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Round 1:

Spiderman has no morals

Batman has morals

Round 2:

Spiderman has morals

Batman no morals

Both rounds take place in Gotham at night in a non-populated area

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Spider-Man ends the fight in less than a minute. He could blitz, web his head off, falcon punch him, etc.

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Spidey one shot kills

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Wtf is current batman

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@dmnb2wavy: losing this match, that's what

The only recent change is losing $100 billion and moving out of the Batcave.

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Well seeing as it's a random encounter as not stated otherwise I'm thinking bruce dies pretty bad here

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Batmam was recently Theron Greyjoyed

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Is current Batman different some how?

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@jashro44: He would have to get a huge buff if he was. Even with prep, Spidey wins. Parker particles.

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@jashro44: He would have to get a huge buff if he was. Even with prep, Spidey wins. Parker particles.

Peter wouldn't use Parker particles and while I haven't been keeping up with Spencer's run admittedly I don't think he has access to those anymore.

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@jashro44: Spencer's run used to be amazing. I can tell you're a fellow Spidey fan. When did Peter lose them?

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Spiderman will always stomp a non-prepped Batman that isn't juiced on someone ridiculous superpower.

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@jashro44: Spencer's run used to be amazing. I can tell you're a fellow Spidey fan. When did Peter lose them?

Well he lost his company in Slotts run. Where I last read Slotts run Peter didn't have the resource she use to have.

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@jashro44: Different in that he has to fix his own Batsuit without the fortune he had. There's a version in Deathmetal but that's a temp storyline version.

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#15  Edited By jashro44

@ashrym said:

@jashro44: Different in that he has to fix his own Batsuit without the fortune he had. There's a version in Deathmetal but that's a temp storyline version.

What does this mean? My initial reaction is it sounds like he has less resources and would be inferior than regular batman.

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@jashro44: He lost his fortune and resources during Joker War. I would call it a downgrade.

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@jashro44: to an extent. After Joker war when Joker stole Bruce Waynes wealth then paid journalists to say Bruce handles money illegally, after re-acquiring his cash he gave it to Lucius Fox so he could manage Wayne industries, he can no longer fund Batman as his being watched by the world on how he spends his cash.

Although his suit is subtly better then his other ones, he like spider-man can wall crawl, his suit like others will had the x-ray vision, its extremely durable and can take batwing automatic gunfire, he can still call the batwing and batmobile, he just can’t needlessly get them destroyed, if he’s losing call Hellbat GG but being realistic he wouldn’t. He also has attack drones that can fire at enemies autonomously.

He’s also gotten better stats over this 2016 run.

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Honestly batman wins, if wasn’t for the battle take place in Gotham I may have said Spidey wins

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@firstmanofsteei: @ashrym:Sounds like he still has a lot of resources. But if it is a down grade spider-man should stomp. He would wreck in normal conditions.

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#20  Edited By FirstManOfsteeI

@jashro44: @ashrym: The thing is this is still taking place in Gotham, if Bruce is losing he will run away and Spidey won’t find him, that and he has several batcaves to restock most equipment, several tunnels, teleporters to the watchtower or batcave, and a bat-train. Assuming he’s not going to use any suits (Insider, Thrasher, Hellbat, Super Cyborg Superman) he could use the batmobile or batwing to take out spidey in conjunction with drones to take out spidey. But in all honestly it won’t get that far Batman has flashbangs capable of blinding Superman, depending on how dangerous he assess spider-man he maybe forced to permanently blind him, then use knockout gas or have drones use anesthetic needles or sonics to Ko spidey. Bruce had the gear to win it’s just if he decides to use them really.

I give it to Bruce.

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The thing is this is still taking place in Gotham, if Bruce is losing he will run away and Spidey won’t find him, that and he has several batcaves to restock most equipment, several tunnels, teleporters to the watchtower or batcave, and a bat-train.

If Batman retreats that is considered a loss. Also Spider-man can run faster than Batman so Peter wont let him get away.

Assuming he’s not going to use any suits (Insider, Thrasher, Hellbat, Super Cyborg Superman) he could use the batmobile or batwing to take out spidey in conjunction with drones to take out spidey.

  1. This strategy only applies to round 2 at best.
  2. Batman doesn't have prep
  3. Sometimes bringing more fire power to a fight is a bad thing. If batman just fires a bunch of missiles to where he is he will likely be caught in the blast radius as well. Or Peter could just dodge them and the destruction and debris will make it impossible for batman to keep track of spider-man making it easier to get taken off guard. Its easier for Spider-man to blitz batman and punch him.

But in all honestly it won’t get that far Batman has flashbangs capable of blinding Superman,

Peter can fight blind with spider-sense.

depending on how dangerous he assess spider-man he maybe forced to permanently blind him, then use knockout gas or have drones use anesthetic needles or sonics to Ko spidey.

Peter has dealt with gas and he can actually hold his breath for an extraordinarily long time,

Bruce had the gear to win it’s just if he decides to use them really.

I give it to Bruce.

Its nothing Spider-man hasn't dealt with before.

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@jashro44: He still has resources after a board settlement for a respectable annual income. He doesn't have the Batcave or money to burn now, and he doesn't have his company's R&D working for him. He fixes his own suit, his car, etc. No more AI drones and stuff.

The exact words were "a leaner Batman".

He not in a better position to beat Spiderman than before.

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@ashrym said:

@jashro44: He still has resources after a board settlement for a respectable annual income. He doesn't have the Batcave or money to burn now, and he doesn't have his company's R&D working for him. He fixes his own suit, his car, etc. No more AI drones and stuff.

The exact words were "a leaner Batman".

He not in a better position to beat Spiderman than before.

I see. Spider-man should stomp in that case.

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@ffs91: Read Batman 101 for the explanation. The process of losing the money was over multiple issues of the Joker War storyline. It's recent.

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The thing is this is still taking place in Gotham, if Bruce is losing he will run away and Spidey won’t find him, that and he has several batcaves to restock most equipment, several tunnels, teleporters to the watchtower or batcave, and a bat-train.

If Batman retreats that is considered a loss. Also Spider-man can run faster than Batman so Peter wont let him get away

Your missing somethings, if Batman disappears Spidey no matter how fast will not find him, at this point Batman’s disappearance ability is basically a hax since Superman, MMH, flash and countless others can’t find Batman when he disappears. There is also nothing that says bats can’t temporarily retreat him not retreating would be out of character.

Assuming he’s not going to use any suits (Insider, Thrasher, Hellbat, Super Cyborg Superman) he could use the batmobile or batwing to take out spidey in conjunction with drones to take out spidey.

  1. This strategy only applies to round 2 at best.
  2. Batman doesn't have prep
  3. Sometimes bringing more fire power to a fight is a bad thing. If batman just fires a bunch of missiles to where he is he will likely be caught in the blast radius as well. Or Peter could just dodge them and the destruction and debris will make it impossible for batman to keep track of spider-man making it easier to get taken off guard. Its easier for Spider-man to blitz batman and punch him.

1. Its in character in the dark designs arc when hunting the assassins he used his batmobile, batwing and drones to neutralise the assassin sent to kill citizens of Gotham.

2. Hes not getting any prep all of Batman gear is automated and can be summoned from command or utility belt, Batman is oblivious to both

3. Batman will be in either the batwing or Batmobile, he’s not gonna get close if he seems Spidey to strong.

But in all honestly it won’t get that far Batman has flashbangs capable of blinding Superman,

Peter can fight blind with spider-sense.

He can’t actually fight blind, he can dodge blind, and as long as his Spidey sense gives him an idea of where the indicidual is throwing say a kick, Peter is smart enough to guess their location and counterattack.

Issue is when your opponent is Batman once Spidey is blinded, if bats attacks and peter counter attacks, when bats sees peter not continuing the attack it will become clear he has senses that give him a location advantage when being attacked.

From there Batman can just place Sonic weaponry in multiple areas and knockout Spider-Man that way.

Bruce had the gear to win it’s just if he decides to use them really.

I give it to Bruce.

Its nothing Spider-man hasn't dealt with before.

I could even mention Batman already fought Black spider so Spidey isnt anything new either. He will fall the moment the batmobile or batwing are involved indefinitely.

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@jashro44 said:
@ashrym said:

@jashro44: He still has resources after a board settlement for a respectable annual income. He doesn't have the Batcave or money to burn now, and he doesn't have his company's R&D working for him. He fixes his own suit, his car, etc. No more AI drones and stuff.

The exact words were "a leaner Batman".

He not in a better position to beat Spiderman than before.

I see. Spider-man should stomp in that case.

Actually he still has the drones he just can’t continue making them, he still has the bat cave and bat caves over gothem although they have been tarnished but they still have gear in them. Not sure if you remember but he called the drones back, cause to many of them were getting destroyed so they still are there.

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Lol at Batman running away from someone like 10 times faster than him.

Thanks for reading,

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Your missing somethings, if Batman disappears Spidey no matter how fast will not find him, at this point Batman’s disappearance ability is basically a hax since Superman, MMH, flash and countless others can’t find Batman when he disappears. There is also nothing that says bats can’t temporarily retreat him not retreating would be out of character.

He wont be doing that to Spider-man because of Spider-sense. Its not something which can be escaped because it works through Spider-man's connection to the web of life which is literally the fabric of the multiverse IIRC.

1. Its in character in the dark designs arc when hunting the assassins he used his batmobile, batwing and drones to neutralise the assassin sent to kill citizens of Gotham.

Are you talking about issue 86? Because even there he used a grappling hook to drag Deathstroke and than fought him H2H.

2. Hes not getting any prep all of Batman gear is automated and can be summoned from command or utility belt, Batman is oblivious to both

He doesn't do that in character.

3. Batman will be in either the batwing or Batmobile, he’s not gonna get close if he seems Spidey to strong.

By the time he figures out spider-man has super strength it will be to late. Its also not like batman just runs to the batmobile every time he is out matched.

He can’t actually fight blind, he can dodge blind, and as long as his Spidey sense gives him an idea of where the indicidual is throwing say a kick, Peter is smart enough to guess their location and counterattack.

Issue is when your opponent is Batman once Spidey is blinded, if bats attacks and peter counter attacks, when bats sees peter not continuing the attack it will become clear he has senses that give him a location advantage when being attacked.

He can use spider-sense for tracking. He's done it before. He also fought Iron Fist in the dark and was able to counter him fine.

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From there Batman can just place Sonic weaponry in multiple areas and knockout Spider-Man that way.

He wont have the chance. I also would like to see feats for Batman's current sonic weapons.

I could even mention Batman already fought Black spider so Spidey isnt anything new either. He will fall the moment the batmobile or batwing are involved indefinitely.

Black Spider is nothing like Spider-man.

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Lol at Batman running away from someone like 10 times faster than him.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Tell that to Superman and all the other characters he has ran away without a trace. FYI it’s actually called batmanning.

Thanks for reading,

FirstManOfSteel.

^I thought it would be cool to add that part but it’s lame, not sure why anyone would do that.

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@jashro44:

Your missing somethings, if Batman disappears Spidey no matter how fast will not find him, at this point Batman’s disappearance ability is basically a hax since Superman, MMH, flash and countless others can’t find Batman when he disappears. There is also nothing that says bats can’t temporarily retreat him not retreating would be out of character.

He wont be doing that to Spider-man because of Spider-sense. Its not something which can be escaped because it works through Spider-man's connection to the web of life which is literally the fabric of the multiverse IIRC.

Thats nice but it’s irrelevant, the spider-sense is an avoidance ability not a sensory ability. That’s why people less skilled have been able to escape spider-man repeatedly, the force behind it is irrelevant when it’s feats show that he’s been escaped by black cat or how he couldn’t find gweb when she fell of the bridge. He wont find Batman if he dips.

1. Its in character in the dark designs arc when hunting the assassins he used his batmobile, batwing and drones to neutralise the assassin sent to kill citizens of Gotham.

Are you talking about issue 86? Because even there he used a grappling hook to drag Deathstroke and than fought him H2H.

He didn’t even use the drones in 86, he used the drones from 89 to about 93. He also didn’t opt for hand2hand until deathstroke hoped on the batwing. Your also forgetting that batman won’t engage a vastly superior opponent in a battle of strength as seen when Supes was under Mind control or when he fought Gotham, he exploits physiological weaknesses, stuff like people senses, sight, hearing, smell, attacks people using anesthetic and countless other drugs even on occassion using feat toxin.

2. Hes not getting any prep all of Batman gear is automated and can be summoned from command or utility belt, Spider-Man is oblivious to both

He doesn't do that in character.

This is bad joke or you don’t read Batman, he uses his gear all the time he is almost nothing without it, even in current comics with his wealth compromised nothing has really changed, he still relies on gear he isn’t foing to change his physiology to become a better Batman, at his core Batman values his humanity. He uses gear on every mission. Spider-man is oblcious to the fear that can be summoned especially since they are in Gotham.

3. Batman will be in either the batwing or Batmobile, he’s not gonna get close if he seems Spidey to strong.

By the time he figures out spider-man has super strength it will be to late. Its also not like batman just runs to the batmobile every time he is out matched.

True but being to close to Batman can prove fatal in his chest is a speaker that can ko metahumans from the sound, in the event Batman punch’s Spidey with no effect and he gets grabbed he can simply activate it leaving Spidey unconscious from the sound. That’s how prepared he is. In the event Spidey isn’t unconscious Batman will now know Spidey is strong.

He can’t actually fight blind, he can dodge blind, and as long as his Spidey sense gives him an idea of where the indicidual is throwing say a kick, Peter is smart enough to guess their location and counterattack.

Issue is when your opponent is Batman once Spidey is blinded, if bats attacks and peter counter attacks, when bats sees peter not continuing the attack it will become clear he has senses that give him a location advantage when being attacked.

He can use spider-sense for tracking. He's done it before. He also fought Iron Fist in the dark and was able to counter him fine.

Whilst it is improved its far from a sensory ability that works over great distances. I would also wager that the ability isn’t consistent, spider-man is a character I read often read all 3 spider-verses, read amazing spider-man with events like clone saga, read spider-geddon, superior spider-man, I started the recent run with that old lady who is friends with Captain America and I swear I have never seen him use that ability. I don’t even know what run that would be from, I’ve seen the amazing spider-man run where he meets silk at the start, sense the one he dies getting shot threw the chest by taskmaster saving cap. That ability can’t be consistent. But like I said it doesn’t seem like something that works over a large distance.

From there Batman can just place Sonic weaponry in multiple areas and knockout Spider-Man that way.

He wont have the chance. I also would like to see feats for Batman's current sonic weapons.

I can get more if necessary.

I could even mention Batman already fought Black spider so Spidey isnt anything new either. He will fall the moment the batmobile or batwing are involved indefinitely.

Black Spider is nothing like Spider-man.

I just meant on a fundamental level not in terms of stats, or behaviours Peter is far more unpredictable than black spider, but Bruce is at an advantage since Spidey is bloodlusted any Spider-Man fan knows he does stupid stuff when he’s angry that causes him to lose.

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@jashro44: got IRL stuff to do let’s continue this later

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Peter.

Batman's lack of money and toys don't really play into this since we still haven't seen how he's gonna do his stuff without does.

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Batman gets stomped lol what is this mismatch?

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#35  Edited By Yassassin

So "Current Batman" is just Batman with less gadgets? Peter Chin Checks.

GG

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Peter beats the DC trash into a bloody paste.

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Those drones were decimated by Deathstroke. What he has left were recalled but given that there are far fewer, they cannot be replaced, and Deathstroke was wrecking them faster than I eat popcorn I would say they are not going to be standard equipment or that they would give the win.

He doesn't have the Batcave because he moved out of Wayne Manor and into the city.

Batman actually does have gear that could help him here. The problem is he never uses it. Things like sonic grenades and emitters are so rare I would classify them as plot devices over standard equipment. Give him knowledge and 10 minutes prep and there's at least a reason to argue some of that equipment in. Don't add the giant robots disguised as buildings he's used once.

What Batman does in a random encounter without knowledge is hopes he instills fear in the superstitious criminal element for an advantage then uses body armor along with skill, intelligence, and h2h combat.

Spiderman outclassed Batman in strength and speed beyond what skill and Bruce's suit cover. I believe Bruce is smarter but not enough to apply it in this encounter.

No morals Spiderman physicals, spider sense, and webbing aren't going to struggle with Batman skill and typical gadgets.

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@ashrym: That’s were your wrong Batman just doesn’t like to waste equipment is s as simple as that , that’s why he pulled off the drones. And just because deathstroke was destroying the drones with automatic gun doesn’t mean spider-man will be able with web shooters.

Batman will use his gadgets if he has too, he never uses it because he has no reason to use them, sure it could make life a lot more easier but he’d rather do things the hard way before resulting to drastic measures that’s why he doesn’t use Hellbat for street thugs.

In a scenario he is versing a vastly superior being, someone that can lift a train over his head he will result to haxed abilities like flash grenades, sonic weaponry, Batmobile, drones, it doesn’t help Batman has multiple sonics and electric shock devices in his suit.

Batman doesn’t just face off against superstitious criminals he faces If against other criminals Spidey wouldn’t be a first.

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@firstmanofsteei: spider would one shot batman if he tried using his full strengh

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Spider-man easily.

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#42  Edited By FirstManOfsteeI

@dmnb2wavy: maybe round 1 not round 2 with morals of Batman

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Thats nice but it’s irrelevant, the spider-sense is an avoidance ability not a sensory ability. That’s why people less skilled have been able to escape spider-man repeatedly, the force behind it is irrelevant when it’s feats show that he’s been escaped by black cat or how he couldn’t find gweb when she fell of the bridge. He wont find Batman if he dips.

This is incorrect. Peter has used his spider-sense for tracking on a number of occasions.

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I don't know where your getting the idea spider-sense is not a sensory ability.

He didn’t even use the drones in 86, he used the drones from 89 to about 93. He also didn’t opt for hand2hand until deathstroke hoped on the batwing.

No he went hand to hand with Deathstroke immediately.

Your also forgetting that batman won’t engage a vastly superior opponent in a battle of strength as seen when Supes was under Mind control or when he fought Gotham, he exploits physiological weaknesses, stuff like people senses, sight, hearing, smell, attacks people using anesthetic and countless other drugs even on occassion using feat toxin.

He knows nothing about Spider-man.

This is bad joke or you don’t read Batman, he uses his gear all the time he is almost nothing without it, even in current comics with his wealth compromised nothing has really changed, he still relies on gear he isn’t foing to change his physiology to become a better Batman, at his core Batman values his humanity. He uses gear on every mission. Spider-man is oblcious to the fear that can be summoned especially since they are in Gotham.

This is a paragraph of nothing. Your going to need to cite examples. I've already shown batman dragging Deathstroke into a hand to hand fight.

True but being to close to Batman can prove fatal in his chest is a speaker that can ko metahumans from the sound, in the event Batman punch’s Spidey with no effect and he gets grabbed he can simply activate it leaving Spidey unconscious from the sound. That’s how prepared he is. In the event Spidey isn’t unconscious Batman will now know Spidey is strong.

I am going to need an issue number for this speaker in his chest. And he is suppose to activate it before Spider-man simply punches his head off?

Whilst it is improved its far from a sensory ability that works over great distances.

Why does he need to use it over great distances? The OP never specified starting distance. That means they begin "close". Beyond that why would Spider-man need to track batman over great distances?

I would also wager that the ability isn’t consistent, spider-man is a character I read often read all 3 spider-verses, read amazing spider-man with events like clone saga, read spider-geddon, superior spider-man, I started the recent run with that old lady who is friends with Captain America and I swear I have never seen him use that ability.

If that were the case why would Mysterio need to specifically prep to disable Spider-man's spider-sense to have his illusions be effective? This has been established as a capability of spider-sense since the Stan Lee days. Its been mostly consistent.

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I don’t even know what run that would be from, I’ve seen the amazing spider-man run where he meets silk at the start, sense the one he dies getting shot threw the chest by taskmaster saving cap. That ability can’t be consistent. But like I said it doesn’t seem like something that works over a large distance.

I don't see how any of this makes anything I said inconsistent.

I can get more if necessary.

First instance is not current batman. Its from an issue of detective comics published in 2013. Not familiar with the second instance but its really just knocking out regular humans. No one with the pain tolerance and super human durability of spider-man. He's endured sonics from hawkeye in the past.

I just meant on a fundamental level not in terms of stats, or behaviours Peter is far more unpredictable than black spider,

I mean its still a bad comparison. That's like me comparing Batman to Kingpin because there both wealthy billionaires. Black Spider is nothing like Spider-man.

but Bruce is at an advantage since Spidey is bloodlusted any Spider-Man fan knows he does stupid stuff when he’s angry that causes him to lose.

Depends on the context. There are some instances where a bloodlusted spider-man is more focused.

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Thats nice but it’s irrelevant, the spider-sense is an avoidance ability not a sensory ability. That’s why people less skilled have been able to escape spider-man repeatedly, the force behind it is irrelevant when it’s feats show that he’s been escaped by black cat or how he couldn’t find gweb when she fell of the bridge. He wont find Batman if he dips.

This is incorrect. Peter has used his spider-sense for tracking on a number of occasions.

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I don't know where your getting the idea spider-sense is not a sensory ability.

Dude you failed that simple.

I said the spider-sense was an avoidance system in that scan you posted spider-sense isn’t helping spider-man find people it’s helping him avoid them.

Its merely stomping him bumping into people that are approaching not running away it’s not used for tracking lol.

Heck I can even mention that’s classic spider-man but the above covers whats important.

He didn’t even use the drones in 86, he used the drones from 89 to about 93. He also didn’t opt for hand2hand until deathstroke hoped on the batwing.

No he went hand to hand with Deathstroke immediately.

Dead wrong, it only proves you haven’t read the dark designs arc, he put deathstroke in a maximum security prison which he designed personally, and deathstroke broke out, when he did he used drones to locate and fire at him.

He called them back because it was getting expensive and deathstroke was gunning them down. I even left the issues and you clearly didn’t read them.

Your also forgetting that batman won’t engage a vastly superior opponent in a battle of strength as seen when Supes was under Mind control or when he fought Gotham, he exploits physiological weaknesses, stuff like people senses, sight, hearing, smell, attacks people using anesthetic and countless other drugs even on occassion using feat toxin.

He knows nothing about Spider-man.

Who are talking about me or the guy I was arguing against, I’ve read a ridiculous amount of spider-man, clone saga, maximum clonage, clone conspiracy, spider-island, spider-verse all 3, spider-geddon, superior spider-man both runs, the run in whcih Peter dies defending cap from a sniper comes back later, run were he meets silk after the first spider-verse event, and I’ve started the latest run with that old lady who knew cap. So I hope your not projecting.

This is bad joke or you don’t read Batman, he uses his gear all the time he is almost nothing without it, even in current comics with his wealth compromised nothing has really changed, he still relies on gear he isn’t foing to change his physiology to become a better Batman, at his core Batman values his humanity. He uses gear on every mission. Spider-man is oblcious to the fear that can be summoned especially since they are in Gotham.

This is a paragraph of nothing. Your going to need to cite examples. I've already shown batman dragging Deathstroke into a hand to hand fight.

I did cite an example you skipped over it and pretended you knew Batman as a character only to be proven wrong and it’s hypocritical asking from examples when your scans are from classic era and not current.

True but being to close to Batman can prove fatal in his chest is a speaker that can ko metahumans from the sound, in the event Batman punch’s Spidey with no effect and he gets grabbed he can simply activate it leaving Spidey unconscious from the sound. That’s how prepared he is. In the event Spidey isn’t unconscious Batman will now know Spidey is strong.

I am going to need an issue number for this speaker in his chest. And he is suppose to activate it before Spider-man simply punches his head off?

All-star Batman issue 4. The entire suit is a sonic device that can be activated by voice recognition. It was capable of incaping talons who have ridiculous pain tolerance, basic sonics weren’t working so he kicked it up a notch.

So yeah bats activates it by voice before Peter tags him, assuming Peter is so fast he can outpace Batman is silly, Batman has reaction feats to deal with Peter, just cause peter dodges fast objects doesn’t speak for his speed since spider-sense warns him about something in advance not while it’s happening.

He’s not even a real bullet time that’s why in the arc Spidey lost his spider-sense he needed a bulletproof suit, cause he isn’t faster then a bullet.

I refer you to read The Amazing Spider-Man issue 656 if you havent read it already.

Whilst it is improved its far from a sensory ability that works over great distances.

Why does he need to use it over great distances? The OP never specified starting distance. That means they begin "close". Beyond that why would Spider-man need to track batman over great distances?

Batman unlike any other hero has no shame in retreating if he is losing, in the event Peter overwhelms him and he will he is going to escape, and Spidey definitely won’t find him if supes and other can’t, and this is only especially true since they are fighting in Gotham.

Also why would Batman be in close range of a clearly angered Metahuman. He’s a detective he will make the assumption he’s not human especially because of the suit and keep his distance. That and his visor tells him whether an individual is angered by checking ther heartbeat, this feature is often forgotten but it’s used in Arkham games which took that from the comics.

I would also wager that the ability isn’t consistent, spider-man is a character I read often read all 3 spider-verses, read amazing spider-man with events like clone saga, read spider-geddon, superior spider-man, I started the recent run with that old lady who is friends with Captain America and I swear I have never seen him use that ability.

If that were the case why would Mysterio need to specifically prep to disable Spider-man's spider-sense to have his illusions be effective? This has been established as a capability of spider-sense since the Stan Lee days. Its been mostly consistent.

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This is kinda embarrassing how can you say the ability for Spider-Man to track stuff with his spider-sense is consistent when you post scans of classic spider-man and not current.

The of the matter is the ability for spider-sense to track people doesn’t appear in current spider comics or I would’ve seen it in any of the runs I read.

I don’t even know what run that would be from, I’ve seen the amazing spider-man run where he meets silk at the start, sense the one he dies getting shot threw the chest by taskmaster saving cap. That ability can’t be consistent. But like I said it doesn’t seem like something that works over a large distance.

I don't see how any of this makes anything I said inconsistent.

Consistency is the least of your problems your claims aren’t credible you just used a classic comic of spider-man to say current spider-man is consistent and like I’ve said I’ve read a lot of spidey comics not classic ones and I’ve never come across this ability. You need to find repeated evidence that makes it consistent.

I can get more if necessary.

First instance is not current batman. Its from an issue of detective comics published in 2013. Not familiar with the second instance but its really just knocking out regular humans. No one with the pain tolerance and super human durability of spider-man. He's endured sonics from hawkeye in the past.

So you are aware of your hypocrisy. old comics don’t just the power, abilities, techniques etc of current characters so why mention classic spider-man at all.

but Bruce is at an advantage since Spidey is bloodlusted any Spider-Man fan knows he does stupid stuff when he’s angry that causes him to lose.

Depends on the context. There are some instances where a bloodlusted spider-man is more focused.

True, as A person who has read Spidey for a while I’ve seen him go threw some strange mood swings, sometimes when he’s not angry he’s focuses other times he behaves stupider then a child but has some stupid unpredictable plan and not in a hal Jordan type Of ways it’s thoroughly ridiculous. Angry Spidey has shown to be either more focused but less creative. That’s why I said he’s more predictable, a cool collected Spidey beats bloodlusted Spidey any day of the week tbh.

But Spidey isnt beat Bruce or at least not in the second round I haven’t even touch on the fact this is a fight to the death and no morals, meaning this is Batman out of chacatuer, Batman doesn’t kill hes morally correct heck you could say he’s the embodiment of morals as a character, and killing is also a no go. So I could say summons Hellbat from space GG for round 2. Or insider or whatever the biggest issue was is Bruce had a home turf advantage all he’s callable vehicles and suits are just a command away.

And even in round 1 between the knockout gas that incaps magical beings capable of beat WW and Supes, the tranquilsers that work on new gods, sonics in chest for gods sake, emps that shut down cyborg (bye bye webshooters), drones, flashbangs that can blind the man of steel. Spidey honestly can’t compete, Batman would only lose if he underestimated Spidey and he doesnt underestimate anyone.

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@firstmanofsteei: A morals off batman still loses. Spider-Man is too fast for him

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Spiderman wins easily.

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@firstmanofsteei: Those are still examples of once-and-done tech where Batman never uses them. It doesn't fall within standard equipment.

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@dmnb2wavy said:

@firstmanofsteei: A morals off batman still loses. Spider-Man is too fast for him

Yeah no he isn’t, his spider-sense gives him the appearance of being fast since he dodged before a projectile or punch is thrown but that’s it, it’s not a speed showing or a reaction showing since he dodges prior. You claim to know Spidey like the other but if you read the amazing spider-man run the first one you’d know when Spidey lost his spider-sense he got tagged by bullets. He’s a fake bullet timer, he dodges because he moves in advance he’s not actually that fast, and cant dodge bullets with pure speed that’s why he made his bulletproof suit in Amazing Spided-man issue 656 after Jameson’s wife died. And no he especially isn’t losing to morals of Batman, bats already has the tools to win it’s just about whether he uses them, especially since this is a fight to the death meaning this is an out of character Batman if he summons the Hellbat its GG, in fact just any suit bats has can solo and the fight is in gotham.

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@ashrym said:

@firstmanofsteei: Those are still examples of once-and-done tech where Batman never uses them. It doesn't fall within standard equipment.

That’s just your opinion and it’s not a good one since that so called never used tech was all used in the latest run of Batman. To say he doesn’t use them is ridiculous when he’s used them recently, the most important thing is it’s in his utility belt, if he’s shown to use an item without prep it’s standard gear, unless you can explain why it wouldn’t be there, and that makes no sense on a fundamental level considering his character. Next time know the character before saying stuff like that. Batman who likes to be prepared for everything isn’t just gonna say let me take this out of my utility belt. Quite the silly argument. Next your gonna tell me he took the sonics in his chest and arms out for no apparent reason.

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@senglord said:

Batmam was recently Theron Greyjoyed

Wait so Bruce had his (You know what) cut off?