Broly Vs Jiren

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Poll: Broly Vs Jiren (196 votes)

Jiren 57%
Broly 43%

Replace Gokū and Vegeta from the new movie with Jiren.

The fight is to the death and everyone is going all out.

Simple and to the point.

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Limit breaking Jiren wins

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If Jiren just brawls with him I could see Broly making it close and possibly winning

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Got Jiren here

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Jiren stomps

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Broly disrespects and slams Jiren into paste.

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I am pretty positive Broly ragdolls.

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#9 emperorthanos-  Moderator  Online

Wait so Base Broly then since he replacing Goku and Vegeta? Jiren stomps

He still wins if it is full power broly

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Jiren is still the strongest.

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Broly bodies.

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#12  Edited By PapaRoni

Fusion is many times more powerful than any single combatant in the fusion could be. Even possibly UI Goku who was evenly matched with full powered Jiren. I do not see how, in any way, a boss from a previous arc could stand a chance against a much more powerful character from a future arc when the characters are obviously going to be more powerful than before. Broly was only even with about Gogeta SSJ1 which is already more of a match for Jiren. Jiren is absolutely decimated à la carte. Everyone who says otherwise is just fan boying Jiren up

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#13  Edited By Standardized

@paparoni said:

Fusion is many times more powerful than any single combatant in the fusion could be. Even possibly UI Goku who was evenly matched with full powered Jiren. I do not see how, in any way, a boss from a previous arc could stand a chance against a much more powerful character from a future arc when the characters are obviously going to be more powerful than before. Broly was only even with about Gogeta SSJ1 which is already more of a match for Jiren. Jiren is absolutely decimated à la carte. Everyone who says otherwise is just fan boying Jiren up

Not if the combatant has MUI.

Ui goku evenly matched with Jiren? When?

So going by your logic Beerus would lose to Goku black and Zamasu?

Jiren simply has better feats.

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I can't believe people are actually voting up Broly. Jiren pimp slaps so hard, even Shenron can't save him.

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It's hard to say considering the Broly movie sits at a weird place continuity wise. It wants to be a continuation of the anime, manga, and movies, all at the same time, with Goku and Vegeta just going SSB, but that is likely their max power for this movie, so it's kind of hard to compare when in the anime they have kaioken and SSBE, and in the manga they have mastered SSB and something similar to SSBE.

So if SSB Goku and Vegeta in the movie are equal with SSBKKx20 and SSBE in the anime, then Broly should win. If we consider this a direct continuation of the anime, and Goku and Vegeta just decided not to use their full power, then Jiren should be stronger.

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Jiren stomps, Broly got smacked around by god vegeta, while jiren caught god goku’s punch with a finger lmao.

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@standardized: you know beerus is constantly retconned to be stronger and stronger. Also the main character has to be and always is stronger than before to combat the next villian. The main character is always upgrading for the newest final villian, they never stay the same or choose a weaker character to fight the next villian. Its been this way since the beginning of Z

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Jiren kills Broly before he can even trigger his Super Saiyan state.

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Broly wins

He will just power up and over take him, being stronger isn't enough to beat Broly, and Jiren isn't showing much saying he can easily belt someone => Beerus

Broly was losing o base Vegeta yet he overtook him, was losing to SSJ Vegeta yet over took him, was losing to SSJ Gogeta yet overtook him. So being stronger isn't going to give you a victory, it depends on the gap in power, and unless their is evidence that Jiren is that much stronger then Broly then he loses

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Jiren by feats and scaling. Goku was not able to harm Jiren until he went SSBKKx20 where Jiren was CASUALLY handling him. Broly Oozaru is roughly equal to SSB Goku minus the x20 multiplier from Kaio Ken. Broly probably would not be able to harm Jiren until he went SSJ. SSJ Broly is probably a good bit stronger than SSBKKx20 Goku so Jiren would still handling him low/mid diff. If Broly goes LSSJ Jiren can probably still handle him w/o Awakening as he handled both Ultra Blue Vegeta and SSBKKx20 Goku simultaneously mid difficulty. Awakened Jiren absolutely stomps, though.

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Jiren.

It's not even close.

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Jiren with ease. Despite all the hype around SSBlue Gogeta, Mastered Ultra Instinct is still the most powerful transformation in the series, as it was implied from a very long time (since the ROF arc) that not even Beerus has mastered that state (instinctive and instanteneous movements) and DB has clearly portrayed that MUI is the be-all-end-all power level when it showed that all the Gods of Destructions stood up in awe when Goku achieved the form. Add the fact that it was being built up for so long in Super, and Whis' reactions when Goku got to it, it was clearly like the completion of a learning curve of training that Goku was into. Super clearly built it that way and when you take the fact that even the Gods showed respect to MUI Goku, it's obvious that MUI is the ultimate-peak of power.

And Jiren, in his Awakened form, was doing pretty good against MUI Goku, even managed to beat him down to the ground at a time--this feat for me, trumps everything from the Broly movie.

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Jiren would win because he is strong.

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Super Gogeta pimpslaps MUI Goku. Broly forced Gogeta to go all out.

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@reikai:

Super Gogeta pimpslaps MUI Goku

Regular SSJ? Why do you say this?

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@karkus: Goku & Vegeta are stronger post-ToP, SSJ Broly is so OP that their only option was Fusion, meaning that 20xKKBlue and SSBE aren't close to being sufficient for them to fight back. MUI is only a few times stronger than these forms at best as MUI wasn't about power, but extremely focused use of what power he did have. Nvm being heavily weakened by that point in the tournament. Whereas Fusion puts them back to full health and power, as well as multiplying their combined powers dozens of times over, making Base Gogeta stronger than both KKx20Blue Goku and SSBE Vegeta individually by a fair margin.

Broly entering his FPSSJ state was enough reason for Gogeta to head straight into Blue, completely overshooting both SS2, SS3 and SSG. Implying that Broly's power had grown sufficiently that the only way for Gogeta to have a one-sided edge over Broly was to skip ahead three full transformations, and we know for a fact SSG is significantly above SS3, given the hilarious ease in which Goku got smacked senseless by Beerus when he tried SS3.

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And since we know that when Goku went SSG he was actually able to make Beerus put some effort in, it rather definitely shows that SSG is a far stronger increase than SS3.

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@reikai:

Goku & Vegeta are stronger post-ToP

Vaguely. We know much time hasn't passed since the ToP though.

MUI is only a few times stronger than these forms at best

At best it dwarfs them, as it nullified Jiren's maximum power energy blast with a twitch of his fingers and completely stomped him, as well as only being slightly below LB Jiren, while regular Jiren could overpower SSBE Vegeta and SSJB KaiokenX20's strongest attacks.

as well as multiplying their combined powers dozens of times over, making Base Gogeta stronger than both KKx20Blue Goku and SSBE Vegeta individually by a fair margin.

They fused in base, and it's never stated to be a dozens of times multiplier. There isn't sufficient evidence that Base Gogeta is stronger than SSBE Vegeta and SSJB KaiokenX20, let alone by a notable margin.

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#30  Edited By reikai

@karkus:

Vaguely. We know much time hasn't passed since the ToP though.

It's been at least two months.

They fused in base, and it's never stated to be a dozens of times multiplier. There isn't sufficient evidence that Base Gogeta is stronger than SSBE Vegeta and SSJB KaiokenX20, let alone by a notable margin.

It's been openly stated by Toriyama that the metamuran Fusion is = to the Potara Fusion, which has been said to magnify their combined power tens of times over. Which is no different from saying dozens of times over. Base Gogeta was strong enough to deflect several attacks from SSJ Broly before the fight got serious.

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#31  Edited By Karkus

@reikai:

It's been at least two months.

Proof? We also don't know how much they've grown in that time.

It's been openly stated by Toriyama that the metamuran Fusion is = to the Potara Fusion,

Do you have proof that the V-Jump article you are referring to was created by Toryiama? Toryiama isn't usually involved in jump. And according to KenXyro, it's not talking about in a power level sense.

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Daizenshuu however, something which we know Toriyama supervised and approves of, says this.

To use them, the two people who will merge simply have to each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion.

Also, recent V-Jump has been more unreliable than ever, even claiming SSJ3 Goku=Buuhan.

power tens of times over. Which is no different from saying dozens of times over

Dozens of times > tens of times. 2 Dozen > 2 sets of then. 12 > 10.

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@karkus:

Proof?

Bulla's hair has grown out and been styled. She was days old when the ToP happened.

Do you have proof that the V-Jump article was created by Toryiama? Toryiama isn't usually involved in jump.

People interview Toriyama and it was Toriyama who redesigned Gogeta and the Fusion and how it works. The point was to make it as effective as the Potara. Most of what people try to dig up are his interviews from 2013 when talking about the Potara Fusion during the Buu arc. And if we look at the CB article, it actually states that Fusion is superior to Potara.

Dozens of times > tens of times. 2 Dozen > 2 sets of then. 12 > 10.

10's can be more than 20. There really isn't much of a difference. They're both statements of expressions of power.

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#33  Edited By Karkus

@reikai:

Bulla's hair has grown out and been styled. She was days old when the ToP happened.

That's fair, but we still don't know how much they've grown power wise.

People interview Toriyama

That article wasn't based on an Interview for Potara.

The point was to make it as effective as the Potara.

That's only ever stated by V-Jump. According to Kenxyro, it's not talking about in terms of power.

And if we look at the CB article, it actually states that Fusion is superior to Potara.

Them saying this?

Fusion is harder to pull off, and last a much shorter time than Potara, but the power that is achieved is much, much, greater

Is a completely fanmade assertion not supported by any V-Jump articles and actually contradicts the Daizenshuu.

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I don't recall Broly doing anything in that movie that Jiren couldn't replicate or surpass. Broly beat Goku and Vegeta in Blue. Jiren beat Goku Blue W/ Kaioken and Vegeta Ascended Blue. Jiren beat Freiza out of Gold in minutes. Broly Couldn't even beat Freiza in over an entire hour.

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@karkus:

That's fair, but we still don't know how much they've grown power wise.

And we won't know specifics until the next arc or until they fight Universe 11 again. But it is a fact that they are stronger and they weren't fatigued from continuous battles. Instead they were beaten more by Broly within a few minutes than by every person they fought during the ToP.

It's also very clear that Goku and Vegeta are training together regularly, if not every day. Which is the most effective for both of them. Freeza is also indicated to be stronger and it's suggested that Freeza is stronger than them in their SSB forms, which was also indicated in RoF, just at the time Freeza hadn't adjusted to the power drain. And at the end of the SBM (Super Broly Movie), Freeza states that no matter how much he raises his power, he can't beat his nemesis (Goku and Vegeta), because of the fact he learned about their Fusion. Meaning even if he were stronger than them individually, they could just fuse and curbstomp him. Hence why he still wants Broly, since Broly was still comparable to Gogeta despite having lost in the end, with Freeza noting that Broly still had tremendous untapped potential.

That's only ever stated by V-Jump. According to Kenxyro, it's not talking about in terms of power.

And he's not an authority.

Is a completely fanmade assertion not supported by any V-Jump articles and actually contradicts the Daizenshuu.

The Daizenshuu is decades out of date and does not get updated. The issue has been discussed on the forums of Kanzenshuu in the DBS Broly movie thread concerning the Fusion and it's been made clear that it's at least equal to Potara. People keep looking back at the older articles. However, they also say that Gogeta would win in a short fight, but Vegitto would win in a long fight, because Fusion has a shorter time limit. That was from the 1995 Shonen Jump Article.

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Jiren beat Freiza out of Gold in minutes.

Seconds, actually. The entirety of episode 127 took place in a minute.

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@jack_hart: And that's meaningless as Freeza was already suffering after getting his golden backside handed to him by Hakaishin Toppo. Which was also due to him massively underestimating the Hakai power after his encounter with Sidra's goons, of which only one had a very tiny portion of Hakai energy.

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@reikai said:

@jack_hart: And that's meaningless as Freeza was already suffering after getting his golden backside handed to him by Hakaishin Toppo. Which was also due to him massively underestimating the Hakai power after his encounter with Sidra's goons, of which only one had a very tiny portion of Hakai energy.

Jiren > Toppo so yeah.

And Toppo still massively outclassed frieza

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Jiren. People are just hyped because of the movie.

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I don't understand where people are getting this imaginary "rule" that the following antagonist is ALWAYS stronger than the previous one. I've seen this sad argument used in favor of Broly over Jiren several times now as if people forget that Golden Frieza was the follow up antagonist to Beerus....

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Jiren

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I think we're all forgetting Jiren wasn't trying to kill, he held back!

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I think we're all forgetting Jiren wasn't trying to kill, he held back!

So was everyone else in the tournament. :P

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@wolfrazer: I think his point was that Jiren was holding back during his fight against Goku/Vegeta. But Broly was not holding anything back during his fight.

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#46  Edited By Hypnos0929

@wolfrazer: My point is, Jiren could've probably killed everyone there. There's a reason why Hit was matching SSB Kioken in the tournament but effortlessly killed Goku when he was tasked to. I doubt Jiren will fight the same when he realizes Broly is a killing machine.

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Jiren wins and with ease. Broly's showings didn't live up to the hype and certainly are not measuring up to Jiren's.

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Broly fighting a guy who Base form >> SSJB Goku >>> any feat Jiren has preformed

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@u_wot_m8 said:

Broly fighting a guy who Base form >> SSJB Goku >>> any feat Jiren has preformed

This.