Thanos and Silver Surfer vs Justice League

Random encounter/no prep.

The JL consists of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Flash (Wally West), Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Aquaman, Cyborg, Atom (Ray Palmer), Green Arrow, Black Canary, Zatanna, Hawkman, and Hawkgirl.

Duo are bloodlusted.

The JL are all as post-Crisis.

The JL's morals are off, but they are not bloodlusted.

Win by KO/death/if someone surrenders.

No BFR.

Location: Meteor Falls

Which team wins?

Team stomps.

If Thanos does not have prep, amps or artifacts of any kind-

Hal Jordan Green Lantern can, at the very least keep Silver Surfer occupied for quite a long while.

The rest of the JLA (specifically Superman, Wonder Woman, Wally West Flash, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, and Zatanna (the rest are kinda fodder) can stop Thanos.

Depending on which side wins first, they can help their teammate(s) out with their opponent afterwards.

Justice League.

League.

The Justice League wins.

Undecided. I'll wait for arguments, but this seems solidly in the teams favor.

thanos and surfer easily thanos might solo

Hahahahahahaha

If Thanos and Surfer are morals off, and just go for massive AOE, then maybe they could pull a win or something.

Probably the league.

Thanos and surfer

i do't know whats funny about it but it's true if justice league league had prep they might have a chance but as is surfer takes down lantern and supes in seconds and possibly flash thanos destroys everyone else surfer could solo most by himself thanos is more powerful than surfer so he could probably solo everyone then add the 2 together and you have a stomp.

Thanos uses the silver surfer as a club to beat the league to death

Lantern and distract surfer long enough for MMH and Supes to kill Thanos. Then the team beats surfer. MMH is way to powerful.

This

MMH beats Thanos? Now this is funny

Never said that!! I said MMH and Supes

I agree with you Surfer will be busy, but not by Lantern alone, probably Lantern and Wally.

LOL, no way MMH and Supes can kill Thanos. That dude even without amped can mop the floor with MMH and Supes and WW.

MMH and Superman beat Thanos? Now this is funny

thanos wins.

A lot of people here are non-factors.

Thanos kills everyone here except Wally, then TP's him. Surfer watches with popcorn.

And lol @ MMH beating Thanos. I'm a MMH fanboy, and I can tell you that.

A bloodlusted thanos and surfer? Well surfer or thanos both come in hard when serious. So in char I would expect at least one of them to use a.o.e. Attack. A bloodlusted attack with the power cosmic against unpreped opponents..... Arrow both Hawks for sure are dead. Possible dead. Wally, canary and zan.

I neither is likly to use tp. Not neither is likly to succumb to it either. Surfer is likly to use mater manip tho. He does in char from time to time. And talks often about how he could. That is the end of cyborg.

I don't know who is rocking the power to put thanos down in his current for he's above his old base. And his mind is still his best weapon. If he wants them all dead no one is distracting him. Aquaman atom there not getting to attack from the side lines. I would expect his fist serious kill to be gl. It superman just due to the fact he will be I his face. He will even the numbers. the big hitters don't have enough to put thanos down without everyone. I also don't know how they keep surfer down he can reform and tbh even morals on not bloodlusted he (the much debated but prevailing opinion). He is already above superman. thanos before his new upgrade is a tier above him. cosmic awareness can make this figh a easy win against mm it actually can make him fodder due to his fire weakness

Team need prior knowledge or strip cosmic awareness away. As it makes this a stomp. Thanos and siurfef bloodlusted will have a to link thanos is smart enough to do and in char works with whoever can achieve his goals. Surfer to so he has cosmic awareness to. That's is basically prep with his mind

Thanos and Silver Surfer cannot take the combined TP attack of both Aquaman and Martian Manhunter. They aren’t winning the physical fight either. Team stomps.

Lol, and lol.

What has MMH or Aquaman done in way of TP on par with Thanos? And seeing as Surfer is bloodlusted, Aquaman would die instantly from an AoE attack from Surfer, along with everyone else 'cept MMH, Superman, Wonder Woman and Hal. Possibly Zatanna.

And what can they do physically?

Feels like a bait thread

@boblegod: Thanos can handle mind gem powered telepathic attacks from Moon dragon.

And who is putting thanks down physically putting him down. Or how do they keep surfer down. There numbers are going to dwindle. Bloodlusted surfer has a incredible toolbox. And thanos is to smart and to tanky. He rips them apart one by one.

@revan2424:

What TP feats does Thanos have to suggest he can take both Aquaman and Martian Manhunter?

And how about physically beat him up as in punching him?

@crest:

Martian Manhunter+Aquaman>Moondragon w/ mind gem.

Surfer can get KOd also. Many of the characters here than matters have pretty good combat speed and that can be amped by Wally West who can speed lend. How is Thanos even tagging them?

Duo quite easily.

@boblegod:

Mm= moon dragon (or he just edges her) b

Mind gem mood dragon>>base moon dragon

Aqua man is most likly dead in the opening attack. If he's not well thanos can defend mm and burn out Aqua mans mind as he can elepathically throw down with big g. Thanos also just took out thane....he's not going down to t.p. In fact he had never gone down to tp. I have no idea why you think he would now.

And with cosmic awarnes Thanos just pictures fire and reduces mm to fodder.

@crest:

How did you get to the conclusion that Moondragon is on the same level as Martian Manhunter. What feats with the mind gem puts her above Martian Manhunter let alone the combined might of Aquaman?

Martian Manhunter has been able to with go up against Spectre, an army of white martians who are all telepaths, Maggedon, and many other powerful people like reality warpers. Being able to go up with Galactus isn't enough. And you act like Martian Manhunter hasn't overcome this before. Aquaman is also not to be slept on either. Just because he hasn't't been taken down by TP It doesn't mean he can't.

And what do you mean first attack? Thanos and Silver Surfer will be blitzed immediately so he doesn't even get the first attack. They have too much to go against such as magic, Flash ability to speed steal them and lend speed to his team making them even harder to tag, Martian Manhunter and Aquaman TP, and some serious blows from people neither of them can tag.

TP from Moondragon couldn't take him down.

And they aren't powerful enough for their punches to do any damage.

@revan2424:

And? What feats does Moondragon with the mind gem have to put her above Martian Manhunter with Aquaman?

Pretty sure Superman, Flash, Martian Manhunter, and Green Lantern combined can harm Thanos especially if Wally lends them speed which not only increases their hits but also their energy attacks. Thanos isn't putting this team down with his telepathy and he isn't tagging them.

The league doesn't have the power output to take down thanos, adding the surfer makes this battle alot more lopsided, surfer drains gl and messes with the Martian by producing fire while thanos does what he's been doing since his first appearance, people like green arrow and hawkman get one shotted by the shockwaves of the fight

@BobLeGod: surfer won't have a problem tagging anyone besides flash, he's got a nanosecond reaction feat

Surfer could always just planet bust too which would take out a lot of these leaguers

She had the MIND GEM, hombre.

And what feats suggest they can harm Thanos? Thanos can shrug off attacks from Thor, with better striking than all of them. and Wally is taken out, nigh instantly by the planet being destroyed by Surfer.

@darkseidthanos:

Surfer has normal combat speed. Show me a time when Surfer has actually moved his limbs at super speed? He’s been tagged by Thor, Spider-Man, Hulk, Thanos, and Thing. Also, I’m pretty sure GL, Superman, and Martian Manhunter has nanosecond feats also. Even if they don’t it doesn’t really matter if Flash can lend them speed. Especially if he can take away that speed neutralizing any gap there is.

GL and Zatanna can help protect who needs protecting from planet busting attacks also.

@revan2424:

You stating she has the mind gen is an argument now? Again. What feats does Moondragon with the mind gem have to say she’s greater than Aquaman+Martian Manhunter?

And Wally can phase so that planet busting attack doesn’t even matter. Superman has planet busting attacks, Green Lantern has planet busting attacks, Martian Manhunter rivals Superman, and Flash can oneshot Superman level beings. Thanos cannot take the combined might of all of these characters at once. Especially considering that Wally speed amping them essentially doubles their power.

@BobLeGod: surfer has nanosecond reaction feats, I won't even address this cause its common knowledge and since supes has been tagged by Batman etc. throughtout his history I don't see the point in you bringing up surfer being tagged by people in the same league that have tagged supes, you should know what PIS is by now

How is gl going to protect anyone when his ring has been drained by surfer? And what feats does Zatanna have to warrant her protecting people from planetary destruction?

And how are they going to put down thanos, someone who survived the concussive force of a two light year wide black hole, took blasts from Odin after Odin had one shotted surfer (someone which durability as good as any of the leaguers) and further amped his powers with gugnir but still didn't put down the titan, someone who was beating annihilus, annihilus who stomped gladiator (someone who's flown thru stars), withstood surfers planet busting attacks without flinching, matched and beat a star buster? What damage output feats does the league have exatcly?

Okey dokey buddy. Moondragon wihout the Mind Gem was able to mind control an entire planet. Which is already above both MMH, and Aquaman, unless you can present feats, but I doubt you can procure an MMH feat I haven't seen. She also KILLED Drax with a psionic blast. With the mind gem, she was able to mind control almost everyone in the universe IIRC.

MMH and Aquaman ain't doin shit.

You are aware once the planet is destroyed, Wally should suffocate. Or he would still die, because he can't phase forever. Superman has never planet busted once in his entire publication. Hal hasn't planet busted AFAIK, but Kyle has, so I guess Hal can. MMH is inferior to Superman in strength, and your Flash point is irrelevant. Thanos takes them easy, and kills Wally's mind first.

I don't see the Team triumph over the duo. At all.

Duo. Thanos is enough tbh.

@darkseidthanos:

Because you’ve said that Silver Surfer has nanosecond reaction speed as if that somehow changes anything. There’s plenty of Justice League members besides Flash that has nanosecond feats. And him being tagged isn’t PIS when he has never even shown the ability to fight at super speeds. You won’t address it because you can’t disprove it other than calling it “PIS” with no context, historical background, and any sort of reasoning besides him staring he did something within a nanosecond.

Okay, then how is Silver Surfer going to drain green lantern his energy has already been drained by Flash? And you do realize that Green Lantern can energy drain also right? And is he immediately doing a planet busting attack or is he draining green lantern first? Pick one. And Zatanna can use matter manipulation so I dont see why she can’t make people go intangible. Even if she can’t, that can be handled by Green Lantern.

How does the length of the black hole matter? The pull is going to be the same strength and going to have the same effects. And what is so “concussive” about a black hole? That’s a good feat on Thanos part on Odin but didn’t his shields do most of the work? And that goes under energy feats not blunt force. When did Silver Surfer use planet busting attacks on Thanos and what starbreaker? The league has a bunch of planet busters who can get amped. Wally has been able to break through Anti-Monitors armor who was a universal threat and when he amped the JLA they were also able to bust through his armor. Before that they couldn’t even scratch him armor and this is PC Superman.

What do they do when they start getting TPd? What do they do if Zatanna time freezes? What do they do if she says “pots” which was even able to stop Despero(the same dude who has embarrassed Martian Manhunter and Aquaman along with breaching the rest of JLA tp defenses and also has the best TP defense here by FAR)? What do they do when Wally speed lends the team and all of them are too fast for Thanos and SS to tag? What do they do when Wally start taking their speed? What do they do when they starting getting rocked by multiple planet busters who are all amped?

@BobLeGod: after reading your post I've come to the conclusion that you don't know enough of the characters you're debating against, I apologise for tagging you first cause I'm in no mood to educate you, maybe someone else will

@revan2424:

Mind control an entire planet? Is that it? You’re the same dude who just coined yourself as a “Martian Manhunter fanboy” yet that’s all you give? If you were a MM fanboy you would know that not only does MM have planet level feats but he’s already beaten planet level telepaths. How does that compare to beaching Spectres mind? This isn’t just some weak Spectre that comes around from time to time. This version of Spectre already had universal TP feats. What do you mean if you recall correctly? Can you direct me to the issue or provide any sort of context behind this if it did happen?

It says no BFR. How does blowing up the battlefield count as BFR? And Flash can breathe in space. The speed force is what supports him. He’s even ran for several weeks straight before but he can’t vibrate long enough to win the fight?

Superman can defiantly planet bust. He was able to split a moon a half. He’s stated himself that he can planet bust also but why would he if he’s supposed to be saving everyone? Martian Manhunter is around the same level as Superman.

@darkseidthanos:

I’m pretty sure I’ve read more comics than you on about all of these characters including Thanos and Silver Surfer. I’m also pretty sure that most of the information you get on these characters is out of context scans, respect threads, and word of mouth from a bunch of people who didn’t even read the characters themselves. You know you can’t make a proper rebuttal so you have to go with “you don’t know anything!” argument which is an obvious cop out. Don’t tag me unless you’re willing to take another L.

@BobLeGod: Wow, someone who doesn't know surfer has super speed and that thanos DIDNT use shields against Odin just said all this to me? And take another L? Where? On a comicbook website where fanboys wank feats all day instead of having a real life? Calm down there buddy, you just made me lose interest, if you wanna take that as a win tho go ahead since you probably don't have enough in real life

Look at all the people in this thread who know the duo win before you go around claiming wins against people who instead of playing ball with you got bored and smacked the ball in your face