Boros and Garou both at their very best VS Final Form 50% Power Frieza
this is freezer saga freezer
fight takes place on namek
freezer plays with them team tries to kill freezer
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Boros and Garou both at their very best VS Final Form 50% Power Frieza
this is freezer saga freezer
fight takes place on namek
freezer plays with them team tries to kill freezer
Frieza wins via ki blasts, but the team can out do Frieza in h2h combat so Frieza needs to be careful.
By feats OPM team at peak power are way stronger and more durable than 50% frieza (and everyone that he fought). op also says
@lettsplay10 said:
freezer plays with them team tries to kill freezer
so I'm assuming team is bloodlusted and Frieza isn't. They should be able to blitz. However, by now I've learned that on this site you're not allowed to say DBZ loses.
Freeza busts planets casually in his first form. The only possible way he loses is if he doesn't take the entire fight seriously and doesn't get pissed off.
Frieza stomps.
Frieza stomps.
Freeza destroys Namek again.
Try Saiyan Saga Vegeta vs Lord Boros.
@thekinfing said:
Frieza blinks.
All of that^.
he has better durability and DC.
Proof of this?
Proof he has better DC?
Now on to durability.
Neither Boros, nor Garou have feats on this level. Frieza stomps.
I will echo what everyone is saying, those two havent shown any feats on friezas level , he stomps harder then saitama lol
Frieza wins if he immediately decides to destroy the same planet he's standing on (but he isn't bloodlusted here). Otherwise he has no attacking feats above these:
1 (not final form boros)
2 (not final form garou)
3 (not final form garou)
4 (not final form boros)
5 (final form boros)
6 (final form garou)
Or durability above these
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2 (not final form garou)
3 (not final form garou)
4 (not final form Garou)
5 (final form Garou)
This is 50% Frieza as op said? That isn't on par with Saitama's serious series moves by the way.
@gluestick: I agree the OPM team has better physical striking and speed feats, but Frieza does have better DC and durability feats, plus he has the ability to fly and use telekinesis.
This is 50% Frieza as op said? That isn't on par with Saitama's serious series moves by the way.
Yup. Frieza only powered up to 50% to tank KK*20 Kamehameha(which is also a better durability feat than either of the team has). He remains that way for the rest of the fight.
Nonsense. Not that it matters, seeing as Frieza could kill them with a ki blast.
@marczaddy: Cool I haven't watched DBZ in a long time. Anyway, Frieza would most definitely not win with standard moves unless you think Ki blast is equal to this:
He would win with planet busting, but he's not bloodlusted in this fight and if he's on that planet it defeats the purpose.
@marczaddy: Cool I haven't watched DBZ in a long time. Anyway, Frieza would most definitely not win with standard moves unless you think Ki blast is equal to this:
He would win with planet busting, but he's not bloodlusted in this fight and if he's on that planet it defeats the purpose.
Few problems.
Frieza's first form is casually planet busting, as I've already shown. So, Frieza is far above that.
He could throw around anything near planet level as a standard ki blast and end this with ease.
He doesn't need to actually bust the planet, nor would he die from said planet exploding.
Lastly, Boros and Garou lacks any notable durability, they relied almost exclusively on regen and h2h skill, any Ki attacks Frieza tries would almost be guaranteed end it.
@marczaddy: Feat where Frieza survives a planet he is on blowing up? Not sure that's a claim to be making. I entirely disagree about Boros and Garou "lacking durability" in comparison to him or his non planet-busting attacks:
This ultimately defeated Frieza, and would have been absolutely nothing to Boros or Garou. Think whatever you want to though I know there's no arguing against DBZ.
@gluestick: I agree the OPM team has better physical striking and speed feats, but Frieza does have better DC and durability feats, plus he has the ability to fly and use telekinesis.
looooooooool there is no way OPM team has better physical striking and speed specaily speed. saiyan saga Raditz was faster than the speed of light OPM are only hypersonic speed level, maybe saitama is light speed when he's serious
@marczaddy: Feat where Frieza survives a planet he is on blowing up?
Are you serious with this? Namek blew up while Frieza was on it, and he still survived, despite being cut in half, having no energy, and being blasted by an angry SSJ1 Goku.
Not sure that's a claim to be making.
Because...?
I entirely disagree about Boros and Garou "lacking durability" in comparison to him or his non planet-busting attacks:
Show me some durability.
This ultimately defeated Frieza,
It was launched by Frieza himself and gave SSJ1 Goku cause for concern, this is a bad showing how? Also, he survived it anyway.
and would have been absolutely nothing to Boros or Garou.
I think you mean, "it wouldn't keep them down", it would absolutely split either in half, they just have regen to save them.
Think whatever you want to though
All you have to do is give feats allowing the Team to win, and you'll have won the debate. It's that simple.
I know there's no arguing against DBZ.
Cop out argument. DBZ has been, successfully I might add, argued against numerous times. I've even been on the other side of those debates myself. Honestly, I don't even like DBZ, but that doesn't mean Frieza doesn't stomp here.
@gluestick: I agree the OPM team has better physical striking and speed feats, but Frieza does have better DC and durability feats, plus he has the ability to fly and use telekinesis.
looooooooool there is no way OPM team has better physical striking
They have city level+ striking. I can't recall physicals on that level for this early on in DBZ.
and speed specaily speed.
I agree, though mostly because they lack quantifiability.
saiyan saga Raditz was faster than the speed of light
Anime only nonsense, it's contradicted by basically all other feats afterwards.
@gluestick: I agree the OPM team has better physical striking and speed feats, but Frieza does have better DC and durability feats, plus he has the ability to fly and use telekinesis.
looooooooool there is no way OPM team has better physical striking and speed specaily speed. saiyan saga Raditz was faster than the speed of light OPM are only hypersonic speed level, maybe saitama is light speed when he's serious
I can see your someone who doesn't know much about dragon ball. That was just a dub line. Dragon ball character are consistently much slower than light and have 0 ftl feats in the manga.
Actually that's not even an anime mistake, it's a funimation mistake only. Nothing like that is said in the Japanese version of the new dragon ball kai English version.
So many people think Raditz is faster than light because of that line, lol.
@gluestick: I agree the OPM team has better physical striking and speed feats, but Frieza does have better DC and durability feats, plus he has the ability to fly and use telekinesis.
looooooooool there is no way OPM team has better physical striking and speed specaily speed. saiyan saga Raditz was faster than the speed of light OPM are only hypersonic speed level, maybe saitama is light speed when he's serious
Show me any physical greater than Instant kick to the moon (240,000 miles). Show me speed undeniably greater than these
saiyan saga Raditz was faster than the speed of light
Anime only nonsense, it's contradicted by basically all other feats afterwards.
Actually that's not even an anime mistake, it's a funimation mistake only. Nothing like that is said in the Japanese version of the new dragon ball kai English version.
So many people think Raditz is faster than light because of that line, lol.
Which, I guess, goes to show how many don't really read DBZ, a series they're supposed to be "experts" on, imagine that.
@marczaddy: Feat where Frieza survives a planet he is on blowing up?
Are you serious with this? Namek blew up while Frieza was on it, and he still survived, despite being cut in half, having no energy, and being blasted by an angry SSJ1 Goku.
Goku is the only reason he survived actually. Frieza had to beg for his life.
I entirely disagree about Boros and Garou "lacking durability" in comparison to him or his non planet-busting attacks:
Show me some durability.
Why does regen not count? Who cares how the endure the attack? Same result.
This ultimately defeated Frieza,
It was launched by Frieza himself and gave SSJ1 Goku cause for concern, this is a bad showing how? Also, he survived it anyway.
Again, only thanks to Goku pitying him did he survive. The point is he can't keep battling after the same injuries as Boros and Garou. You claim this isn't a bad showing but somehow punches from Saitama are?
and would have been absolutely nothing to Boros or Garou.
I think you mean, "it wouldn't keep them down", it would absolutely split either in half, they just have regen to save them.
You and everyone that read it knew exactly what I meant. It would have been nothing for them to recover from.
Think whatever you want to though
All you have to do is give feats allowing the Team to win, and you'll have won the debate. It's that simple.
If you need to resort to planet busting attacks then team loses. If you think DBZ attacks > other verses attacks that look similar(which many DBZ fans do) then team loses. If we consider Boros collapsing star (op said OPM team starts max power) to be surface wiping Frieza has no feats that counter it without Goku's power. Saying "frieza form 1 was strong so a ki blast from 50% final form frieza would 1 shot" isn't a feat.
I know there's no arguing against DBZ.
Cop out argument. DBZ has been, successfully I might add, argued against numerous times. I've even been on the other side of those debates myself. Honestly, I don't even like DBZ, but that doesn't mean Frieza doesn't stomp here.
People arguing for DBZ have a huge tenancy to think DBZ planet busters > other planet busters, Ki blasts > other energy attacks (such as the one below), DBZ speed that can't be seen > other speed that can't be seen, etc. That's all I meant.
@marczaddy: Feat where Frieza survives a planet he is on blowing up?
Are you serious with this? Namek blew up while Frieza was on it, and he still survived, despite being cut in half, having no energy, and being blasted by an angry SSJ1 Goku.
1. Goku is the only reason he survived actually. Frieza had to beg for his life.
I entirely disagree about Boros and Garou "lacking durability" in comparison to him or his non planet-busting attacks:
Show me some durability.
2. Why does regen not count? Who cares how the endure the attack? Same result.
This ultimately defeated Frieza,
It was launched by Frieza himself and gave SSJ1 Goku cause for concern, this is a bad showing how? Also, he survived it anyway.
3. Again, only thanks to Goku pitying him did he survive. The point is he can't keep battling after the same injuries as Boros and Garou. You claim this isn't a bad showing but somehow punches from Saitama are?
and would have been absolutely nothing to Boros or Garou.
I think you mean, "it wouldn't keep them down", it would absolutely split either in half, they just have regen to save them.
4. You and everyone that read it knew exactly what I meant. It would have been nothing for them to recover from.
Think whatever you want to though
All you have to do is give feats allowing the Team to win, and you'll have won the debate. It's that simple.
5. If you need to resort to planet busting attacks then team loses. If you think DBZ attacks > other verses attacks that look similar(which many DBZ fans do) then team loses. If we consider Boros collapsing star (op said OPM team starts max power) to be surface wiping Frieza has no feats that counter it without Goku's power. Saying "frieza form 1 was strong so a ki blast from 50% final form frieza would 1 shot" isn't a feat.
I know there's no arguing against DBZ.
Cop out argument. DBZ has been, successfully I might add, argued against numerous times. I've even been on the other side of those debates myself. Honestly, I don't even like DBZ, but that doesn't mean Frieza doesn't stomp here.
6. People arguing for DBZ have a huge tenancy to think DBZ planet busters > other planet busters, Ki blasts > other energy attacks (such as the one below), DBZ speed that can't be seen > other speed that can't be seen, etc. That's all I meant.
1. False. He begged, then was given energy, which he used to attack Goku, who counter and blasted Frieza, then planet exploded. Goku has nothing to do with him surviving.
2. I never said regen doesn't count, I simply said show me durability. Regen =/= durability, that's all. So again, some planet level durability showings please. Hell, show me anything durability wise.
3. Already proven false. I never said Saitama's punches are a bad showing, but they are completely unquantifiable. Frieza can dish out planet busting ki blasts pretty casually, how do Boros or Garou deal with that?
4. They could regen from that, sure.
5. Resort to? Frieza is casually planet busting 3 forms ago. This is the only outcome. Seriously, a planet wiping attack is a danger to Frieza, how? He could literally cancel it out, sort of like Saitama, with anything stronger. He can also fly out of range, easily avoiding it. That argument might work, except these feats are all Frieza's. So, him planet busting at his weakest, with absolute ease, means him near his strongest will do the same, and much more, with even easier ease. Simple logic.
6. Irrelevant to this debate.
1 & 3: I can admit it's possible I don't remember the fight entirely. As I've said it's been a while since I last watched DBZ. Either way that's not a feat relevant to 50% Frieza no matter how he survived it.
2: Lol surface-wiping+ durability feats for 50% Frieza please.
4: Sarcasm? If not great we agree on this. If so see the scans where Boros instantly recovers from being shredded to pieces, and where Garou instantly recovers from a similar/slightly worse injury than Frieza.
5: He didn't have planet level durability at 50% power, and the op says he isn't taking this at all seriously so why would he start with a planet level attack? If this was 100% Frieza fighting seriously I would have agreed he wins from the start.
6: how so? Someone (not you) has already denied Frieza being completely eclipsed in physical strength here because... DBZ. There is also no conclusive proof ki blast > these:
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@gluestick: 50% Freeza completely wiped out Namek's core, while holding back a considerable amount of power. Surface wiping is child's play.
@gluestick: 50% Freeza completely wiped out Namek's core, while holding back a considerable amount of power. Surface wiping is child's play.
And First Form Frieza planet busted while laughing.
Anyway, no one has posted this yet? I'm disappointed in you, Comic Vine.
Gets me. Every. Single. Time.
1 & 3: I can admit it's possible I don't remember the fight entirely. As I've said it's been a while since I last watched DBZ. Either way that's not a feat relevant to 50% Frieza no matter how he survived it.
Fair enough.
2: Lol surface-wiping+ durability feats for 50% Frieza please.
I can do you two better. He casually cancelled out a Kamehameha from Goku in KKX20, with his bare hands. Plus, survived the Spirit Bomb.
4: Sarcasm? If not great we agree on this.
No sarcasm, regen is a fine ability.
If so see the scans where Boros instantly recovers from being shredded to pieces,
Yeah, nice. What happens when Frieza vapes him?
and where Garou instantly recovers from a similar/slightly worse injury than Frieza.
Same as above.
5: He didn't have planet level durability at 50% power,
Already proven false.
and the op says he isn't taking this at all seriously so why would he start with a planet level attack?
He doesn't need to be taking this seriously, his weakest attack should be that level, though it's not necessary in the long run.
If this was 100% Frieza fighting seriously I would have agreed he wins from the start.
Okay.
6: how so? Someone (not you) has already denied Frieza being completely eclipsed in physical strength here because... DBZ. There is also no conclusive proof ki blast > these:
It's irrelevant because I'm not them, and I'm not making that claim. Therefore, it's irrelevant to this(meaning between us two) debate.
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1. This is a featless attack, even with statements, Frieza outdid it casually in his first form.
2 and 3. City level attacks are not even worth talking about.
@goldroger1: Only in the Bardock - The Father of Goku TV special, and its canonocity is dubious at best. We have no idea if Freeza destroyed planet Vegeta the same way in the Dragon Ball manga.
@gluestick: frieza in character was playing with much faster and stronger opponents on namek, he was blitzing them, he was blocking planetary level attacks as if he was playing with a football. it's true that i hate when people talk about db characters as if they were invincible but the team here are way out of their league.
it would be a great fight if it was actually between boros and garou
@gluestick: frieza in character was playing with much faster and stronger opponents on namek, he was blitzing them, he was blocking planetary level attacks as if he was playing with a football. it's true that i hate when people talk about db characters as if they were invincible but the team here are way out of their league.
it would be a great fight if it was actually between boros and garou
That's already a thread
@alextheboss: oh .... my bad
@gluestick: frieza in character was playing with much faster and stronger opponents on namek, he was blitzing them, he was blocking planetary level attacks as if he was playing with a football. it's true that i hate when people talk about db characters as if they were invincible but the team here are way out of their league.
it would be a great fight if it was actually between boros and garou
That's already a thread
More than one, as usual.
Boros and Garou both at their very best
Boros at his very best is the anime version, so does this feat count? Someone did a frame by frame breakdown.
Lol, major mismatch, freiza wrecks in first form, he has actually destroyed two planets, no feats for either of these guys make them planet busters, just a flimsy statement, feats are greater than statements.
Not to mention one of freizas main strengths is his durability, even commented on by the gods.. he has survived two planetary explosions, nothing these guys can do has been proven to be planetary, they don't have the dc to one shot him. I say this because even if they get him in physicals, as soon as he sees he's outclassed, he'll bust the planet, VERY in character
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