Two is debatable based on Film Red. Where he blitzed and neggs Kizaru and flexes his Haki on both Kizaru and Fujitora at the same time at he end of the movie.
And he kinda bitched Aramaki in canon from over a 1000 mile radius with just Haki.
GB shit is literally canon to the story. What kind of argument is that? It isn't one.
Shanks freezing Ryokugyu momentarily was nothing else than a RED movie promotion. Ask Oda to rewrite that scene and it would probably not include the freezing part, Ryokugyu would just withdraw realizing the entire Yonko crew might be on his ass.On top of that it did 0 damage.
Kaido can defeat Fuji and GB,Shanks dont has the tool or stats for that
It helps promote the movie but it still CANON. This is not a good argument at all. No Oda would not write it any differently as he is the biggest Shanks supporter and wanker. Shanks portrayal has been consistent through out the entire story.
- One shotting Kid with is something Big Mom failed to do with named attack
- Stopping Kaido from going to Marineford though we don't know the full context yet but Kaido has Shanks in his Top 5
- Casually blocks a blood lusted attack from Akianu
- Shows up to Marineford and ending the war. Has Sengoku's respect
- Again, from over a 1000 mile radius (via Road to Laughtale and Zunesha calculations) strikes Aramaki with his Wifi Haki and even senses his fear which is something Haki is shown to be able to do. He is clearly a whole ass tier above Greenbull
And Film Red while being non canon to the story has guide and info of all of the Red Hair pirates that have nothing to do with the Film Red movie it self. Goes over abilities of Shanks, Benn Beckman, Yasopp, Lucky, etc 20 years of anticipation an Oda was heavily involved. I highly doubt Oda would have Shanks portrayed any differently with all this anticipation.
The feats in the film are just consistent with what he has already shown in canon.
It helps promote the movie but it still CANON. This is not a good argument at all. No Oda would not write it any differently as he is the biggest Shanks supporter and wanker. Shanks portrayal has been consistent through out the entire story.
- One shotting Kid with is something Big Mom failed to do with named attack
- Stopping Kaido from going to Marineford though we don't know the full context yet but Kaido has Shanks in his Top 5
- Casually blocks a blood lusted attack from Akianu
- Shows up to Marineford and ending the war. Has Sengoku's respect
- Again, from over a 1000 mile radius (via Road to Laughtale and Zunesha calculations) strikes Aramaki with his Wifi Haki and even senses his fear which is something Haki is shown to be able to do. He is clearly a whole ass tier above Greenbull
And Film Red while being non canon to the story has guide and info of all of the Red Hair pirates that have nothing to do with the Film Red movie it self. Goes over abilities of Shanks, Benn Beckman, Yasopp, Lucky, etc 20 years of anticipation an Oda was heavily involved. I highly doubt Oda would have Shanks portrayed any differently with all this anticipation.
The feats in the film are just consistent with what he has already shown in canon.
Hes,because Shanks is Odas inner self and a money maker.Shanks is worse as Oden.
ANY top tier can oneshot Mid if the top tier is going for the kill like Shanks did.That wasnt some casual stuff.Shanks Kamusari is either what TB or Ragnarok is for Kaido.Kid was also off-guard and garbage written
Like you said,we dont know how he stopped Kaido we just know that Kaido was just with Albert on the way to MF.Being in Kaidos top 5 is good and all dont change the fact Kaido is canonly above every person as the WSC,WSP and 1on1 King.Kaido and Meme were a roadblock for Shanks
Cool,Jinbei did the same
I know that,thats why we call him GreenBitch
No way in hell Manga Kizaru would getting blitzed that way.Shanks vs Kizaru would end in a high-diff fight for Shanks.Dont act like a fool.No top tier can neg another top tier.And Fuji didnt care about Shanks Haki at all
3) Bloodlusted shanks actually might wins this but it will be extremely hard.
No he doesn't not at all.
OT: Greenbull/Fujitora is already far too much as even one would have a chance to win. Law is icing on the cake and I guess King and Zoro are there too.
@plaguedocter: Shanks froze and scared GB with an Haki flex while not even being on the island, and he one-shoted Kidd who is Law, Zoro, and King tier.
1) Shanks froze and scared GB with an Haki flex while not even being on the island
Which came from nowhere and later of which Greenbull literally said he'd fight the Red Hair pirates... bruh just cause that happened (it's not even as bad as you try to make it) it doesn't make Greenbull wildly inferior to Shanks heck it doesn't even mean your inferior...
Like Kaido and Big Mom were sweating because of Zoro and Enma so someone (Kaido/Big Mom in this case) being surprised by a sudden showcase of great power doesn't mean they are inferior to that showcase (as like I said Greenbull literally said he'd fight them just not now... since as you should very well know he was all alone, in enemy territory, with two Yonko crews, an alliance of Kidd, Law, and Yamato who are powerful characters in their own right which when all combined are a powerful force for anyone to fight against).
2) and he one-shoted Kidd who is Law, Zoro, and King tier.
By oneshot you mean dealt good damage with a bloodlusted named swing which also made Kidd's own railgun blow up in his face... the same railgun which holds enough power to deal significant damage on Big Mom... and did this all on a off guard Kidd.
GB was paralyzed in place for what, like 2 entire pages while Shanks had a telepathic talk with him? If he is really capable of resisting Shanks' CoC he'd have just broken free in that time. And he is clearly overestimating himself if he thinks he can hang with Shanks' crew anyway.
Which came from nowhere and later of which Greenbull literally said he'd fight the Red Hair pirates... bruh just cause that happened (it's not even as bad as you try to make it) it doesn't make Greenbull wildly inferior to Shanks heck it doesn't even mean your inferior...
Like Kaido and Big Mom were sweating because of Zoro and Enma so someone (Kaido/Big Mom in this case) being surprised by a sudden showcase of great power doesn't mean they are inferior to that showcase (as like I said Greenbull literally said he'd fight them just not now... since as you should very well know he was all alone, in enemy territory, with two Yonko crews, an alliance of Kidd, Law, and Yamato who are powerful characters in their own right which when all combined are a powerful force for anyone to fight against).
Not sure why trying to create this long argument, this man was paralyzed, he was scared, the man gave up fighting against Momo because a dude 1000 miles on the sea flexed his Haki, that doesn't even come close to Big mom or Kaido being suprised, this man was just straight terrified and refused to engage anymore against Momo and left, that bad and clearly shows inferiority.
By oneshot you mean dealt good damage with a bloodlusted named swing which also made Kidd's own railgun blow up in his face... the same railgun which holds enough power to deal significant damage on Big Mom... and did this all on a off guard Kidd.
Huh, no mean one-shot, one hit kid was down, the hit even one-shoted killer who was bystander, the explosion that happen was due to Shanks not the canon "exploding" on itself. And Shanks didn't catch him off guard, he jump right in front him and Kidd even looks at him and acknowledge him, he just caught smoke he wasn't ready for.
Having 5 opponents is not just adding stats it is giving the possibility for attack angles, support to each other and distractions. Fujitora and green bull have great ranged attacks that shanks would be able to overcome but now add Laws ability to change his position in the room and it is way harder. Law can just run in front of a meteor and change positions with Shanks to have his face in a meteor. Or put him right into a combo attack of Zoro and King. Zoro has the ability to hurt Kaido and king shouldn’t be much behind. Would either be able to challenge shanks on their own? Of course not but they are not on 1 on 1s. Those 5 have nice synergy’s and in my opinion that would be too much for shanks even though he is likely the endboss of OP.
1) GB was paralyzed in place for what, like 2 entire pages while Shanks had a telepathic talk with him? If he is really capable of resisting Shanks' CoC he'd have just broken free in that time.
First off wasn't paralyzed.
Second what was there to "break out of" it's not like there's a haki stasis field holding Greenbull nor is there any reason for Greenbull to do so even if there was something like that (he was no need to do so).
Third Greenbull literally moved after he was hit by Shanks' sudden outburst of haki...
Bruh...
And like I already said... Greenbull literally said he'd fight them just not now...
Also Admirals are on the same level as Yonko...
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2) And he is clearly overestimating himself if he thinks he can hang with Shanks' crew anyway.
Akainu could solo the entire Whitebeard commanders and allies and basically "oneshot" Old Whitebeard (blew half his face off which was fatal) who was still a yonko at the time weakened sure but still a yonko nonetheless. Also Aokiji can match that Akainu.
Greenbull could solo King, Queen, the remnants of the beast pirates then the last of the Scabbards (Who all are comparable to Jack an All star), Dragon Form Momo, and Yamato and do so all while holding back and pulling punches trying to get them to give him Luffy's head.
As such I do think yes he could probably take on his entire crew in fact like all Yonko should by able solo their own crews they are just that strong.
3) Not sure why trying to create this long argument, this man was paralyzed, he was scared, the man gave up fighting against Momo because a dude 1000 miles on the sea flexed his Haki, that doesn't even come close to Big mom or Kaido being suprised, this man was just straight terrified and refused to engage anymore against Momo and left, that bad and clearly shows inferiority.
To do so would to pick a fight with a yonko crew while he was all alone, in enemy territory, with no backup... respectfully use your brain mate.
To continue to engage would to have not only make him have to already fight all the people at Wano to take Luffy's head but also pick a fight with an entire other fresh entire Yonko crew once again while all alone, in enemy territory, with no backup... does that sound like a good idea to you...
4) Huh, no mean one-shot, one hit kid was down, the hit even one-shoted killer who was bystander, the explosion that happen was due to Shanks not the canon "exploding" on itself.
Ok how about I put it this way... Shanks' and Roger's Divine Departure's should be the same in function generally speaking as Shanks' does it as a homage to his father figure (Roger)... yet when we compare the two attacks Shanks' one has the distinct aspect of large explosion and black smoke accompanying it afterwards something which didn't happen with Roger's.
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And since we know that when Shanks used his attack he cleaved Kidd's charged Railgun (it was literally just about to fire on the fleet) it then exploded or "backfired" so to speak directly in Kidd's face (the same Railgun which held enough power to damage Big Mom one of the most durable characters in the series blew up in Kidd's face while off guard).
Oh and Killer wasn't just a bystander he tried to get in the way but of course he got hit in the cross fire and got punished for it (hehe punished, punishers like his weapon, hehe).
5) And Shanks didn't catch him off guard, he jump right in front him and Kidd even looks at him and acknowledge him, he just caught smoke he wasn't ready for.
Kidd was holding a Railgun armed to take down the fleet, was surprised by Shanks' sudden appearance, and the rest is history sounds pretty off guard to me as he was quite literally in the process of trying to shoot and obliterate Shanks' fleet.
So he stood for 2 pages with his back bent and arms outstretched above his head because........he just got the urge to practice some yoga I guess?
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Second what was there to "break out of" it's not like there's a haki stasis field holding Greenbull nor is there any reason for Greenbull to do so even if there was something like that (he was no need to do so).
Counter the effects of the haki holding him in place?
Third Greenbull literally moved after he was hit by Shanks' sudden outburst of haki...
Bruh he literally stood in the same pose for 2 pages straight...
Also Admirals are on the same level as Yonko...
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Literally what about that implies Admirals are on the same level, Chinjao is just stating the obstacles Luffy needs to overcome to become PK.
Akainu could solo the entire Whitebeard commanders and allies and basically "oneshot" Old Whitebeard (blew half his face off which was fatal) who was still a yonko at the time weakened sure but still a yonko nonetheless. Also Aokiji can match that Akainu.
Greenbull could solo King, Queen, the remnants of the beast pirates then the last of the Scabbards (Who all are comparable to Jack an All star), Dragon Form Momo, and Yamato and do so all while holding back and pulling punches trying to get them to give him Luffy's head.
As such I do think yes he could probably take on his entire crew in fact like all Yonko should by able solo their own crews they are just that strong.
Shanks' crew as stated is much stronger than other Yonko crews on average, but doesn't matter as Shanks already showed he can easily incap GB from 1000s of km away. So yes if he genuinely thinks he can fight Shanks' crew then he is overestimating himself as Shanks' crew includes Shanks himself who already crushed Aramaki.
Hes,because Shanks is Odas inner self and a money maker.Shanks is worse as Oden.
Which makes Shanks being made OP consistent.
ANY top tier can oneshot Mid if the top tier is going for the kill like Shanks did.That wasnt some casual stuff.Shanks Kamusari is either what TB or Ragnarok is for Kaido.Kid was also off-guard and garbage written
Kid isn't a mid tier. If Big Mom can't one shot you with a named attack, that mean you are not a mid tier.
Like you said,we dont know how he stopped Kaido we just know that Kaido was just with Albert on the way to MF.Being in Kaidos top 5 is good and all dont change the fact
Well, Kaido having Shanks in his Top 5 would be power related. An I'd imagine the only way Kaido knows about Shanks power if he experienced it first hand. He respects people by how strong they are.
Kaido is canonly above every person as the WSC,WSP and 1on1 King.
When we are first introduced to Kaido it is stated he has lost before.
Kaido and Meme were a roadblock for Shanks
Shanks has better feats at least in terms of AP then Big Mom.
Kaido has Flame Bagua which clashed with Bajrang Gun which easily would kill Kid so Kaido isn't as clear cut.
Cool,Jinbei did the same
Jinbei ended the war and had Sengoku's respect? lol
And Shanks block was clearly way more casual then Jinbei. Doesn't even look like he put much Haki into it. Jinbei got overpowered after the fact as well.
I know that,thats why we call him GreenBitch
So you agree that Shanks is a tier above GB?
No way in hell Manga Kizaru would getting blitzed that way.
Why wouldn't he? Granted we haven't seen Kizaru go all out yet but 76 year old Rayeligh could keep up with Kizaru in speed to the point where he couldn't get to the Straw Hats. Rayleigh's age is heavily emphasized so you could imagine prime Rayeligh would be faster let alone Shanks.
Shanks vs Kizaru would end in a high-diff fight for Shanks. Dont act like a fool.No top tier can neg another top tier
Not only does it appear Shanks can neg Kizaru but Shanks right hand Benn Beckman beats Kizaru as well. I have direct translation which state Beckman > Kizaru in Haki which came out pretty recently. And that not even the "Light Admiral" can beat him.
Kizaru is a top tier but Shanks is a borderline God Tier. Kizaru is not one shotting Kid if Big Mom didn't do it.
.And Fuji didnt care about Shanks Haki at all
Fujitora is on the same tier as Greenbull
We see that Fujitora has injuries from the fight
And Shanks negged Aramaki from over a 1000 mile radius lol
1) So he stood for 2 pages with his back bent and arms outstretched above his head because... he just got the urge to practice some yoga I guess?
Bruh I literally already showed you he could move.
Also hands up shows that he's gonna stop engaging and gonna back off... bruh...
2) Counter the effects of the haki holding him in place?
Wut? There's no haki holding him in place???
3) Bruh he literally stood in the same pose for 2 pages straight...
He literally moved:
4) Literally what about that implies Admirals are on the same level, Chinjao is just stating the obstacles Luffy needs to overcome to become PK.
No it really does. If the Admirals were below the Yonko then what's the point in saying you have to beat them all if you'd only need to beat the Yonko since in this scenario they are stronger than the Admirals. It wouldn't make any sense to say other wise.
Not to mention:
Kizaru could take on Big Mom and/or Kaido.
Yonko commanders are outright said not to be enough for Greenbull:
Blackbeard running from Akainu and being on the backfoot against an legless Aokiji:
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5) Shanks' crew as stated is much stronger than other Yonko crews on average, but doesn't matter as Shanks already showed he can easily incap GB from 1000s of km away. So yes if he genuinely thinks he can fight Shanks' crew then he is overestimating himself as Shanks' crew includes Shanks himself who already crushed Aramaki.
Shanks' crushed/incap literally nothing.
Also just because you have a better balance and average doesn't mean your crew on a whole is stronger. For all we know like all of Shanks' crew are like a bunch Perospero-esque in power so while they have the best balance and best average that doesn't make them the strongest by anymeans.
Also like I said Greenbull handled easily all the scabbards, Dragon Form Momo, Yamato, and the remnants of the beast pirates and King/Queen. I don't see why he couldn't do the same to Shanks' crew.
1) Admiral fans still having trouble coming to terms with Shanks' power level, I see. Shanks actually has a decent shot here considering how he fodderised Ryokugyu and Kid.
Literally didn't fodderize either but ok there bud.
Greenbull was already in a bad position The Red Hair Pirates threatening him with a fight was the last thing he wanted.
And Kidd had his Railgun explode in his face while off guard.
Bruh I literally already showed you he could move.
By moving his arms up?
Also hands up shows that he's gonna stop engaging and gonna back off... bruh...
Or if you look at the context of the scene, he was about to skewer Momonosuke in the previous page and got forcibly booted out of his Logia form with arms held above so as to ensure he can't do any harm...
He literally moved:
Was made to do so to ensure he can't do any harm, pretty obvious if you look at the preceding events.
No it really does. If the Admirals were below the Yonko then what's the point in saying you have to beat them all if you'd only need to beat the Yonko since in this scenario they are stronger than the Admirals. It wouldn't make any sense to say other wise.
Because the Marines and Admirals are as much out to capture/kill a pirate as their fellow pirates? The Marines are not the Yonko's subordinates, they are not gonna stop going after Luffy just because he beat the Yonko.
Kizaru could take on Big Mom and/or Kaido.
What in there implies Kizaru can fight Big Mom or Kaido on even terms?
Yonko commanders are outright said not to be enough for Greenbull:
Yonkos have consistently blitzed and one shot YC1 tiers so that's not saying much.
Blackbeard running from Akainu and being on the backfoot against an legless Aokiji:
Blackbeard is still growing in power. And both of those instances were much earlier timeline wise.
Shanks' crushed/incap literally nothing.
Totally why GB was stopped in his tracks, booted out of his Logia form and made to hold an awkward pose just as he was about to skewer Momo.
Also just because you have a better balance and average doesn't mean your crew on a whole is stronger. For all we know like all of Shanks' crew are like a bunch Perospero-esque in power so while they have the best balance and best average that doesn't make them the strongest by anymeans.
They would not be widely renowned and described as having no soft targets if they are Perospero tier or fodder to any other First Mates, this is some insane reach.
Also like I said Greenbull handled easily all the scabbards, Dragon Form Momo, Yamato, and the remnants of the beast pirates and King/Queen. I don't see why he couldn't do the same to Shanks' crew.
Yamato was instructed by Momo to not fight back, but that doesn't really matter, Shanks is a part of Shanks' crew and he already lost to Shanks basically. Even if the rest of Shanks' crew is Chopper level he would still get destroyed by Shanks alone so if he thinks he can take them on his confidence is misplaced.
Yes he literally moved, him being paralyzed or unable to move or whatever else you wanna say didn't happen.
2) Or if you look at the context of the scene, he was about to skewer Momonosuke in the previous page and got forcibly booted out of his Logia form with arms held above so as to ensure he can't do any harm...
Forcibly booted out of his Logia form... bruh...
For all we know he did so willingly did so after getting suprised by the outburst of Conqueror's Haki also either way it was a bizarre situation nor does that disprove anything which Greenbull is capable of.
3) Was made to do so to ensure he can't do any harm, pretty obvious if you look at the preceding events.
He wasn't made to do so what are you talking about he raised his hands of his own volition to show that he'd wanna bring the ire of an entire other yonko crew.
4) Because the Marines and Admirals are as much out to capture/kill a pirate as their fellow pirates? The Marines are not the Yonko's subordinates, they are not gonna stop going after Luffy just because he beat the Yonko.
But what's the point of saying you need to beat the Admirals and Yonko to become Pirate King if the Yonko are the ones who are stronger...
Also their is plenty other things Luffy thinks Cony as an admiral can face him as pirate king.
Then there's Garp and Sengoku both marines who both are capable of becoming an admiral and were said to be able face Roger who's like among the top 3 strongest pirates.
5) What in there implies Kizaru can fight Big Mom or Kaido on even terms?
He would be able to stop Big Mom and/or Kaido. And it lends to their portrayal.
6) Yonkos have consistently blitzed and one shot YC1 tiers so that's not saying much.
Yeah and I'm saying the Admirals if not restricted can do the same we see this in how Greenbull like effortlessly restrains the Scabbards, Momo, and Yamato.
Akainu can like basically oneshot Jimbei/Whitebeard and Ace giving them fatal wounds with a single hit, etc.
Aokiji oneshot Blackbeard's like entire crew multiple times too, etc.
And you already know the story with Greenbull so I won't repeat it.
7) Blackbeard is still growing in power. And both of those instances were much earlier timeline wise.
Still a yonko who took over Whitebeard's spot. And like everyone grows in power that doesn't dismiss that Akainu and Aokiji can both singlehandedly put Blackbeard on the backstep even with his like whole crew with him.
8) Totally why GB was stopped in his tracks, booted out of his Logia form and made to hold an awkward pose just as he was about to skewer Momo.
A like sudden foreign outburst of haki would make like anyone think twice especially when it was done by another yonko who was like speaking to you...
Also how is putting his hands up an awkward pose but I digress as it is meaningless as either way like I have continued to say he didn't want to fight the Red Hair Pirates along with the rest while all alone, with no backup, etc.
9) They would not be widely renowned and described as having no soft targets if they are Perospero tier or fodder to any other First Mates, this is some insane reach.
I used Perospero as an example maybe they are all strong as the Scabbards doesn't change the spirit behind my words in that just becuase they have the best balance and a high average bounty it doesn't change that they can still be soloed by top tiers.
10) Yamato was instructed by Momo to not fight back, but that doesn't really matter,
Not fighting back =/= not trying to stay alive.
11) Shanks is a part of Shanks' crew and he already lost to Shanks basically. Even if the rest of Shanks' crew is Chopper level he would still get destroyed by Shanks alone so if he thinks he can take them on his confidence is misplaced.
Greenbull didn't lose to Shanks they didn't even fight. Also just because you think his confidence is misplaced doesn't mean it is and like I said Admirals have shown consistently to combat and get the hand over like entire yonko crews...
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