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#51 Posted by Paytience (4519 posts) - - Show Bio

The Borg would destroy the cube...

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#52 Posted by Floopay (11059 posts) - - Show Bio

Borg slaughter.... their sensors will locate the queen and all xenomorphs. They'll then isolate them with shields and port them into space...

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

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#53 Edited by Paytience (4519 posts) - - Show Bio
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#54 Edited by Paytience (4519 posts) - - Show Bio

@tourneymaster: Forcefields work to keep acid off them, and/or keep xenos segregated to certain parts of the vessel. Nano probes work to heal them. Your comparison of immune system to acid blood is frankly, nonsense...as in it makes zero sense and is comparing two different things.

The immune systems were not destroying the nanites, they were processing them out faster than they could enact assimilation.

You assume the nanoprobes cannot survive acid, which is nonsense. The've survived phasers, explosions, the vaccum of space etc and can heal on a level high enough that in Voyager, Seven of Nine brought Neelix back to life with them.

If your contention is that Xeno blood can destroy the nanoprobes faster then the probes can assimilate the host, then the burden of proof is on you.

YOU must provide examples of the nanoprobes being destroyed, not processed out of the body; and you must also provide evidence of Xeno blood being able to do so.

Because right now, you're basically asking us to cede a point which you have not supported, and which is founded on an improper analogy.

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Transporters help them teleport the Xenos off their ship and to wherever they want. Borg stomp. If the Xenos cannot be transported off vessel, the can be contained with sectional forcefields that we see all the time on Borg ships, and trek ships in general. From there, they get wiped.

I doubt the facehuggers have much of an effect, as I doubt the creatures could germinate while the nanites are killing them off.

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#55 Posted by MetalJimmor (6041 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay said:

Borg slaughter.... their sensors will locate the queen and all xenomorphs. They'll then isolate them with shields and port them into space...

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

There is a certain irony that a person who signs every post with "thanks for reading" would fail to read the original poster's stipulations for the battle.

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#56 Posted by Floopay (11059 posts) - - Show Bio

@metaljimmor: read the last question in the OP. You don't have to answer every question to participate in a thread.

And no, I don't think Borg can assimilate Xenos. The acid blood would eat through most of their implants.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

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#57 Posted by TourneyMaster (979 posts) - - Show Bio

@paytience:

Forcefields work to keep acid off them, and/or keep xenos segregated to certain parts of the vessel. Nano probes work to heal them. Your comparison of immune system to acid blood is frankly, nonsense...as in it makes zero sense and is comparing two different things.

Your point of a blood base Nanoprobe surviving on a being with movie magic level acidic blood when normal immune bodies in other species blood can fight of said probes is silly. Show me proof the Probes can survive without being destroyed on the molecular level by acid that eats through layers of ship hulls then we can talk. I already proven blood base probes fail before, so to say they will work is also false unless they are shown to work on this kind of creature.

The immune systems were not destroying the nanites, they were processing them out faster than they could enact assimilation.

They were countering the probes, that simple.

You assume the nanoprobes cannot survive acid, which is nonsense. The've survived phasers, explosions, the vaccum of space etc and can heal on a level high enough that in Voyager, Seven of Nine brought Neelix back to life with them.

Yet species with high immune systems counter them fine every time. Molecular chemical acid for blood will work to destroy them too. Unless you have proof to show otherwise? Oh wait, you dont. Just your opinion they do. Also those Nano probes do not survive Phasers. If they did no ship part would be blown into nothing in ship battles, and no Borg would drop and die from Phaser blasts which they do before shields adapt to said phasers :/

If your contention is that Xeno blood can destroy the nanoprobes faster then the probes can assimilate the host, then the burden of proof is on you.

You already been debunk. Normal blood of high immunity systems species can counter it. Show proof of it working on a species blood made of impossible acidic levels or just concede. Or you can continue to remain bias and claim they will work when they failed before on less shit.

YOU must provide examples of the nanoprobes being destroyed, not processed out of the body; and you must also provide evidence of Xeno blood being able to do so.

I provided examples of two aliens with high immune systems resisting the probes. Phlox was semi infected and after a painful transition purge the probes himself. 8472 just laugh them away. Thats not one but two examples of them failing where you are acting they will work because you say so. Show me Probes surviving impossible in real life acidic aicd blood environment and we can talk. Or ignore the fact your precious Borg probes failed on weaker species blood. That works too for you cause I guess.

Because right now, you're basically asking us to cede a point which you have not supported, and which is founded on an improper analogy.

I supported my point fine. You say they will work just because. I said and proven they failed to work on the blood of certain beings already. Thus I supported my proof that they do not always work. Now you must prove they will in this case, or just be bias to your fav characters. That works too.

Transporters help them teleport the Xenos off their ship and to wherever they want.

Too bad they could not simply teleport off Species 8472 boarding parties, or Starfleet personnel who always boarded and attack cubes inside. Never seen them do this in a fight at all. Ever. Unless you can show me a example of this happening in a fight? Otherwise your taking the Borg out of character and making shit up. Its the equivalent to saying "well Superman punches the planet" to end a debate when Superman would never do this in a fight. That simple.

Borg stomp. If the Xenos cannot be transported off vessel, the can be contained with sectional forcefields that we see all the time on Borg ships, and trek ships in general. From there, they get wiped.

Funny thing about them "force fields" is that Species 8472 just plowed through walls of the Cube to get to where he needed fine. The force fields dont seem to work well on the walls and ceilings of the cube at all from what I seen. Proof they can? From what I seen they never could stop wall plowing 8472.

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I dont see why Xenos cannot do the same as Species 8472.

I doubt the facehuggers have much of an effect, as I doubt the creatures could germinate while the nanites are killing them off.

I doubt the Borg can fend off the Huggers dropping a embryo that adapts to the host species and takes on its traits. While non canon, these Huggers Embryos affect things they should not affect including Vampires, Superman, Energy Beings, ect. Thats non canon crossovers, but its proof enough Dark Horse writers of Aliens feel they can affect anything living. At the very least the Huggers are acid bombs damaging ship and Borg. Sure you can try to argue shields stop acid spray, but the shields are not skin tight where the Huggers will be on them faces. In the end we can argue circles if a Borg can be implanted with a Xenos taking on its traits or not. So i can be a bigger man and let that point go. It hard to tell if it would work, though if allowing crossover comics, it sure would.

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@metaljimmor: read the last question in the OP. You don't have to answer every question to participate in a thread.

And no, I don't think Borg can assimilate Xenos. The acid blood would eat through most of their implants.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Agreed.

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Borg slaughter.... their sensors will locate the queen and all xenomorphs. They'll then isolate them with shields and port them into space...

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

When have they ever done this though? Again, its the equivalent of Superman exploding the planet earth to win every battle forum debate. Ots out of character.

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The Borg are not even smart enough to transport a Proton Torpedo off their ship! They never teleport off Species 8472 boarding parties or Starfleet personnel boarding parties. Why would they now?

Also if the only way for the Borg to win is BFR, seems clear the real winners are in a fight to me anyway ;)

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#58 Edited by Gracetrack (4624 posts) - - Show Bio

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Lets see, in all that counter reply, not once you explain how resistance is futile when several beings and people resisted. My point stands, Xeno's win ;).

I'm not certain you understand what futile means. Futile means - "Ultimately pointless." Yes, the Borg can be resisted, but in most cases that resistance ultimately proves useless. Only in extremely rare cases in Star Trek lore did that prove not to be the case, which doesn't make it a false premise because in the vast majority of cases resistance did prove to be futile (i.e. they've successfully assimilated thousands upon thousands of species). None of your given examples are tenable reasons as to why resistance would not be futile for the Xenomorphs, which is what I was addressing.

Again, the Xenomorphs:

  • Don't have plot armor like Captain Janeway/Archer
  • Aren't androids like Data/Lore
  • Aren't Species 8472 (a race created by its writers to have a wholly unique immune system capable of stopping Borg assimilation)
  • Aren't a nigh-omnipotent super race like the Q Continuum

The Xenomorphs can and will resist, but it will ultimately be pointless unless they have any of the above factors going for them, which they do not.

Resistance is futile for the Xenomorphs. They get assimilated.

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#59 Posted by comic_book_fan (10986 posts) - - Show Bio

@tourneymaster: the borg would not even assemulate them they would just kill them with vastly superior weapons and they have a 10 to 1 numbers edge.

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#60 Posted by destinyman75 (13618 posts) - - Show Bio

Hand to hand Aliens have the advantage. Borg are slower and Aliens blood is acid. Borg however slower are still on par with strength. Can I turn Drones into Borg drones with the numbers. Energy weapons wreck drones so I'd say Borvt definitely have a chance to win here. Aliens have a Queen, so do the Borg

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#61 Posted by JohnnyZ256 (6418 posts) - - Show Bio

@gracetrack: Do you think Lore would interact well with a Xenomorph?

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#62 Posted by RikuYamaha (1148 posts) - - Show Bio

do people forget the most trademark thing about the Borg is to eventually adapt to any attack? yeah, the xenomorph wins in hand to hand but i highly doubt the xenomorphs can deal with phrasers. plus A Borg cube is normally equipped with 130,000 drones at there command which are all linked together as a hive mind. plus They can see everything within the EM spectrum, as well as view the nanoscale, the size of molecules, analyze every facet and dimension of any object in perfect detail, and save perfect representations of those objects in physical memory. A drone's eyepiece was furthermore capable of directly observing the geometry of multi-dimensional space-time, so i doubt the xenomorphs are gonna hide from them with there half assed stealth. the only weaknesses they have are Neurolytic pathogen (accidentally assimilated by the Borg Queen in 2378, it heavily crippled the Collective), Kinetic force (Has proven to be far more effective than energy weapons) and the Borg are still dependent on their organic parts (Making biological weapons useful to some extent), Isolation (Can lead to the disconnection of a drone).

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#63 Posted by RikuYamaha (1148 posts) - - Show Bio

@tourneymaster said:

Lets see, in all that counter reply, not once you explain how resistance is futile when several beings and people resisted. My point stands, Xeno's win ;).

I'm not certain you understand what futile means. Futile means - "Ultimately pointless." Yes, the Borg can be resisted, but in most cases that resistance ultimately proves useless. Only in extremely rare cases in Star Trek lore did that prove not to be the case, which doesn't make it a false premise because in the vast majority of cases resistance did prove to be futile (i.e. they've successfully assimilated thousands upon thousands of species). None of your given examples are tenable reasons as to why resistance would not be futile for the Xenomorphs, which is what I was addressing.

Again, the Xenomorphs:

  • Don't have plot armor like Captain Janeway/Archer
  • Aren't androids like Data/Lore
  • Aren't Species 8472 (a race created by its writers to have a wholly uniquely immune system capable of stopping Borg assimilation)
  • Aren't a nigh-omnipotent super race like the Q Continuum

The Xenomorphs can and will resist, but it will ultimately be pointless unless they have any of the above factors going for them, which they do not.

Resistance is futile for the Xenomorphs. They get assimilated.

this, plus my comment=dead xenos.

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#64 Posted by TourneyMaster (979 posts) - - Show Bio

People still try to claim how bad ass the Borg are, and I can just keep posting videos of their incompetence. Its a vicious cycle :)