Brandon Breyer (Brightburn) vs. Eleven (Stranger Things)

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  • Random encounter
  • Basic knowledge
  • Win by any means
  • Bloodlusted
  • Takes place in the streets of NY
  • Start 50 ft apart

R1: Eleven gets the first attack

R2: Brandon gets the first attack

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#2 Wabubub  Online

Brandon both rounds at absolute no difficulty unless Eleven got the most absolutely ridiculous power ups in the new season. I haven't watched it yet.

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#3 Lucifer10  Online

Can we use the feats in the end of the movie of brightburn?

If so, then he should stomps her very badly.

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#4  Edited By fuse106

If El manages to fully control her TK, BB doesn't stand a chance, otherwise BB stomps.

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@fuse106 said:

If El manages to fully control her TK, BB doesn't stand a chance

Considering her TK isn't even potent enough to damage Brandon he stomps her with or without Eleven controlling her TK

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Brandon stomps

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@x-lord16: Creating gates between worlds and seeing into people require much more power than she would use in a random fight. El's full power when unleashed would obliterate BB.

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Yeah, i don't see how Brandon doesn't just godstomp this by chucking cars and busses at her.

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@fuse106 said:

@x-lord16: Creating gates between worlds and seeing into people require much more power than she would use in a random fight. El's full power when unleashed would obliterate BB.

That's TP not TK.

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El has never shown the destructive power to harm something as durable as Brandon. She has no way of doing him any damage, he’s invulnerable.

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@x-lord16: TP, TK, doesn't matter. It's about the amount of energy she is capable of manifesting. Can BB open a portal?

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@fuse106 said:

@x-lord16: TP, TK, doesn't matter. It's about the amount of energy she is capable of manifesting. Can BB open a portal?

It does matter because if that level of power isn't even tangible , it doesn't help Eleven in this fight.

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@x-lord16: Why not? She has the energy, what's stopping her from concentrating all of it on her TK? All in all if she is focused enough, she has what it takes to overpower Brandon.

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@fuse106: And before that BB would blitze and decapitate her or roast her with his laser.

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R1 - El one-shots.

R2 - Brandon one-shots.

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#17  Edited By AKZ
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El has never shown the destructive power to harm something as durable as Brandon. She has no way of doing him any damage, he’s invulnerable.

Energy required to rip a hole in space-time to a different dimension>>>Brandon’s durability. This specific feat is even quantified many times over, and she is outright stated to be more powerful than an ICBM. Before you try say she cannot use this energy on an actual object, she literally creates this massive energy and displays it upon something to open the portals, she used to same energy to vaporise the Demogorgon (and opened a portal) and also vaporising 001’s physical body from the real world to the Upside Down. So yeah, she one-shots in the round where she makes the first move, rather than getting blitzed.

Brandon is ‘invulnerable’ in the way that his durability is magnitudes higher than normal humans. He still felt and was slightly hurt by a sniper round close range. He also bled from falling on a sharp material from the space pod he came in.

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@fuse106: And before that BB would blitze and decapitate her or roast her with his laser.

Not in r1 where she is explicitly making first move.

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@akz said:
@thegamerpage said:

El has never shown the destructive power to harm something as durable as Brandon. She has no way of doing him any damage, he’s invulnerable.

He also bled from falling on a sharp material from the space pod he came in.

My understanding is/was that that's because it's exotic metal and unique to that specifik spacecraft. That's how i remember it being implied. Almost the Brightburn version of Kryptonite, except it's physical rather than AoE.

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@fuse106 said:

@x-lord16: Why not? She has the energy, what's stopping her from concentrating all of it on her TK? All in all if she is focused enough, she has what it takes to overpower Brandon.

She's never used that energy offenisvely or for TK , simply having that level of power doesn't matter if it's not tangible.

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@akz:

Energy required to rip a hole in space-time to a different dimension>>>Brandon’s durability.

She's never used that energy offensively so it doesn't help her here.

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@x-lord16: Didn't she use it on a demogorgon? As far as I remember she went all phoenix jean there.

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For all Els power feats, she couldn’t even handle the slightly enhanced mind flayer possessed Billy.

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@fuse106: The demogorgon has fodder durability compared to Brandon. El simply has never used her portal creating power offensively, we go with offensive feats that have been shown , not hypotheticals. Based of the offensive feats Els shown , her TK isn't potent enough to damage Brandon in any way.

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@x-lord16 said:

@akz:

Energy required to rip a hole in space-time to a different dimension>>>Brandon’s durability.

She's never used that energy offensively so it doesn't help her here.

Because she never needed to? She doesn’t have crazy powers differentiating from her normal TK to open portals. It’s all raw power and explained in science in the show itself. In fact, she has used it offensively twice, once against 001 back in ‘79 and again to the Demogorgon in ‘83.

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@cergic said:
@akz said:
@thegamerpage said:

El has never shown the destructive power to harm something as durable as Brandon. She has no way of doing him any damage, he’s invulnerable.

He also bled from falling on a sharp material from the space pod he came in.

My understanding is/was that that's because it's exotic metal and unique to that specifik spacecraft. That's how i remember it being implied. Almost the Brightburn version of Kryptonite, except it's physical rather than AoE.

Yeah that’s what I meant, it’s why I explicitly mentioned material from his space pod rather than random metal. I’d expect people would understand what I meant by his pod if they watched the movie.

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Brandon destroys and blitzes

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#28  Edited By AKZ
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@fuse106: The demogorgon has fodder durability compared to Brandon. El simply has never used her portal creating power offensively, we go with offensive feats that have been shown , not hypotheticals. Based of the offensive feats Els shown , her TK isn't potent enough to damage Brandon in any way.

No, she literally used the portal opening equivalent energy when she opened the portal upon vaporising the Demogorgon. Legit opened the portal on the Demogorgon’s chest, until it vaporised and she went through to the Upside Down. Literally no way around it. Stop flinging headcanon all around here.

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@akz: She uses TK to rip the Demogorgon apart , but again the Demogorgon is nowhere near as durable as Brandon. OP says she gets the first attack not the first few, the moment she beings to try and rip Brandon apart and pins him down , that's her first attack. Brandon simply responds and one shots with HV. And again El doesn't use that energy offensively for standard attacks she's only used that once to fight Vecna , while fighting a teen that looks like her age I don't see why she'd randomly use that. Her go go would TK attacks and like I've already mentioned her TK lacks the potency to damage Brandon.

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@x-lord16 said:

@akz: She uses TK to rip the Demogorgon apart , but again the Demogorgon is nowhere near as durable as Brandon. OP says she gets the first attack not the first few, the moment she beings to try and rip Brandon apart and pins him down , that's her first attack. Brandon simply responds and one shots with HV. And again El doesn't use that energy offensively for standard attacks she's only used that once to fight Vecna , while fighting a teen that looks like her age I don't see why she'd randomly use that. Her go go would TK attacks and like I've already mentioned her TK lacks the potency to damage Brandon.

Again, she used the energy to vaporise the Demogorgon, concurrently opening the portal literally on it. Demo does not have to be as durable as Brandon, point is that she can use the same energy to open portals on beings and objects, and so applies in combat. Her opening the portals aren’t multiple attacks, it’s a singular one lol tf? OP says Bloodlusted and it’s now commonly known she taps into her absolute pinnacle state of power when in rage (recalling memories to boost her rage which enhance her powers). This happened twice when she was Bloodlusted and/or in rage, first using the rage to open the first ever portal to the UD, then again when vaping the Demo and going through the portal, and her best feat of force closing the massive gate on the Mind Flayer true form (this specific feat would require magnitudes more energy than opening standard portals due to size). She clearly has the TK feats, you just haven’t been paying attention when she literally opens portals on beings (them not being able to withstand it vaporises them completely). So yeah, in R1, El has first move and kills Brandon straight up easily, he can’t blitz or HV due to her having first move so is helpless. R2, I agree he does either of those before she can get an attack away.

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@akz:

she used the energy to vaporise the Demogorgon, concurrently opening the portal literally on it. Demo does not have to be as durable as Brandon, point is that she can use the same energy to open portals on beings and objects, and so applies in combat.

Again she's never used that level of power in a singular attack , her go to is TK.

Her opening the portals aren’t multiple attacks, it’s a singular one lol tf?

No it isn't , she clearly pushed/restrained the Demogorgon with TK and then proceeded to create the portal , those are 2 attacks. If she tries to do that to Brandon he'll no sell her intial TK attack , blitz and one shot her.

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#33  Edited By AKZ

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Again she's never used that level of power in a singular attack , her go to is TK.

What can you not comprehend? She uses her TK to open portals. Dafuq. It’s the literal energy she draws from her TK to open the portals. Brenner even talks about her TK reaching new levels back in ‘79 when she did that.

No it isn't , she clearly pushed/restrained the Demogorgon with TK and then proceeded to create the portal , those are 2 attacks. If she tries to do that to Brandon he'll no sell her intial TK attack , blitz and one shot her.

Someone can’t use their eyes. She opened the portal (the literal glowing white hole we see opening) on the Demo’s chest and after it vaporised she was in the Upside Down. None of this matters now though, since Demo has better durability feats than Brandon now; no-selling 4 different soldiers shooting it with their ARs at once. El was also more powerful than post-UD Vecna who caused a Magnitude/Richter 7.4 Earthquake, which is in the megatons of TNT range.

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R1: It depends on whether El opens up a portal on Brandon. If she doesn't start with that she dies.

R2: Brandon blitzes and splatters her.

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@rizaadxn said:

R1: It depends on whether El opens up a portal on Brandon. If she doesn't start with that she dies.

R2: Brandon blitzes and splatters her.

For R1, since she’s Bloodlusted, she would use the pinnacle of her powers; that is using enough energy through TK to open rifts. It’d vaporise Brandon.

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@akz:

What can you not comprehend? She uses her TK to open portals

Not for an initial attack , she consistently starts of with TK for first attacks.

She opened the portal

Yes after she had used TK to pin the demorgon to the wall. OP says El gets the first attack , my argument is simply that she's never used Portal creation for a first attack , even against the Demogorgon she pinned it to the wall with TK before creating a portal. Her go to intial attack is TK , El's TK simply isn't potent enough to do any meaningful damage to Brandon. Brandon no sells her TK blitzes and proceeds to one shot.

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Not for an initial attack , she consistently starts of with TK for first attacks.

What?

Yes after she had used TK to pin the demorgon to the wall.

Ok? She only used TK to stop it from moving since her friends were around.

OP says El gets the first attack , my argument is simply that she's never used Portal creation for a first attack ,

How can you divide her ragdolling the Demo & vaping it into two attacks? Literally how? It’s Telekinesis, an invisible force thingy, how do you divide it into attacks like you count punches?

even against the Demogorgon she pinned it to the wall with TK before creating a portal. Her go to intial attack is TK , El's TK simply isn't potent enough to do any meaningful damage to Brandon.

Except her opening the portals is her TK, as mentioned a plethora of times. She yields enough energy from her offensive TK to open multi-dimensional portals on beings.

Brandon no sells her TK blitzes and proceeds to one shot.

Brandon gets vaped by her TK. His best feat is plummeting through a small building. More energy than humanity as a whole could produce in the 80s>>>Brandon.

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She only used TK to stop it from moving since her friends were around.

That's fine and all , it doesn't change my point in the slightest.

How can you divide her ragdolling the Demo & vaping it into two attacks

Because there's a clear difference between pinning/restraining someone with TK and creating a portal within someone's body.

Except her opening the portals is her TK, as mentioned a plethora of times.

Again , El has never started the fight with portal creation. Whether you consider it to be TK or not changes nothing , it isn't El's go to first attack.

Brandon gets vaped by her TK.

Her TK isn't potent enough to do any meaningful damage to Brandon. Her only method of harming him is portal creation , something that she's never used at the start of any of her fights.

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That's fine and all , it doesn't change my point in the slightest.

It does, since you’re splitting it up into two attacks as if the power levels vary.

Because there's a clear difference between pinning/restraining someone with TK and creating a portal within someone's body.

Indeed, but you’re missing my main point; the portal opening isn’t a misc ability but her actual TK, she can use this level of energy in combat in any way, incl ragdolling and/or the vaping.

Again , El has never started the fight with portal creation. Whether you consider it to be TK or not changes nothing , it isn't El's go to first attack.

Because she never needed to? This is bloodlusted, not in character where she is holding back + confirmed to have a lost level of her power unconsciously. Bloodlust unlocks the level of power to a whole different magnitude.

Her TK isn't potent enough to do any meaningful damage to Brandon. Her only method of harming him is portal creation , something that she's never used at the start of any of her fights.

Bro... what are you struggling to comprehend here? You are stating this portal creation ability in a way that it’s like a different power, it isn’t. It’s her TK, which she can use on command in bloodlust casually. Vecna, who stated he absorbed her level of power to be able to open portals, managed to open 4, 1 for each kill he made (easily at that), and caused a 7.4 magnitude Earthquake across all of Hawkins. This comes to the multi-megaton range. Brandon gets atomised.

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the eleven downplay is crazy. she thinks and then this man get reduced to atoms.

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#43  Edited By HydratedFubuki6

They can one shot each other

Brandon can blitz via heat vision

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@akz: even if she gets the first attack there’s nothing she can do. She struggled with a helicopter when bloodlusted. He no sells her push or attempted neck snap then pastes her

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brandon blitzes her

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@ajak_xiv said:

@akz: even if she gets the first attack there’s nothing she can do. She struggled with a helicopter when bloodlusted. He no sells her push or attempted neck snap then pastes her

She wasn’t bloodlusted & didn‘t struggle at all. Even if we say she did, the show confirmed she reached a peak level in 1979 but when she fell comatose she lost that peak. When in bloodlust or in a great state of emotion, she breaks the limits and goes beyond. They stated she was more powerful than an ICBM & her opening portals to the upside down was stated to be only possible if you had more energy than current humanity (1983). The magnetic field of her portals alone is stated to be more powerful than the normal planetary magnetic field. Multiple times has she used that level of energy (equivalent to opening portals) offensively when she opens portals on beings and atomises them. Brandon can’t tank shit. Even if we just go off the helicopter feat, what feat does he even have above that? Clutching the back of his head in pain from a sniper round?