Bleeding Edge Iron Man vs The Thing (H2H)

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  1. In character
  2. No prep
  3. Win by any means except BFR
  4. Iron man cannot fly, use weapons, etc. He is limited only to the physical strength, durability, and reflexes the armor grants
  5. Fight takes place inside the octagon (Assume the octagon is indestructible):
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Mismatch. If this was MCU Bleeding Edge Iron Man vs 616 Thing, it would probably be closer.

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@subline said:

Mismatch. If this was MCU Bleeding Edge Iron Man vs 616 Thing, it would probably be closer.

I think the thing would stomp MCU Iron Man. Who do you think this is a mismatch against?

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#4  Edited By Toratorn

Ben beats him mid-diff, especially with the restrictions in OP. This version of Iron Man is pretty overrated.

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Thing

Thing is criminally underrated on this forum.

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@toratorn said:

Ben beats him mid-diff, especially with the restrictions in OP. This version of Iron Man is pretty overrated.

Do you think there are better armors that can give Ben a better fight or is this just a general comment?

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@drago666 said:
@toratorn said:

Ben beats him mid-diff, especially with the restrictions in OP. This version of Iron Man is pretty overrated.

Do you think there are better armors that can give Ben a better fight or is this just a general comment?

General comment.

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@drago666 said:

I think the thing would stomp MCU Iron Man. Who do you think this is a mismatch against?

Both characters.

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I distinctly remember scans of Tony completely outperforming Ben against a robot and I'm much more impressed by his feats in general.

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@sy8000 said:

I distinctly remember scans of Tony completely outperforming Ben against a robot and I'm much more impressed by his feats in general.

Lemme guess, these scans?

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Because apart from the fact that Ben didn't have leverage (or jet boosters) and didn't know to target legs because they were the weak part, Iron Man didn't really "outperform" Ben in anything here.

I doubt Tony would do half as good as Ben did against people like Colossonaut, Cho Hulk, Dragon Man, Blastaar, Super-Skrull and many others. Not to mention, Ben did outperform Iron Man's various armours against people like Bi-Beast, Dr. Doom, Rhino, Kree Sentries, Trapster, Wonder Man, Grey Hulk, War Machine, as well as beaten and restrained Iron Man himself on several occasions.

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#13 Noone1996  Online

Iron Man wins. He's faster and can self-repair. More than durable and strong enough to contend.

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#14  Edited By Toratorn

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Iron Man wins. He's faster and can self-repair. More than durable and strong enough to contend.

Based on...? Iron Man doesn't hit as hard as Colossonaut, Skaar, adamantium Absorbing Man or even bloodlusted Wonder Man, and even that proved to be not enough to beat Ben in the past. Hell, a crowd of Ben's own bloodlusted clones needed 4 hours of non-stop beatdown to actually knock him out, and even then it was a brief KO.

And Tony's strength is also not up to par. I doubt Iron Man has enough strength to KO Cho Hulk, punch through Colossonaut's helmet, KO ionic Wonder Man, punch Super-Skrull's teeth out, break out of Quasar's restraints, punch through secondary adamantium walls, crush Namor's ribs by bear-hugging him, break Invisible Woman's force fields, snap Dr. Doom's neck with a punch, crack Champion's ribs, draw blood from Phoenix Force Namor (all the stuff Ben did at one point or another).

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Lol I k ow someone did not just say MCU Tony would be a better fight against ben

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Lol I k ow someone did not just say MCU Tony would be a better fight against ben

Yea he would. Don't you know that 616 mid tiers are overrated??

@tonymartial Come school him.

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0% chance that Tony can replicate Ben's showing against Kl'Rt here apparently

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@kevd4wg: I wonder what point you were trying to make with these scans.

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@toratorn: Cant tell if you’re being sarcastic or not

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@kevd4wg: I mean, I really am wondering what you're trying to say with scans of Ben tanking Super-Skrull's hits back in time when Ben could barely lift 10 tons, and how Iron Man has anything to do with that.

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@toratorn: You yourself said

I doubt Tony would do half as good as Ben did against people like Super-Skrull

And I've read all of Kl'Rt's appearances. IIRC, that's they're only real fight.

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@kevd4wg said:

@toratorn: You yourself said

I doubt Tony would do half as good as Ben did against people like Super-Skrull

And I've read all of Kl'Rt's appearances. IIRC, that's they're only real fight.

Then you must have missed a few. Like that time when Ben tanked a sucker-punch from Kl'rt and knocked his teeth right afterwards (Fantastic Four Foes #3):

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Or two other times when Kl'rt suckered him and Ben was fine (Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur #26 & #39 respectively):

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There was also a short encounter with Heroes Reborn Super-Skrull (who was amped to Silver Surfer's level), but it was just one page where Ben hit him and then got blasted away.

Also, I wonder why you picked KL'rt out of all people I listed, considering he is the weakest out of the bunch.

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@toratorn:

Then you must have missed a few. Like that time when Ben tanked a sucker-punch from Kl'rt and knocked his teeth right afterwards (Fantastic Four Foes #3):

So i'm supposed to be extremely impressed that Ben kinda sorta hurt him with one punch that was a sucker punch?

Or two other times when Kl'rt suckered him and Ben was fine (Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur #26 & #39 respectively):

Ben was like, getting stomped here

Also, I wonder why you picked KL'rt out of all people I listed, considering he is the weakest out of the bunch.

Maybe it's because he's the one I've read

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@kevd4wg said:

@toratorn:

So i'm supposed to be extremely impressed that Ben kinda sorta hurt him with one punch that was a sucker punch?

Knocking someone's teeth out is supposed to be at least somewhat impressive. Someone like Grey Hulk couldn't do the same, for example, and he is considerably stronger than Iron Man.

Not to mention, Ben didn't sucker punch him. Kl'rt saw it coming all the way.

Ben was like, getting stomped here

He literally tanked being suckered several times and was completely fine. And considering that Kl'rt is strong enough to hurt Thor and choke out Nova Prime with one hand, that should be at least mildly impressive.

Maybe it's because he's the one I've read

Fair enough.

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@toratorn:

Knocking someone's teeth out is supposed to be at least somewhat impressive. Someone like Grey Hulk couldn't do the same, for example, and he is considerably stronger than Iron Man.

Super-Skrull has never had his teeth knocked out other then by Ben. By your logic that means he hits harder then Thanos since Thanos didn't punch out Skrull's teeth when he punched him. Also, Skrull stretched against Grey Hulk, while he didn't against Ben, hence why that happened.

He literally tanked being suckered several times and was completely fine. And considering that Kl'rt is strong enough to hurt Thor and choke out Nova Prime with one hand, that should be at least mildly impressive.

Nova Prime's physicals aren't fantastic, and that was only for a very brief period of time. As for hurting Thor, I'm assuming you're talking about Thor #461 where all he did was briefly stagger Thor, but caused no lasting damage. That's not very impressive.

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#31  Edited By Toratorn

@kevd4wg said:

@toratorn:

Super-Skrull has never had his teeth knocked out other then by Ben. By your logic that means he hits harder then Thanos since Thanos didn't punch out Skrull's teeth when he punched him. Also, Skrull stretched against Grey Hulk, while he didn't against Ben, hence why that happened.

He didn't stretch other times Fixit hit him though (including a hit to the face).

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IIRC Thanos didn't even KO him that time, so he was definitely holding back.

Nova Prime's physicals aren't fantastic, and that was only for a very brief period of time.

Even without the Prime upgrade Nova could go h2h against people like Namor and Sandman, so it's not like he is a weakling.

As for hurting Thor, I'm assuming you're talking about Thor #461 where all he did was briefly stagger Thor, but caused no lasting damage. That's not very impressive.

Thor was clearly hurt and was grunting in pain tho.

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Not to mention, 95% of fights don't leave any lasting damage in comic books, so mentioning that fact to downgrade the feat sounds like a cop-out. If you haven't noticed, Super-Skrull's sucker punches on Ben didn't leave any lasting damage either, but a recievening character was clealry affected in both cases. Considering the level Thor is on, just hurting him is already impressive enough.

Super-Skrull could also go h2h with Mar-Vell and choke out She-Hulk with one hand, for what it's worth.

EDIT: also, I completely forgot about that one time when Ben one-shot Super-Skrull outright in FF #400 (the latter never appears afterwards and Ben starts fighting other people):

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And that time when Ben one-shot Virtue after tanking his bullrush (Marvel Knights Spider-Man #17):

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The same Virtue that was made by his father, a creator of Super-Skrull, to be more powerful than Kl'rt (Marvel Knights Spider-Man #16):

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These two feats Iron Man is definitely not replicating.

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Bleeding edge wins

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#33  Edited By Warlockmage

alright you know what... Thing is banned from all battles for... 2 months. we're gonna give Ben a break find some other mid-tier to try and beat.

Possible alternatives: Colossus, Sasquatch, Badrock, Savage Dragon, Maul, Hercules, Unworthy Thor, Damage, Rebirth Superman, Rebirth Wonder Woman. Thank you for your understanding

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@warlockmage: Hercules, Unworthy Thor and Rebirth Superman aren’t mid tiers.

They are low-level high tiers.

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@jay_z94: Rebirth Superman is a Gladiator-level street tier.

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Tony's only hope is his AI's capability to predict Ben's next attack, but 8/10, Ben takes this.

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Iron Man takes this, Ben is not hard to beat

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The Thing stomps.

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#40  Edited By Toratorn

@tonymartial: harder to beat that the entirety of MCU and DCEU though.

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@jay_z94 said:

@warlockmage: Hercules, Unworthy Thor and Rebirth Superman aren’t mid tiers.

They are low-level high tiers.

they're close enough

@toratorn said:

@tonymartial: harder to beat that the entirety of MCU and DCEU though.

man is he ever not salty about Ben... i mean he has like two moods. He's either salty at Ben or he's salty at Logan

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@warlockmage: he is salty about all 616 characters that were ever put in match-ups against live action charcs and just so happenned to stomp effortlessly.

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@subline said:

Mismatch. If this was MCU Bleeding Edge Iron Man vs 616 Thing, it would probably be closer.

I think the thing would stomp MCU Iron Man. Who do you think this is a mismatch against?

i think the Hulkbuster armour could put up a better fight

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#45  Edited By Toratorn

IM's backers have yet to bring up feats that will put Tony close enough to Ben in either durability, strength or striking.

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#47  Edited By ProfessorRespect

Eh, still Thing. His physical stats have only gotten better as of recent, and the only thing Tony has here is speed and versatility, none of which will save him when Ben gets his hands on him.

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Probably Ben.

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The one who didn't admit that he is weaker than Carol Danvers.