the new Broly. Don’t think any harder into it.

Which I agreed he isn't Beerus level, next point

Wrong. Thats blood popping out of his chest buddy. Ki isn’t a solid liquid. Cooler got toasted and just from the sun’s surface to boot too

My goodness just stop 0:49 that's Broly blood. And no, Cooler died from his own attack, even Goku survived the sun going to namek lol. Broly Ki is solid liquid lol

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This is Broly ki

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You done wasting my time ?

Kinda hard to be making up rubbish when I post a vid that shows everything I said is fact

You posted nothing lol wtf are you even talking about, I posted all the pictures and vid, keep talking rubbish buddy

@u_wot_m8: Well you must have plenty of free time on your hands since you wanted to argue with me first even though I’m apparently a waste of your time.

They’d die from getting caught in the comet. No different to Broly dying from the sun. Damage control more.

Cooler died from getting sent into the sun.

The stuff coming out of Broly’s chest is clearly a dark solid-colored liquid (blood) vs the green light show Broly put up right before he popped from Goku’s punch. Difference is plainly clear and only a blind fanboy would argue otherwise. You don’t even need the sun. Lava nearly did the trick XD

Does it get boring after a while damage-controlling for DBZ 24/7?

@u_wot_m8:

Since you are repeating the same shit, put all in 1 sentence

Take your own advice, pal. Especially if you don't even have the backbone to address my points and explain how these films can fit within the main timeline of the story.

No, DBZ movies have no relation to the manga, the anime however is different because movie character appeared in it within the fillers, and all movie character appear in movie 12. Their evidence is their, you can't just ignore it. If all movies are connected, and a movie character appeared in fillers, then what does that say.

One movie character appearing in a filler arc doesn't prove that all movie characters are related to anime filler... Especially when the filler is just an added scene in a canon battle (Goku vs Freeza) that indisputably takes place within the main story and not another dimension. If you want to use that argument, movie characters have appeared in the manga as well. Bardock wasn't even created by Toriyama and initially appears in Bardock: The Father of Goku. Guess what? The events in the film are still non canon to the main timeline, evident by Toriyama's own take on Bardock's past in DB Minus.

The main timeline isn't even the manga due to filler influence, plus if movie character appeared in it, thus they relate somehow, same with GT.

You're just repeating yourself instead of addressing the lack of compatibility between the films and the main story, all while failing to comprehend that the anime adapts the main story, but includes extra content for convenience purposes. Start addressing my points and stop beating around the bush in a desperate attempt to save face.

Here is Cooler in dragonball GT

K. Here's Cooler appearing in the DBH anime:

What does this have to do with movie 8 or 10 fitting within the main timeline in DBZ?

Even Broly appeared in fillers lol

Wow a character with a similar outfit to Broly's. I'm sold. #Sarcasm

Stop wasting my time, you say they aren't related yet they appeared in fillers, it's amusing how you ignore feats and accept them when you want.

Except Broly never appeared in any filler, nor is there any way for his movies to take place within the primary story in the anime, as I've already addressed.

LOL sure, going by on screen feats according to a downplayer = wanking a character -.-

Those on-screen feats that prove the meteor was nowhere near the size of Earth? I agree. When you're desperately trying to wank it, however, I can see how that mistake is made.

My goodness the common sense isn't strong with you. If a blast can change the orbit of a planet, what happens if you hit it or tanked it and don't even move, try not to over think this one.

Nothing important to characters with striking feats on the level of Toriko top tiers. Especially when you factor in that a single Cell of Neo's had resistance comparable to the rotational energy of a giant planet.

Downplaying outside, So how fast is the ship moving ? Please tell so I can post feat on screen and laugh hard on how pathetic your attempt to downplay is :)

Don't try to shift the burden of proof. You're the one who asserted it was faster than light in the first place. You prove how fast it was moving using actual evidence from the source material. I gave you direct evidence showing why it isn't faster than light. Direct evidence > baseless accusations of lowballing > your fabricated nonsense supported by zilch.

Like on screen feats -.- ? You know, the shit you cherry pick to push with canon manga DBZ stuff since they lack it but want to ignore and avoid like the plague with non-canon DBZ ?

Ah, yes. How could I forget about those on-screen feats that don't actually exist. Silly me. Here I was thinking my opponent at least had the capacity to comprehend what constitutes and on-screen feat. Nothing is being cherry picked. The simple fact of the matter is: You have nothing proving the meteor was moving at speeds dozens of times that of light as you originally claimed, nor would it even make sense for it to move that fast as it's about to make contact with the Earth, considering Slug wasn't trying to destroy the Earth, but rather, freeze and transform it into his own personal star cruiser. Meanwhile, the actual on-panel feats show ordinary humans watching in awe before it impacts the planet, and even running and ducking for cover.

That's because Slug ship deflected to attack. The point is that they were going to change the orbit of a planet before knowing it was a ship, and they feel it would be easier to destroy it.

Slug wasn't shown to deflect the attack. Stop making things up. Their attack simply had no effect and the gale-force winds tossed them aside like nothing. Yajirobe even says that Goku was beat from trying to deflect the meteor. He never said anything about Goku succeeding. For all we know, Lord Slug ditched it before it made contact with the Earth. This would even make logical sense, considering his plan was to turn the Earth into a bigger vessel by freezing it.

Because King Kai can track pods -.- duh

He can also track people flying through space, like he did with Whis and Beerus.

Actually no, he was trying hence why he contacted Goku to go find the super saiyan who done it.

I'm asking for proof that he was constantly maintaining a watch on Broly's actions, specifically during the period of time he explained the situation to Goku.

All King Kai knew is that it was a SSJ that destroyed the galaxy, he had no idea where it was hence why he told Goku to go to the south galaxy and hunt him down, otherwise, he would accurately point out like he did before where Broly ship was like he did in the past.

And we know that Kaio wasn't paying any attention to the direction of the Southern Galaxy while briefing Goku on the situation. All in all, you've no actual proof Broly was flying around in space unaided and not just using a spaceship.

Broly has the feats, even as a baby he has the feats, it's you who wants to deny it because it's not applied to combat despite needing reactions to see where you are going in space, apparently baby Broly crashed in everything while flying in space lol.

Deny that he escaped Planet Vegeta's demise by flying away at an unknown speed? And all of a sudden, that's supposed to be proof he can fly around the galaxy at billions of times faster than light speed in your eyes? Nonsense.

No i actually proved it and shown pictures for it.

So where is anything mentioned about the speed at which they were traveling? Nothing proves it was light speed or close to it, nor does travel speed have any relevance to combat speed.

Your boring me,

Good. I'm not here to entertain you.

tell me how fast Broly is here while sleeping as a baby thanks.

No way to verify it. Just like nothing backs your assertions about close to light speed up.

So what excuses you got next Dark nobody ?

Weak jab from a weak debater. Fitting.

@mainjp: so Broly is universe+ in the new movie at least?

So if MUI Goku Beats Broly does that confirm that both Jiren and Goku>Beerus

New broly creates a bloodbath.

Classic broly can still win imo.

Interestingly, there's now even more proof that Canon DBS characters are galaxy+ level(not that we didn't have enough). The Author of the Broly movie confirmed he's a galaxy buster and he also confirmed(several years ago, IIRC) that Broly is inferior to Beerus.

@chaosknight75 said:

@u_wot_m8: Well you must have plenty of free time on your hands since you wanted to argue with me first even though I’m apparently a waste of your time.

My goodness, you are still here ?

They’d die from getting caught in the comet. No different to Broly dying from the sun. Damage control more.

More bullshit yet no evidence they would die or even the sun killed him lol, nice fan fiction genius,

Cooler died from getting sent into the sun.

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Explain to me why are you still here talking shit ? How many times do I have to correct you until you leave ? Cooler died from his own attack as shown, next.

The stuff coming out of Broly’s chest is clearly a dark solid-colored liquid (blood) vs the green light show Broly put up right before he popped from Goku’s punch. Difference is plainly clear and only a blind fanboy would argue otherwise. You don’t even need the sun. Lava nearly did the trick XD

Outliers now lol even Goku on namek survived the sun and lava, need to downplay now lol pathetic. I legit showed you a video of Broly actual blood vs Broly ki which is green and yet you keep applying more fan fiction nonsense thinking it's still blood. Broly blood isn't green, it's his energy, more evidence is when he goes legendary super saiyan, he pops form his own power. Goku punched is just a punch lol he doesn't force people to crack from their own energy nor does the kamehameha make people hearts explode.

Anything else ?

Does it get boring after a while damage-controlling for DBZ 24/7?

Bro legit don't talk shit thanks, your clueless on DBZ and continue to show it every time you reply. I am over correcting you every time you spew shit.

Broly in DBZ is fodder to even base Goku and Vegeta in super. He is a joke like all Z characters compared to super

Toriko still stomps DBZ Broly.

DBZ Broly still blasts him to oblivion.

So Broly is confirmed galaxy tier now? Well this is a mismatch then. Their ki is both offensive and defensive and Toriko ain't getting past galaxy level energy. Broly annihilates him laughing. New Broly doesn't even notice him

@u_wot_m8: Cry more, fanboy.

No evidence except Broly looking battered from a little lava dip even with a Ki shield raised. Oh and Gohan getting burned and passing out from the heat of just being near said lava and needing to get rescued by Krillin before it got to him.

Oh and pretty much every time a character gets blasted to the sun, they die. Evidence is pretty overwhelming.

Your comparisons are as half-assed as always. When Broly transforms, its neon green light escaping from the cracks, not a huge spurts of dark liquid coming from where his heart used to be.

Pot calling the kettle black. All you do is regularly talk shit. It’s why your a joke to everyone here.

@chaosknight75 said:

@u_wot_m8: Cry more, fanboy.

I am crying in laughter on how much fan fiction someone can make up from a movie.

No evidence except Broly looking battered from a little lava dip even with a Ki shield raised. Oh and Gohan getting burned and passing out from the heat of just being near said lava and needing to get rescued by Krillin before it got to him.

It's an outlier with Broly and lava was weaker character survived much hotter. And no, Gohan passed out because he ran out of energy as stated in the guides when facing Broly and Broly 3 shot him -.- seriously just stop with the fan fiction buddy.

Oh and pretty much every time a character gets blasted to the sun, they die. Evidence is pretty overwhelming.

When ? Cooler died from his own attack as shown in the video I posted, Broly died from his own power as shown, Baby died from the kamehameha. Sun couldn't even kill Goku on namek so no keep trying buddy.

Your comparisons are as half-assed as always. When Broly transforms, its neon green light escaping from the cracks, not a huge spurts of dark liquid coming from where his heart used to be.

Bro your legit grasping on straws now, that green light is his energy that envelops his body, he cracked apart from his own Ki. It's shown twice. That liquid was his ki as it was green, just like his ki, just like the many moments were he cracked apart. Let's use more evidence because you are a bit slow, and convincingly blind when seeing this. Broly here pops from his own energy, as you see a green ki, which then later shows smoke with green ki, so no, it's Broly ki that killed him.

I am over correcting you, either actually learn what happens or get lost and write your silly fan fictions else where.

Pot calling the kettle black. All you do is regularly talk shit. It’s why your a joke to everyone here.

I am a joke to the downplayers who think anyone is a joke for not going by their own fan fiction. Clueless on DBZ yet still talking shit about thinking he has any idea on it.

@u_wot_m8: If we’re going to take inconsistent statements from a director as facts, than everything else goes. Surely actual feats demonstrated too.

Yeah, Gohan passed out from exhaustion from all the damage he took from being near the lava which was part of his fight with Broly. Just look at the difference before and afterwards with how battered he looks.

Yup, and the sun that those attacks were made to carry them too to finish them off totally had nothing to do with it. Didn’t SS4 Goku even mention how Baby died from going into the sun and how he timed his blast to Baby’s ship being lined up to the sun. Look it up yourself

Man, you are so full of shit XD

Except it’s not green light, but a spurt of blood shooting out of him XD.

I can just as easily say that green light from the sun is just his Ki shield he had up mixed with the Kamehameha.

Canon Broly solos the verse.

@u_wot_m8:

I address your points, stop talking shit thanks.

No, you simply regurgitated the same drivel you were spewing before.

Your repeating yourself, I showed you a picture of all movie characters from the past movies appearing in movie 12, meaning all movies are connected yet you are still talking rubbish about how it's not despite showing to be true. Not really because Toriyama just recon Bardock story along with Goku story arriving to earth, good try but no.

The picture again because apparently I didn't make it clear enough

Proof Toriyama retconned Bardock's story? Bardock The Father of Goku wasn't his story to begin with - it was non canon. This is like saying Toriyama is going to retcon Broly and Paragus, when in fact, he's merely taking characters from a non-canon story and placing them into main timeline.

You've already shown that image. I responded by bringing up instances that show why most of the movies, Broly's included, cannot fit into the anime's story. Just explain to me how Goku with a base power of 30k can fight Turles on Earth when his base power in the main series before traveling to Namek was only 8k? He didn't return to Earth until his base was in the millions, so...

I'd say, 30% the size of earth ? add the fact it's moving at fast speed. And according to the video in the series, it would easily destroy the planet

I'll he generous and say it's roughly 30% Earth's size. It proves nothing about how fast it was traveling. An object that massive can destroy the Earth by ramming into it at double digit mach speeds.

So yeah, planet level at least, and Goku has to hold back to change it's orbit so he wouldn't destroy it.

Changing the orbit of a planet, assuming Goku actually did so, is nowhere near as impressive as Toriko sending Acacia across a near-Saturn sized world in seconds. Especially when a single Cell has the resistance comparable to the rotational energy of a giant planet. Not to mention, your example has nothing to do with physical strikes.

Cool, fodders to base Broly can easily change the orbits of planets while holding back not to destroy them. Toriko is fodder dog shit here.

Prove they changed the orbit of the planet and establish a correlation between that and their physical striking feats.

I said a few % of the speed of light actually, FTL is what you suggested. But by all means, even the series itself gave a hypothetical situation of what would happen if it collide with earth.

That's still too fast considering ordinary humans were able to perceive and react before impact.

Few dozen % of the speed of light lol get it right. Cool, downplaying aside as usual since onscreen feats > human level perception speed, please calculate the speed of the meteor thanks. Slug goals isn't relevant as Goku and krillin had no idea it was a ship until later, only thing they knew is that it was a meteor. Stop bringing up silly discussions thanks.

When on-screen proof shatters one's preconceived notions, it becomes downplaying. Anything to avoid admitting you're wrong, I guess. And Slug's goals are perfectly relevant. They strengthen the possibility that he was the one responsible for altering the asteroid's course, since he never intended for it to hit the Earth.

Uh no, slug SHIP deflected the attack, not slug, read someone points properly thanks. Goku and Krillin held back not to destroy it lol it's nothing for them. You suggesting Goku couldn't change the orbit of it yet worried about destroying it lol downplaying as usual.

There's no proof his ship deflected the attack either. It was simply shown vanishing on contact with the asteroid, presumably because they didn't put enough power into their attack. Either way, if Slug's ship deflected the attack, altering the orbit isn't even a usable feat.

No he couldn't. All he knew it that Beerus would be their soon and he woke up. He never tracked their speed nor gave an description of time they would be their.

Except being able to determine that Beerus is on his way to the planet and will arrive shortly is tracking. At least no different than what he does with the Saiyan Space Pods.

Because he watched the galaxy be destroyed and even gave a brief description of it's state, even measured how fast he was doing it by say "AT THE RATE HS IS GOING THE NORTHERN GALAXY IS GOING TO BE DESTROY NEXT", along with THE POWER LEVEL OF THE GUY WHO DID IT while comparing it to Goku and the others -.- my goodness. Want me to give what type of shampoo he uses as well ?

That isn't proof he was constantly maintaining watch on Broly's position... He watched him while he tore up the Southern Galaxy, then called Goku for assistance and explained the situation to him. If Broly was constantly on the move, whether it be via space-ship or his own flight, naturally King Kai wouldn't know his exact location.

Actually it proves he doesn't need a space ship like your are pushing for, and 2, he already showing near light speed while just getting of the planet sleeping as a baby. That's what I am proving genius. Done denying feats ?

It proves he can leave the planet and fly to an unknown distance as long as there is a barrier protecting him from the vacuum of space. Doesn't mean he can willingly fly all over the galaxy without running out of air to breathe. The speed at which he was flying is still unproven.

Stop separating my post thanks, your just dragging this debate longer, and believe me, you do a good enough job repeating your shit points with that as it is already. You need to see where you are going in space, duh, unless you want to tell me that he crashes and burns because he can't see where he is going.

That's your problem. If you didn't constantly engage in a discussion with everyone who disagrees with your opinions out of butthurt, you wouldn't have this problem. Not my problem if your usual weak arguments get proven wrong by everyone you debate. Look at it this way: It's no different than what happens to you in every thread you 'debate' in.

Z Broly roflstomps the verse especially after the Author's confirmation that he can indeed bust Galaxies. Keep in mind this Broly is not related to canon Z feats.

OG Broly also reacted to a Kamehameha which went to sun in couple of seconds which puts him in FTL+ range.

Don't forget this same Broly survived a planetery Destruction which had 10x more gravity compared to Earth just as an infant.