BM Naruto, G4 Luffy, AM Meliodas vs VL Ichigo, FDK Natsu, All Might
VL woud stomp any of them in a 1v1, but , its a 3v3 , soo , team 2 , VL as the MVP , if its VL at 100% power , than he likely solo , if its Hellverse Vl , then he solo stomp , if its VL at 50% power , than team 2 win , VL as the MVP , its technicaly a VL vs BM Naruto , since none of the remaining 4 have enought durability or firepower to contend with any of those two.
And i think VL woud beat BM Naruto , the rest woud just die from the the aoe xd
@thousandsteps: Dangai ichigo woud one shot all the 6 at once , their physical are far bellow Dangai Ichigo's.
@skysanji: LMAO at any version of luffy blitz or ragdoll VL Ichigo..
Team 1 wins easily, in part because All Might is a huge weak link.
+1
@skysanji: LMAO at any version of luffy blitz or ragdoll VL Ichigo..
prove he can't.
He has a massive speed advantage
Has Future sight
Has better physicals feats
Prove me wrong on any of this and I'll concede.
VL woud stomp any of them in a 1v1, but , its a 3v3 , soo , team 2 , VL as the MVP , if its VL at 100% power , than he likely solo , if its Hellverse Vl , then he solo stomp , if its VL at 50% power , than team 2 win , VL as the MVP , its technicaly a VL vs BM Naruto , since none of the remaining 4 have enought durability or firepower to contend with any of those two.
And i think VL woud beat BM Naruto , the rest woud just die from the the aoe xd
Lol at this, your opinion on this fight shouldn't be taken seriously at all
His strongest attack the Cero gets no selled by even Unsealed Meliodas, Killer Bee someone weaker than BM Naruto already tanked a juubidama to the face which just leaves his physicals which won't do a thing to said characters including Luffy.
@ultrashaggy: I mean you're the one who said Ywach is galaxy-level and Ichigo scales to that lmao
@ultrashaggy: Physicals aren't all there is to fights. Also, AM Meliodas is atleast on par with Dangai Ichigo in physicals if not higher (Ichigo is probably faster though), and D. Ichigo beating BM Naruto is debatable (he is not beating BSM). Add in G4 Luffy to the mix and he won't be able to carry his team.
@skysanji: I talk about VL at 100% power , he was at 50% when he fought Ulqiorra.
- VL crushed in bare hand and no selled a small country lv Lanza from Ulqiorra
- VL Casually blitzed Ulqiorra in his secon ressurection
- Juubidama is weaker than a lanza , Juubidama is multi mountain , and lanza is small country
- Grimmjow in his ressurection showed impressive physical feats
- Masked Bankai Ichigo beat Grimmjow in his ressurection
- Masked Bankai Ichigo get easily blitzed and nearly one shoted by Ulqiorra in his firs ressurection
- Ressurection work like bankai , 5x-10x buff to the character
- Masked Bankai Ichigo was still slower than Ulqiorra in base
- Ulqiorra in his first ressurection got a 5x or 10x buff , even to his speed
- Ulqiorra in his secon ressurection got a 5x or 10x buff , again , he got that to his speed too
- VL Ichigo casually Blitzed Ulqiorra in his secon ressurection
-VL Ichigo was only at 50% of his power at the time when he fought with Ulqiorra in his second ressurection
How woud luffy blitz someone who casually blitzed a character who can blitz and one shot any one piece character ?(dont come with the ls kizaru and planet lv white beard "things" ,pls)
@thousandsteps: Can you show me scans for meliodas physicall ?
@woodward: Ywach is galaxy lv , k , i said that (because thats true) .
Ichigo and Aizen stated to be one the same lv in reatsu , with Ywach .
+1: How Ywach come to this thread ?
@ultrashaggy: I can’t because there are none. It’s all scalings and X character hurting Y character who’s stronger than Z character who has above whatever durability.
Point is, AM Meliodas scales to or above mountain/multi mountain level (considering his BoS self casually splitting a big hill with a shockwave) in physical stats. D Ichigo sits at mountain+ in striking, and multi mountain in durability.
Same ballpark.
^ why do people cry about Bleach being lowballed when we have people who believe stuff like this?
It's mostly because we don't let them have their:
- Universal yhwach
- Multiversal kenpachi
- Multi-planet Yamamoto
- Planet lv Ichigo
- 5-D Aizen
- MFTL fodder bleach characters
- Etc....
- ....wait, and because we keep comparing them against naruto characters.
......jk........a little.....
OT: anyone on team 1 can potentially- nvm, they do solo.
@thousandsteps: Okay , mel is mountain to multi mountain .
But even VL Ichigo grabbed , crushed , and no selled an aoe attack wich island - small country lv (depends on what you call island and what small country ) , at 50% of his power .
Also Ichigo evaporated a mountain with a shockwave from his parry , not even an attack(and he wasnt so serious at the time , did it casually )
Splitting something an evaporate something is really diferent , also Dangai scales above VL (not the hellverse one).
By scaling even Yammy shoud be island lv in his ressurection(or second , idk if its coutn as a second ressurection ) , yammy fodder compared to the likes of Ulqiorra , Ulqiorra get bodied by VL(50% power) , Dangai Ichigo(not even serious version )>>>>>FKT Arc Base Aizen > VL Ichigo (100%) The Entire Espada -
@thousandsteps: Okay , mel is mountain to multi mountain .
But even VL Ichigo grabbed , crushed , and no selled an aoe attack wich island - small country lv (depends on what you call island and what small country ) , at 50% of his power .
Also Ichigo evaporated a mountain with a shockwave from his parry , not even an attack(and he wasnt so serious at the time , did it casually )
Splitting something an evaporate something is really diferent , also Dangai scales above VL (not the hellverse one).
By scaling even Yammy shoud be island lv in his ressurection(or second , idk if its coutn as a second ressurection ) , yammy fodder compared to the likes of Ulqiorra , Ulqiorra get bodied by VL(50% power) , Dangai Ichigo(not even serious version )>>>>>FKT Arc Base Aizen > VL Ichigo (100%) The Entire Espada -
I'm sure we read the same rhe manga so how is it that only you have all these 20% and 50% calculations? Nowhere was it stated that he was at 50% . Also lanza is not island or country lvl
@thousandsteps: Okay , mel is mountain to multi mountain .
But even VL Ichigo grabbed , crushed , and no selled an aoe attack wich island - small country lv (depends on what you call island and what small country ) , at 50% of his power .
See, that's the thing though. Bleach scaling went all over the place during FKT arc. VL palming a multimountain/island level attack (definitely not small country level) is more impressive than anything Dangai Ichigo has done (outside of FGT).
Also Ichigo evaporated a mountain with a shockwave from his parry , not even an attack(and he wasnt so serious at the time , did it casually )
He did not evaporate a mountain. He destroyed (as in turning to dust) a hill. Him doing it with a casual shockwave is what gives him the mountain + striking level. Also his claim is also contested by the fact that Aizen contributed to the shockwave, despite what Ichigo said.
Splitting something an evaporate something is really diferent , also Dangai scales above VL (not the hellverse one).
I know splitting is inferior to destroying. However, Mel did it in his weakest form, AM Mel is sooo far above his BoS self. Dangai does canonicaly scale above VL, but keep in mind he threw away his reiatsu in exchange for physical stats.
By scaling even Yammy shoud be island lv in his ressurection(or second , idk if its coutn as a second ressurection ) , yammy fodder compared to the likes of Ulqiorra , Ulqiorra get bodied by VL(50% power) , Dangai Ichigo(not even serious version )>>>>>FKT Arc Base Aizen > VL Ichigo (100%) The Entire Espada -
Not sure where you got Yammy being island level. No Espada scales to Ulquiorra's Lanza. AM Meliodas would also slaughter the Entire Espada and base Aizen (without KS).
@ultrashaggy said:
@thousandsteps: Okay , mel is mountain to multi mountain .
But even VL Ichigo grabbed , crushed , and no selled an aoe attack wich island - small country lv (depends on what you call island and what small country ) , at 50% of his power .
See, that's the thing though. Bleach scaling went all over the place during FKT arc. VL palming a multimountain/island level attack (definitely not small country level) is more impressive than anything Dangai Ichigo has done (outside of FGT).
Lanza is definetly island or small country lv , if you want i can post you the scaling for las noches size.
Also Ichigo evaporated a mountain with a shockwave from his parry , not even an attack(and he wasnt so serious at the time , did it casually )
He did not evaporate a mountain. He destroyed (as in turning to dust) a hill. Him doing it with a casual shockwave is what gives him the mountain + striking level. Also his claim is also contested by the fact that Aizen contributedto the shockwave, despite what Ichigo said.
He evaporate a mountain by a shockwave from his parry , not an attack , and that was a mountain and not a hill.
Splitting something an evaporate something is really diferent , also Dangai scales above VL (not the hellverse one).
I know splitting is inferior to destroying. However, Mel did it in his weakest form, AM Mel is sooo far above his BoS self. Dangai does canonicaly scale above VL, but keep in mind he threw away his reiatsu in exchange for physical stats.
Physical stat , that was why Aizen was surprised how strong ichigo become in physical , also he used his shinigami power to take dangai form and use FGT (remember , ichigo have hollow and quincy powers too )
By scaling even Yammy shoud be island lv in his ressurection(or second , idk if its coutn as a second ressurection ) , yammy fodder compared to the likes of Ulqiorra , Ulqiorra get bodied by VL(50% power) , Dangai Ichigo(not even serious version )>>>>>FKT Arc Base Aizen > VL Ichigo (100%) The Entire Espada -
Not sure where you got Yammy being island level. No Espada scales to Ulquiorra's Lanza. AM Meliodas would also slaughter the Entire Espada and base Aizen (without KS).
Since by scaling Yammy is island lv with cero(higher with gran ray cero , but as i remember he never used gran ray cero , but on paper , every espada can use gran ray cero and only the espada can use it ).
If you want i can post the scaling for Yammy.
@son_of_mori-jin: When i said 20% ???
As i remember Unohana said that Ichigo at the time had or used only half of his reatsu.
If you dont think lanza is island or small country ( also small country =/= country ) lv , then i can post you scans why lanza is island or small country lv (can i ask what the size of a small country to you ?)
Litterally everyone on Team 1 is soloing, Luffy might get caught up with Natsu but otherwise he shits on his teammates.
Lanza is at MOST island level, unless you think of Monaco when you say small country level.
What Ichigo destroyed was most definitely a hill. Like I said, a casual shockwave of parry that destroys a hill is what puts him at mountain+ level (this is ignoring Aizen's contribution to the shockwave).
No valid scalings puts any Espadas at island level, the only exception being Ulquiorra's (an arrancar that has a second ressurection) Lanza, which also happens to be his trump card.
That said, we are going off-topic, so atleast we can both agree that Team 1 stomps Team 2.
Allmight is fodder here, VL Ichigo has a chance of beating Luffy but he loses to Naruto or Meliodas, as for Natsu, I've only seen the anime but he loses to either BM Naruto or AM Meliodas as well from what I've seen.
@son_of_mori-jin: When i said 20% ???
As i remember Unohana said that Ichigo at the time had or used only half of his reatsu.
If you dont think lanza is island or small country ( also small country =/= country ) lv , then i can post you scans why lanza is island or small country lv (can i ask what the size of a small country to you ?)
Incorrect. Ichigo was full powered when he fought ulquiorra and unohana restored him to full power while heading to FKT. It's explained by his outfit being restored that his reitsu is 100% again. Also please post scans that prove lanza to be island level. To answer your question you have island sized countries i.e Haiti, Jamaica etc. But a small country should be about Vietnam sized
@thousandsteps: Chad with his weaker arm was hill lv , chad get bodied by a privaron espada (ex espada) , chad start using his stronger arm , he bodied the privaron , tesla , a fraccion arrived and blocked and no selled chad full power attack in base , fraccions are fodder compared to any espada , that fraccion had a ressurection , so 5x to 10x big hill or small mountain lv = minimum big mountain lv , mountain + already , at a fraccion , any espada woud fodderize a fraccion (thats why fraccions are under espada members controll )
Team 1 stomps, that isn´t even fair since All Might is a non-factor here. This is technically Naruto, Luffy and Meliodas vs Ichigo and Natsu.
@braindrain: whats so funny that BM is a none Factor.
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