Broly vs Kale and Caulifla

Rules:

• Team is bloodlusted
  
• All Feats allowed
• Perfect Teamwork
• Random Encounter-No Knowledge
• Wins by Death or K.O or knock opponents off of the ring.

Location:

Round 1: Base Broly

Round 2:Wrathful Broly

Team wins R1, loses R2 to Broly mid diff.

If they’re allowed to fuse, they outright take it.

Team might be able to win against Base Broly but they clearly lose to Wrathful Broly.

Bump

Broly sweeps. A tired SS2 Goku wasn't doing that badly against them so Base Broly should be able to adapt to them eventually. Wrath State Broly obviously low diffs since they were getting stomped by SSG Goku and WS Broly rivals SSB Goku.

Broly bodies then both rounds

Broly curbstomps round 1 and oneshots round2

Broly no difficulty

Broly dies in round 1, Kale is loosely comparable to SSG Goku and Caulifla is relative to SS2 Goku, while Broly has only surpassed SS Vegeta. Broly stomps round 2, he destroyed SSG Goku and kept up with SSB Goku, making him superior to Base Kefla.

Round 1 goes to the girls

Round 2 Broly ragdolls Caulifla and beats Kale with some difficulty

Round 1: I would back the girls

Round 2: Probably broly

Berserker kale was able to go through a SSJB blast and was able to get him into choke which he couldn't escape id say that kale has more raw strength than goku.

Broly stomps two rounds, Goku SS2 was keeping at bay both Kale and Caulifla at the same time, Base Broly outclassed SSG Vegeta.

Anime

Round 1: Either solo. Being slightly better than SSJ Vegeta isn't better than Kale who is loosely comparable to SSG Goku, or Caulifla being comparable to SSJ2 Goku.

Round 2: Broly stomps.

Manga

Round 1: Kale solos. She is basically Kefla minus Caluflia's battle intellect. Broly does not stand a chance.

Round 2: Caulifla is a non factor. Kale is loosely comparable to MSSB Goku, though Broly did put up a decent fight against a fighter of that caliber. Broly wins in a very difficult fight.

@nassergrant19 said:

@darkrealm said:

Round 1: I would back the girls

Round 2: Probably broly

Berserker kale was able to go through a SSJB blast and was able to get him into choke which he couldn't escape id say that KALE has more raw strength than GOKU.

As soon as kale got goku into a choke hold he was grunting in pain and you can see him starting to shake and struggling to get out of it.

Its fair that you disagree though.

@darkrealm:

As soon as kale got goku into a choke hold he was grunting in pain and you can see him starting to shake and struggling to get out of it.

That Goku was a suppressed SSJ Blue….notice how after Kale beats him up Goku is on his feet without a SINGLE SCRATCH on him. Hell he’s even acting goofy and begging Jiren to fight.

We know this is true because when she unlocks her canonically stronger controlled LSSJ form she is getting fodderized by an exhausted SSJ2 Goku while Caulifla was helping her….

This state isn’t even near Goku’s full power.

In DBS Kale is a mid-tier…she’d lose to Android 17, Gohan, Frieza, Goku Black, Hit, Dyspo and I’m tempted to say Piccolo.

Goku at full capacity in MUI was more powerful than Jiren…Kale is literal FODDER to Jiren. She isn’t anywhere near Goku’s level….come on now.

Its fair that you disagree though.

Appreciate your politeness

@nassergrant19: LSSJ form she is getting fodderized by anexhausted SSJ2 Goku

What? There are two of her controlled forms which one are you referring too?

Her strongest controlled form(Controlled LSSJ) was the one she used in a 2 v 1 fight against Goku.

@nassergrant19: I just rewatched the fight and she was not getting fodderized, she was actually beating him until he wet god.

He was exhausted in that fight, it was 2 v 1 and I meant she was being fodderized by SSG Goku. The SSB tanking feat isn’t valid because she was fodder to an exhausted SSG Goku while she had Caulifla’s help. Not to mention Goku was suppressed and took ZERO scratches from her.

Dude come on…are you serious? Everyone knows Kale is a mid-tier character in DBS. Goku’s the most powerful character in the ToP. She isn’t on Goku’s level.

@nassergrant19: She was going toe to toe with god. He got about 1-2 hits on her, and she was able to deflect his blast.

I still have god goku slightly above her overall.

@darkrealm:

She was going toe to toe with god.

With SSJ2 Caulifla’s help…

He got about 1-2 hits on her

He was toying with them…

and she was able to deflect his blast.

Nowhere near his full power, he was toying with them and this was an exhausted Goku.

I still have god goku slightly above her overall.

Fair but I honestly think SSJ3 Goku would wreck her tbh. Her and Caulifla‘s full power blasts were CASUALLY repelled by the mere transformation of SSJ3. He didn’t even block, the transformation canceled both of their energy blasts out.

I feel that people is already making interpretations of their own scenes.

SSj2 Caulifla was the only one struggling against God Goku. SSJ2 Kale was still raring to go until Caulifla defaulted to using the Potara as she was too out of her depth to continue.

The entire thing with SSJB Goku and Berserker Kale makes zero sense as while you COULD say SSJB Goku was supressing his Kamehameha... why though? It's a Tournament to win and it wasn't like Goku had any reason to screw around either. And I usually take him getting hit by his Spirit Bomb to be the mother of all Zenkais in the first place for anything else to make sense.

Either way though as it's out of hand, Broly sweeps both, Anime and Manga.

If SSJB Goku and Vegeta AFTER the ToP needed to fuse to defeat Broly, why would Caulifla and Kale win?

@busterbladex:

If SSJB Goku and Vegeta AFTER the ToP needed to fuse to defeat Broly

That's because they had no senzu beans to heal up, thats why they chose fusion.

If they had senzu beans, they would have returned to the battlefield fighting as individuals, and Gogeta would not have appeared in the fight against Broly.

@noobsnowman: They weren’t winning as two SSJ Blues

Probably

Kale gets the drop on Goku with an energy blast and he still tanks it and sends her flying. Goku's first energy ball blows through her own energy attack and he has her struggling to deflect it, to the point he could turn around and toy with Caulifla with another energy ball.

@jack_hart: Okay? You can say that about alot of things in DB and DBS(like how in the hell SSB Goku suppressed himself that hard against Krillin? SSJ training in the Cell Arc may make that possible but that's a difference between a 50x boost and something completely unfathomable)

And again, how we see it and how you headcanon it are 2 different things. Caulifla was the only one actually out of the fight, Kale wasn't. Still wouldn't matter against Broly though so this side debate is pointless.

@busterbladex: What headcanon? We literally see SSG Goku handling both girls with ease. Kale struggled less than Caulifla but she still struggled.

@noobsnowman: Literally nothing stopped Goku from using IT to go see Korin and get a senzu bean. Nvm that it wouldn't have helped anyway.

A weakened SSG Goku easily dealt with both Kale and Caulifla in their SS2 states. To which Goku spent most of the time just trying to help build them up and train them, one form at a time starting with his base.

On the other hand, Vegeta went from casually handling Broly in base, to being matched, then struggling, until being forced to go SSJ to maintain his advantage. Only for the same series of events to transpire yet again. Which resulted in Vegeta realizing his SSJ forms were simply not going to work. Forcing Vegeta to, once more, use a much more powerful state, in order to overwhelm Broly. As a SSG, this time the gap was too wide for Broly to quickly adapt to in his Base. For Kale and Caulifla though, they don't nearly have power to overcome even base Broly. And in Wrathful, they get destroyed.

Facts

God make it Kefla so she lasts 5 seconds.

I think ima have to go Broly straight up. That dude was just other level

I agree but in universe broly probably wins

@nassergrant19: That's besides the point, the point is that the Saiyans preferred to return to the fight as individuals, fusing was not their first choice.

Not like they used their strongest forms anyways.

Reikai is known for posting hilariously incorrect or twisted arguments that even engaging him is banging my head into a wall until I suffer brain damage. Reading his first sentence says enough about it. I'll pass.

@noobsnowman:

That's besides the point, the point is that the Saiyans preferred to return to the fight as individuals, fusing was not their first choice.

They were being pummeled and chose to leave…that tells you ALOT

@nassergrant19: Irrelevant. That does not change the fact that they initially wanted to re-enter the fight as individuals, and they only chose fusion after they had no beans.

So you thought they were capable of beating Broly like they were when he was shown to stalemate SSJ Gogeta?

@nassergrant19: I never said whether they could or could not. I was only addressing the other person's point when they said that they had no choice but to fuse, which is factually untrue because fusion was not the Saiyans' first choice. Whether they could defeat SSJ Broly as individuals is a different story altogether.

R1: goes to the girls

R2: goes to Broly

Broly scaling and Feat wise mops them both in both rounds