Blue Marvel. Batman was practically having a heart attack fighting with a greatly depowered Darkseid for like 30 seconds. Either Blue Marvel kills him or the Hellbat armor does.
Hellbat was kinda banking on Darkseid to use his Omega beams in order to power up. This isn't an option here and the suit put immense pressure on Bruce's body.
@darkraiden: No it isn't. A hydrogen bomb is a single explosion, the sun is that same explosion going off endlessly.
No it's not. The sun isn't inherently exhibiting the force (unless you just mean the gravity), just the heat. BM tanking the force+the heat without ill effect is better.
@darkraiden: The sun doesn't just give off heat, it constantly gives off nuclear reactions of equal force to an H-Bomb which is its source of energy in the first place.
And even ignoring that destroying armies of Parademons is still better than what Blue Marvel can do given they've overwhelmed Alan Scott, Hal Jordan and Earth 2 Superman in reasonable numbers.
@darkraiden: The sun doesn't just give off heat, it constantly gives off nuclear reactions of equal force to an H-Bomb which is its source of energy in the first place.
And even ignoring that destroying armies of Parademons is still better than what Blue Marvel can do given they've overwhelmed Alan Scott, Hal Jordan and Earth 2 Superman in reasonable numbers.
Nah, King Hyperion is above that. And BM three-shotted him pretty much.
@darkraiden: King Hyperion doesn't have feats anywhere near that level. Hell Im pretty sure he had some trouble with de-powered Juggernaut who Luke Cage could hurt. Really fighting Blue Marvel is more of a feat for Hyperion than the other way around.
@highaccuser: he broke his wrist punching depowered juggernaut and couldn't bring him down in a fist fight, granted his heat vision seemed to do the trick.
@darkraiden: King Hyperion doesn't have feats anywhere near that level. Hell Im pretty sure he had some trouble with de-powered Juggernaut who Luke Cage could hurt. Really fighting Blue Marvel is more of a feat for Hyperion than the other way around.
He also easily beatdown Hyperion who matched Gladiator in strength and heat vision so....
@darkraiden: He didn't beat him down, he didn't even fight him in meele other than hitting him in the face with the other Hyperion which did no damage. That doesn't make him anywhere near as strong as said Hyperion. Matching him in heat vision is nice but has nothing to do with his physicals.
@highaccuser: exactly. The beating he gave juggs was intentional to start with, cain was just letting him hit him in an attempt to 'rope-a-dope' him and IIRC gave a good deal of damage back.
I really don't think KH is half as powerful as some people sell him.
@darkraiden: He didn't beat him down, he didn't even fight him in meele other than hitting him in the face with the other Hyperion which did no damage. That doesn't make him anywhere near as strong as said Hyperion. Matching him in heat vision is nice but has nothing to do with his physicals.
Blue Marvel blocked his heat vision though. And him reacting to said Hyperion and getting the better of him is pretty good.
@darkraiden: He didn't beat him down, he didn't even fight him in meele other than hitting him in the face with the other Hyperion which did no damage. That doesn't make him anywhere near as strong as said Hyperion. Matching him in heat vision is nice but has nothing to do with his physicals.
Blue Marvel blocked his heat vision though. And him reacting to said Hyperion and getting the better of him is pretty good.
Blocking his heat vision says nothing about strength and durability nor do we have any idea how intense that blast of heat vision was. The only Hyperion King Hyperion reacted to was the one who had no feats.
@darkraiden: He didn't beat him down, he didn't even fight him in meele other than hitting him in the face with the other Hyperion which did no damage. That doesn't make him anywhere near as strong as said Hyperion. Matching him in heat vision is nice but has nothing to do with his physicals.
Blue Marvel blocked his heat vision though. And him reacting to said Hyperion and getting the better of him is pretty good.
Blocking his heat vision says nothing about strength and durability nor do we have any idea how intense that blast of heat vision was. The only Hyperion King Hyperion reacted to was the one who had no feats.
Heat Vision has to do with how good his anti-matter shields are. Pretty sure King Hyperion reacted to both Hyperions in that fight.
Heat Vision has to do with how good his anti-matter shields are. Pretty sure King Hyperion reacted to both Hyperions in that fight.
Which is great and all but we have no idea how powerful that particular blast for heat vision was or how powerful the blast King Hyperion overpowered was, also strength and durability are substantially more important in fights.
You're wrong. And neither of those Hyperions were moving at notable speeds.
Heat Vision has to do with how good his anti-matter shields are. Pretty sure King Hyperion reacted to both Hyperions in that fight.
Which is great and all but we have no idea how powerful that particular blast for heat vision was or how powerful the blast King Hyperion overpowered was, also strength and durability are substantially more important in fights.
You're wrong. And neither of those Hyperions were moving at notable speeds.
That makes no sense. We can't assume he just used weak heat vision and didn't move at top speeds for no reason. That only works for lowballing. In that case, any feat with any other character can be the not trying as hard because we say so.
That makes no sense. We can't assume he just used weak heat vision and didn't move at top speeds for no reason. That only works for lowballing. In that case, any feat with any other character can be the not trying as hard because we say so.
It makes perfect sense because characters use their powers to varying degrees. When Deathstroke is dodging Superman it's because he's not using his top speed and when Collosnaught can't one-shot Spider-Man it's because Spider-Man isn't tanking his best hits. Moreover King Hyperion had time to monologue before one Hyperion reached him so clearly they weren't moving at significant speeds. Hell the Hyperion with actual speed feats never even tried attacking him with anything but heat vision...
That makes no sense. We can't assume he just used weak heat vision and didn't move at top speeds for no reason. That only works for lowballing. In that case, any feat with any other character can be the not trying as hard because we say so.
It makes perfect sense because characters use their powers to varying degrees. When Deathstroke is dodging Superman it's because he's not using his top speed and when Collosnaught can't one-shot Spider-Man it's because Spider-Man isn't tanking his best hits. Moreover King Hyperion had time to monologue before one Hyperion reached him so clearly they weren't moving at significant speeds. Hell the Hyperion with actual speed feats never even tried attacking him with anything but heat vision...
Those characters aren't the same as King Hyperion as he always has a murderboner and is trying to kill someone. Plus he specifically expressed his desire to kill Blue Marvel. Also King Hyperion reacted to both Hyperions, not sure what fight you read. The monologue thing could just be him being fast enough to speak in that short time.
@darkraiden: In theory that logic would work but even villains use their power to varying degrees. It means while these feats aren't bad they're incredibly hard to ascertain.
King Hyperion didn't react to anything there. 712 Hyperion pushed him into a wall before he could react and King Hyperion shoved him off when he wasn't moving. The other times he's just tagging them with no blitzing or bullrushing involved and the Hyperions being motionless. You've disregarded speed feats for less legitimate reasons.
He never actually had a solid uninterrupted hand to hand fight with 712 Hyperion therefore he's far weaker than him based on feats and lacking a concrete performance against him. I remind you of this guys showings against de-powered Juggernaut. He'd probably be unable to even hurt Hellbat.
@highaccuser: I don't know what scans you're looking at. He reacted to 712 Hyperion plenty of times and overpowered him as well. Hyperion didn't stop moving, KH kicked him, thus stopping his momentum. KH is at least as strong as KH. Depowered Juggernaut got beat by KH and was able to still withstand hits from Hulk and Skaar so it's not like he's weak...or below Hellbat in any way.
The scans showed one clear thing...KH was beating two Hyperions (712 Hyperion included) easily and they needed Blink's help to win.
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