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#1  Edited By Joygirl

Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes)

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Etrigan the Demon (Jason Blood)

-Morals OFF. Otherwise in character.

-No prep

-Fight takes place in New Jersey, the more destruction the better.

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#2  Edited By Joygirl

Bumping the official "non-locked" duplicate thread. :D

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#3  Edited By _Black

I can see Jaime winning with morals off. I could be persuaded, however.

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#4  Edited By sandiego008

Etrigan should win this.

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#5  Edited By King Saturn
I think Etrigan would win in a tough fight with Blue Beetle.
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#6  Edited By jeanroygrant

etrigan should win

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#7  Edited By eatmore_payless

Magic>> Tech you do the math

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#8  Edited By Joygirl

Magic isn't always > Tech... BB has some pretty good stuff, and isn't he pretty beastly with morals off?

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#9  Edited By sandiego008

@Joygirl said:

Magic isn't always > Tech... BB has some pretty good stuff, and isn't he pretty beastly with morals off?

Didn't Blue beetle have to team up with teen titans to go up against lobo in the past? While etrigan can and has fought on pretty even grounds against Lobo by himself.

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#10  Edited By Rixec

Blue Beetle can win. And magic is just another form of science, according to Batman. >)

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#11  Edited By Joygirl

@sandiego008 said:

@Joygirl said:

Magic isn't always > Tech... BB has some pretty good stuff, and isn't he pretty beastly with morals off?

Didn't Blue beetle have to team up with teen titans to go up against lobo in the past? While etrigan can and has fought on pretty even grounds against Lobo by himself.

That's morals on. Morals plays a big part with him because he's borderline omnipotent if he uses the suit's full powers.

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#12  Edited By Joygirl

Little bump to see how this handles on a second wave. I thought it was a good idea.

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#13  Edited By crabtree

Etrigan

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#14  Edited By Joygirl

Bumpz.

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#15  Edited By TifaLockhart

I keep hearing about how powerful Blue Beetle is, but I'm not too familiar with him.

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#16  Edited By XiiX

@sandiego008 said:

Etrigan should win this.

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#17  Edited By Simon_the_digger

@King Saturn said:

I think Etrigan would win in a tough fight with Blue Beetle.
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#18  Edited By Joygirl

Bump.

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#19  Edited By Dark_Fang

Gonna give it to Etrigan.

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#20  Edited By Outside_85

Etrigan Jamie is far too inexperienced.

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#21  Edited By Esquire

Jamie's handled Eclipso, and he has anti-magic tech. He used it against Spectre. (Although Spectre was far, far too powerful for it to work.) Added to that, he has nukes and claims he can "Turn the Planet to Cinders." I'm giving this one to Jamie, especially since the Scarab will be able to go all battle-computer on The Demon with moral off.

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BB's scarab has stated that magic is just another form of science IIRC. He has countered magic before. Just saying.

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Nukes wouldn't phase Etrigan.

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#25  Edited By HigorM

The Morals OFF Etrigan will just burn BB into the ground..

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blue beetle wins after good fight

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@higorm: BB can shield himself....and just fly away from the fire.

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@higorm: so etrigan once broke alan scotts shields?? ok??

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@esquire said:

Jamie's handled Eclipso, and he has anti-magic tech. He used it against Spectre. (Although Spectre was far, far too powerful for it to work.) Added to that, he has nukes and claims he can "Turn the Planet to Cinders." I'm giving this one to Jamie, especially since the Scarab will be able to go all battle-computer on The Demon with moral off.

Jaime has also mentioned that the Scarab gets screwy around magic, though. Its effectiveness against magic is inconsistent, (it couldn't identify or properly counter some magically-summoned demons once), and the Spectre feat really proves nothing. How close was he to actually trapping Spectre? We don't know, so it's not a huge deal.

And you're also ignoring speed, which is a bad plan. Jaime has decent reaction feats, but nothing to put him on a level to counter a Superman-ish level speed blitz. Etrigan has reacted to a blitzing Superman. Advantage: The Demon.

Scarab's durability is okay, but one punch from Lobo winded him, and Etrigan is of comparable strength to Lobo and won't hesitate to pound on Jaime since morals are off. If the Scarab can arm something wacky like the Strong Force Negator and get a couple blasts off in time, BB might take a win. But he simply doesn't have the speed and durability to hold out against Etrigan, and his encounters with magic are inconsistent at best.

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@esquire: are you arguing against yourself? o.O

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of course i know who he is. but his shields broke, is it THAT big a deal??? I dont think so

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im sure BB has done it before is all. He "beat" Guy Gardner on his first day as BB when he didnt know what he was doing. this is morals off. Scarab gave Jaime options on which weapons to use on the Spectre but Jaime refused to use them. BB is no joke. I havnt stated who I think would win. I'm just saying

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@higorm said:

@esquire: are you arguing against yourself? o.O

I'm winning, though.

im sure BB has done it before is all. He "beat" Guy Gardner on his first day as BB when he didnt know what he was doing. this is morals off. Scarab gave Jaime options on which weapons to use on the Spectre but Jaime refused to use them. BB is no joke. I havnt stated who I think would win. I'm just saying

He couldn't break Guy's shields in that encounter, though. He cracked one, but he got dominated anyway. I know that he wasn't as experienced, but still. And Alan Scott is leagues above anything Guy has ever done. Breaking his constructs isn't the pinnacle of all feats, but it's still very impressive. And we don't know that Scarab's first options would have actually done anything the Spectre. The one he eventually used didn't do anything at all, so I don't have a ton of confidence that his first choices would have fared any better. Blue Beetle is very powerful, and much more so with morals off. But he doesn't really have the durability or reaction speed to take a majority against Lobo.

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im sure BB has done it before is all. He "beat" Guy Gardner on his first day as BB when he didnt know what he was doing.

Au contraire --- he failed spectacularly.

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@esquire: Cracking a Lantern shield on his first day on the job is pretty impressive. Yes Scott is better but the point remains that he broke a Lanterns shields on the FIRST day. The encounter with the spectre leaves us wondering what could have been. Jaime didnt like the options given to him by the scarab because he knew it'd result in the loss of innocent lives. We dont know if it would have worked, but we do know that he what he was facing and the Scarab had option(s) for Jaime which he decided against.

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#39  Edited By Esquire

@esquire: Cracking a Lantern shield on his first day on the job is pretty impressive. Yes Scott is better but the point remains that he broke a Lanterns shields on the FIRST day. The encounter with the spectre leaves us wondering what could have been. Jaime didnt like the options given to him by the scarab because he knew it'd result in the loss of innocent lives. We dont know if it would have worked, but we do know that he what he was facing and the Scarab had option(s) for Jaime which he decided against.

He didn't break Guy's shield though. He barely managed to put a crack in it, and Guy beat him without all that much trouble. It's nowhere near a good enough feat to put BB above a Superman-level character. Scans:

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And when he attacked the Spectre, it was totally ineffective. If Scarab knew it wouldn't do anything, why would it try the Anti-Magic bubble? There is no reason to believe that the other options it suggested would have been any more effective. Since we have absolutely no evidence that Jaime could hurt the Spectre and there is some evidence to suggest he could not, I don't at all count it as a feat putting him above Etrigan.

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@esquire: I wasnt putting him above Etrigan, I was just mentioning that I'm sure he could crack a GL shield too. Thats all.

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Cracking the crappiest lantern's shield <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< utterly destroying the best lantern's shield. That's just math. BB still has potential but I am beginning to lean towards Etrigan for reasons stated above.

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@esquire: I wasnt putting him above Etrigan, I was just mentioning that I'm sure he could crack a GL shield too. Thats all.

Depends on the Lantern ---- maybe some rookies might get their shields broken, but BB's not going to make much headway against elites like, say, Sinestro, whose defensive capabilities are good enough to shrug off his whole planet getting obliterated. Alan's more powerful than Sinestro, so Etrigan breaking his shields is a tad more impressive than BB making some hairline fractures in Gardner's shield.

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@citizenbane: Meh, I'll concede...until he does it. I can't with full confidence say that he COULD do it just cause he cracked Guy Gardners shield on the first day.

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Are we talking potential or here and now?

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@esquire said:

@higorm said:

@esquire: are you arguing against yourself? o.O

I'm winning, though.

LOL, I can see that! Classic!

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Jamie with no morals? Etrigan is in trouble when the Scarb uses it fullpower on him.

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#48  Edited By spiderbuck1

Etrigan. Jaime has the potential, but not the feats to take him. That can very well change in the future though.

Now I'm curious about Guy Gardner vs Etrigan though.

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@spiderbuck: Not worth making since Etrigan > Alan Scott and Alan Scott >>>>>>> Guy Gardner.

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#50  Edited By spiderbuck1

Is there another battle I'm missing that you can post? Not trying to be snarky, but the one where Etrigan cracked Alan Scott's shield ended where it looks like Alan had the upper hand.

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@spiderbuck: Not worth making since Etrigan > Alan Scott

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