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#1 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18312 posts) - - Show Bio

Broly

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Beerus

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  • Both are going all out
  • Fight takes place on an indestructible Earth

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#3 Posted by cromulor (2202 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku seemed to trip Broly up a lot with skill. I think Beerus can do the same thing. It won’t be an easy battle, but I’m backing him.

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#4 Posted by Aka_aka_aka_ak (2958 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku thought LSSJ Broly was probably more powerful than Beerus. So let's interpret that as Broly being slightly more powerful than Beerus. Beerus however is massively more skilled than Broly to a laughable degree. Beerus wins more often than not.

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#5 Posted by DevoidRuby (314 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd back Beerus honestly. Broly got caught up a lot by Goku's techniques so I think Beerus's superior skill probably overcomes that power gap.

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#6 Posted by jashro44 (52339 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus. Even if Broly is stronger its not by much (and we don't know for sure if Broly is stronger than Beerus). Beerus has hakai and I think he has more discipline than Broly despite his incredible power talent.

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#7 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18312 posts) - - Show Bio

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#8 Posted by reikai (7467 posts) - - Show Bio

One thing that was apparent was that Beerus adapted very quickly to both Vegeta and Goku's style of fighting. Goku did have the skill advantage over Broly initially while in SSG, but that barely lasted a minute before Broly completely overtook him and began to completely beat Goku into a senseless heap. Not only that, but the Restraining Field Goku used on Broly was turned back on him, showing that Broly can copy, or at least imitate, skills and techniques that he has seen or been exposed to.

What they found amazing was that this was literally Broly's first real fight. Freeza even commenting that Paragus combat training with Broly amounted to effectively nothing because of how pathetically weak Paragus was. Despite it appearing that Broly was just a rage monster once he was in his Rage Form, he was still able to observe Goku and imitate his fighting stance just before they started fighting. Which shows that Broly was still very observant and picking things up on instinct alone.

And make no mistake, Broly was competing against SSB Gogeta. Gogeta had to keep pulling out more attacks and more power to overcome Broly's sheer beastial rage and force. His Soul Punisher move couldn't put him down. Hell it only pushed Broly into his Full Power state. Gogeta had to finish the fight quickly by the end, lest Broly keep growing stronger, because Broly wasn't stopping no matter what Gogeta did or how much damage he inflicted. Broly tanked everything and kept on truckin.

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#9 Posted by WhatamIseeing (1657 posts) - - Show Bio

Broly. Goku said he is probably stronger meaning Broly and Beerus are either equal or Broly is stronger. Broly becomes a better fighter within seconds and continuously gets stronger. The gap between them only grows as the fight goes on.

Unless Beerus repeatedly uses hakai within the first 5 minutes hes losing

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#10 Edited by jashro44 (52339 posts) - - Show Bio

Broly. Goku said he is probably stronger meaning Broly and Beerus are either equal or Broly is stronger. Broly becomes a better fighter within seconds and continuously gets stronger. The gap between them only grows as the fight goes on.

Unless Beerus repeatedly uses hakai within the first 5 minutes hes losing

Broly doesn't just grow in power indefinitely. Its why frieza killed Paragus because he needed to become a ssj to get stronger.

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#11 Posted by reikai (7467 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: No, that wasn't the reason. He did want to see how powerful it would make him, but given that SSB Goku was still being beaten by RSSJ Broly and the moment Broly turned SSJ that Vegeta had to go Blue and double-team Broly, only for the both of them to be completely trounced indicated how poor of a decision that was. Especially when Goku and Vegeta led Broly directly into Freeza. Resulting in the space tyrant getting utterly cubstomped by the unstoppable train that is Broly.

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#12 Posted by jashro44 (52339 posts) - - Show Bio

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@jashro44: No, that wasn't the reason. He did want to see how powerful it would make him, but given that SSB Goku was still being beaten by RSSJ Broly and the moment Broly turned SSJ that Vegeta had to go Blue and double-team Broly, only for the both of them to be completely trounced indicated how poor of a decision that was. Especially when Goku and Vegeta led Broly directly into Freeza. Resulting in the space tyrant getting utterly cubstomped by the unstoppable train that is Broly.

No he definitely hit his limit. Frieza said "has he finally hit his limit this time?" And paragus said yes. So frieza killed him so he could become a ssj.

And no Goku was actually not being beaten by base Broly at that moment. We see him hit Broly and send him flying, screen cuts to frieza killing paragus, and we cut back and see Goku fighting as equals before Frieza points out Paragus has died.

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#13 Posted by WhatamIseeing (1657 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: yes he does when in the movie does anyone say it doesnt. why would it just randomly stop anyways?, saiyans dont have limits either.

Broly didnt need to turn SS it was a draw at the moment, freeza asked paragus a question paragus doesnt know the answer to and then freeza remembered how saiyans turn SS so he shot Paragus there was no need freeza wanted immediate results.

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#14 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18312 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:
@reikai said:

@jashro44: No, that wasn't the reason. He did want to see how powerful it would make him, but given that SSB Goku was still being beaten by RSSJ Broly and the moment Broly turned SSJ that Vegeta had to go Blue and double-team Broly, only for the both of them to be completely trounced indicated how poor of a decision that was. Especially when Goku and Vegeta led Broly directly into Freeza. Resulting in the space tyrant getting utterly cubstomped by the unstoppable train that is Broly.

No he definitely hit his limit. Frieza said "has he finally hit his limit this time?" And paragus said yes. So frieza killed him so he could become a ssj.

And no Goku was actually not being beaten by base Broly at that moment. We see him hit Broly and send him flying, screen cuts to frieza killing paragus, and we cut back and see Goku fighting as equals before Frieza points out Paragus has died.

To be fair Paragus clearly didn't actually know what Broly's true limit was. He thought Broly reached his limit when SSG Vegeta was beating Broly, but we know that Broly gotten stronger given that he literally no sold Vegeta's punch not long afterwards.

Since Broly has never gotten to truly test himself against a strong opponent before Vegeta or Goku it makes sense that Paragus wouldn't know Broly's true power.

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#15 Posted by jashro44 (52339 posts) - - Show Bio

@whatamiseeing:

yes he does when in the movie does anyone say it doesnt. why would it just randomly stop anyways?,

Literally just before Frieza kills Paragus he asks if Broly hit his limits.

saiyans dont have limits either.

Broly can get stronger if he trains. I think the reason Broly was getting stronger during the fights was because he was unlocking his latent power during the fight. Broly had never been challenged before so it makes sense he would get stronger while he fights like that. But I think to get stronger he has to train like everyone else.

Broly didnt need to turn SS it was a draw at the moment, freeza asked paragus a question paragus doesnt know the answer to and then freeza remembered how saiyans turn SS so he shot Paragus there was no need freeza wanted immediate results.

He asked if Broly hit his limit and Paragus said yes. There is no reason to assume Paragus was wrong.

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#16 Posted by jashro44 (52339 posts) - - Show Bio

To be fair Paragus clearly didn't actually know what Broly's true limit was. He thought Broly reached his limit when SSG Vegeta was beating Broly, but we know that Broly gotten stronger given that he literally no sold Vegeta's punch not long afterwards.

Since Broly has never gotten to truly test himself against a strong opponent before Vegeta or Goku it makes sense that Paragus wouldn't know Broly's true power.

Yea but as I said there was no reason to assume Paragus was wrong the second time. He wasn't shown to get stronger until he became a ssj.

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#17 Posted by reikai (7467 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Paragus couldn't really follow the battle. He thought Broly was done for when Vegeta went SSJ, and instead Broly just kept improving. Then he thought Broly was dead when Vegeta went SSG, only to, of course, be surprised by Broly's survival and immense powerup. Which Paragus could only surmise as Broly being able to use the Oozaru power without becoming an Oozaru. It was his only guess.

Paragus then proceeded to believe Broly had peaked again right after words when Goku went SSG, only for Goku to then get beaten into the ground, and again when Goku turned Blue, and yet Broly continued to get stronger and stronger. Freeza just wanted to see the upper limit of Broly's power and figured the only way to do that was to trigger Broly into becoming a Super Saiyan. Which completely backfired in Freeza's face when Broly proceeded to literally stomp Freeza into the ground. Which was one of the funniest moments in the entire film.

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#18 Posted by jashro44 (52339 posts) - - Show Bio

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@jashro44: Paragus couldn't really follow the battle. He thought Broly was done for when Vegeta went SSJ, and instead Broly just kept improving. Then he thought Broly was dead when Vegeta went SSG, only to, of course, be surprised by Broly's survival and immense powerup. Which Paragus could only surmise as Broly being able to use the Oozaru power without becoming an Oozaru. It was his only guess.

Yes Broly had a lot of powers Paragus didn't know about. He wasn't shown to get stronger until after becoming a ssj and there is no hint that suggests Broly would keep growing.

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Paragus then proceeded to believe Broly had peaked again right after words when Goku went SSG, only for Goku to then get beaten into the ground, and again when Goku turned Blue, and yet Broly continued to get stronger and stronger. Freeza just wanted to see the upper limit of Broly's power and figured the only way to do that was to trigger Broly into becoming a Super Saiyan.

I would say we saw the limits to Broly's base form and Frieza knew it which is why he needed Broly to become a ssj. Paragus had been wrong before but unlike the other instances you mentioned nothing really contradicts Broly reaching his limits prior to becoming a ssj.

We really can't quantify Brolys growth. We don't know if Broly is going to continue to grow stronger in battle. I would say the reason Broly kept getting stronger was because goku and Vegeta kept pushing him to his limits, and broly had never properly been tested. So when push came to shove Broly unlocked a lot of his potential during the fight.

But I don't think we can assume Broyls potential is limitless and I don't think that was what was suggested in the film either. All I am saying is we can only judge Broly based on the power he has shown.

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Which completely backfired in Freeza's face when Broly proceeded to literally stomp Freeza into the ground. Which was one of the funniest moments in the entire film.

I agree. That was funny. I'm wondering if Frieza will be more mischievous in the future or if he is going to be a threat in later stories.

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#19 Posted by WhatamIseeing (1657 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: paragus thought Broly hit his limit 2-3 times he doesnt know anything thats clear. He didnt know about SS and definitely didnt know Broly was the LSS

Also Goku said that Broly was getting stronger after turning Super Saiyan. It didnt stop growing

No it wasn’t latent power of his base form

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#20 Posted by oceanmaster21 (15242 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus ftw

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#21 Posted by jashro44 (52339 posts) - - Show Bio

@whatamiseeing:

paragus thought Broly hit his limit 2-3 times he doesnt know anything thats clear. He didnt know about SS and definitely didnt know Broly was the LSS

As I said what reason is there to assume he was wrong? Broly was not shown to increase further after that point until he became a ssj.

Also Goku said that Broly was getting stronger after turning Super Saiyan. It didnt stop growing

When Broly unlocked his ssj transformation due to anger he would have more latent power in that form.

No it wasn’t latent power of his base form

Latent by definition means "hidden" or "concealed". So yes it was Broly unlocking more of his latent power which is something done before in dragon ball. That's why Frieza knew Broly would learn while he fights. Because he knew that Broly had never been properly tested.

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#23 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18312 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:
@thewatcherking said:

To be fair Paragus clearly didn't actually know what Broly's true limit was. He thought Broly reached his limit when SSG Vegeta was beating Broly, but we know that Broly gotten stronger given that he literally no sold Vegeta's punch not long afterwards.

Since Broly has never gotten to truly test himself against a strong opponent before Vegeta or Goku it makes sense that Paragus wouldn't know Broly's true power.

Yea but as I said there was no reason to assume Paragus was wrong the second time. He wasn't shown to get stronger until he became a ssj.

I don't want to argue on my own thread but if he was wrong multiple times what reason is there to take his word as gospel?

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#24 Posted by MainJP (5912 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus out skills him.

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#25 Posted by jashro44 (52339 posts) - - Show Bio

@thewatcherking: Because there using his and Friezas interaction as exposition. No alternative is offered.

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#26 Edited by noobsnowman (3616 posts) - - Show Bio

Broly is not stronger than Beerus, lol. Broly's SSJ form couldn't easily defeat Frieza and is only marginally better than two exhausted SSBs, and his LSSJ form isn't that much more powerful than that. In addition, as some people have already pointed out, Beerus is a much more seasoned fighter while Broly only relies on power, which plays to Beerus' advantage. It's pretty hilarious that people take Goku's quote face value when Goku dosen't even know how strong Beerus really is at 100%. That is why Goku is only speculating, not confirming.

Beerus wins, and it's not particularly close either.

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#27 Posted by huthimamwa (2411 posts) - - Show Bio

Freiza fought raged out SSJ Broly for over and hour straight by himself and didn't even get knocked out of his golden form. That's longer than the duration of the entire Tournament of Power that Freiza fought Broly. I don't see Freiza replicating that against Beerus.

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#28 Posted by Etherious (239 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus, he's way more experienced than Broly.

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#29 Posted by Nomar (1744 posts) - - Show Bio

We have no idea what a full power and wrathful Beerus looks like and Goku is talking out of his ass since he has no idea what it looks like either.

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#30 Posted by Nefarious (35649 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus. His hakai finishes Broly.

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Anyone who says Beerus has legit never watched the movie at all, and has no idea on what they are talking about.

Wtf is Beerus going to do to Broly ? Broly was losing to SSJ Vegeta and then caught up and overpowered him, Vegeta had out skilled him but he learned as he fought and caught up quickly, wtf is Beerus, someone Goku in the movie and novel stated to be probably stronger then Beerus, is going to do to someone like Broly ? Beerus loses form the start and only gets worse as the fight goes on, turning into a stomp shortly after.

Skill lmfao seriously like skill meant anything to Broly at all besides the Base Vegeta vs Base Broly fight at the start.

Broly is not stronger than Beerus, lol. Broly's SSJ form couldn't easily defeat Frieza and is only marginally better than two exhausted SSBs, and his LSSJ form isn't that much more powerful than that. In addition, as some people have already pointed out, Beerus is a much more seasoned fighter while Broly only relies on power, which plays to Beerus' advantage. It's pretty hilarious that people take Goku's quote face value when Goku dosen't even know how strong Beerus really is at 100%. That is why Goku is only speculating, not confirming.

Beerus wins, and it's not particularly close either.

Are you legit being serious with the bullshit you spewed right now ?

Frieza surviving is nothing but PIS for fusion, if that;s the case, then no one stronger can kill Frieza despite Trunks and Goku twice proving that wrong, and how was Vegeta exhausted when he watched most of the fight ? Want to add your head canon crap and say Vegeta is > Goku because they were exhausted ?

And wtf lol SSJ Broly was losing to SSJ Gogeta but when he powered up into FP SSJ, he tanked and steam rolled Gogeta SSJ, and Gogeta jumped straight into blue, which then Broly even took multiple attacks like barrage of blast and soul punisher and still kept on fighting and even powered up, hell, Broly didn't even fall to his knees, so bullshit it ins't a huge difference in strength. Vegeta was a seasoned fighter, where was that skill when Broly adapted to him at the beginning ?

Beerus showed his full power in the manga in the battle royal, plus he fought Jiren who was at that tier of power, so no, Broly is => Beerus. Novel, Saiko Jump and Movie confirms that.

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#33 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18312 posts) - - Show Bio

@u_wot_m8:

wtf is Beerus, someone Goku in the movie and novel stated to be probably stronger then Beerus

Is there any proof that the novel is canon? Just out of curiosity.

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#34 Posted by Karkus (688 posts) - - Show Bio

Broly. Beerus lacks the feats or statements to be stronger.

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#35 Posted by Karkus (688 posts) - - Show Bio

@noobsnowman:

and his LSSJ form isn't that much more powerful than that.

Why? I don't recall any comparison between LSSJ and SSJ being made.

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@u_wot_m8:

wtf is Beerus, someone Goku in the movie and novel stated to be probably stronger then Beerus

Is there any proof that the novel is canon? Just out of curiosity.

Yes, Akira was involved with it

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#37 Posted by AlexTheBoss (17366 posts) - - Show Bio

Broly feat and statement wise is stronger, but Beerus is a better fighter and has better techniques. Could go either way as of now.

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#38 Posted by BillyBickle (423 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus wins hell goku and vegeta are still scared of him. Broly is nothing but a powerful novice who would get schooled real quick. Then if you think frieza lasting over a hour was pis then your retarded because that makes the whole movie pis.

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#39 Posted by huthimamwa (2411 posts) - - Show Bio

@billybickle: he's just crying PIS because it disputes his arguments. Hahah.

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#40 Posted by GohanDorado (374 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus Curbs.

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#41 Edited by Omega_kai (3162 posts) - - Show Bio

Broly

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#42 Posted by AllHellKingDox (257 posts) - - Show Bio

Broly wins. Beerus power level is being dragged on because he should have been surpassed.

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#44 Edited by GoD_Beerus (96 posts) - - Show Bio

I Win In a Hard Fight.