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#1 Posted by JuzaCloud (3416 posts) - - Show Bio

Hey, what's up guys? I'm back from my 3 day ban.

So which series has the better speed?

All feats are good

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#2 Posted by hatemalingsia (15494 posts) - - Show Bio

Why were you banned? Is teleportation ok?

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#3 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

Bleach is pretty slow speed wise at this point. I might even say luffy is getting closer to ichigo in speeds..

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#4 Edited by Keikai (1685 posts) - - Show Bio

Bleach.

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#5 Edited by ssj_god (16749 posts) - - Show Bio

hmm.. naruto series has better speed.. they finished the whole story.. where as bleach is still running and going hiatus now and then

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#6 Posted by MudaMudaMuda (5354 posts) - - Show Bio

It mostly depends on the characters but I think that Naruto top tiers are faster than Bleach top tiers.

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#7 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssj_god said:

hmm.. naruto series has better speed.. they finished the whole story.. where as bleach is still running and going hiatus now and then

I see what you did there.

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#8 Edited by ssj_god (16749 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssj_god said:

hmm.. naruto series has better speed.. they finished the whole story.. where as bleach is still running and going hiatus now and then

I see what you did there.

:D

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#9 Posted by Leo-343 (30909 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: I'd certainly imagine he will be when One Piece ends in a decade.

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#10 Posted by JuzaCloud (3416 posts) - - Show Bio

Why were you banned? Is teleportation ok?

Called someone a narutard.Didn't think people get mad at that, oh well. No teleportation. Raw speed.

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#11 Posted by zAvatarLegendz (2 posts) - - Show Bio

Bleach imo

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#12 Posted by sophia89 (19802 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto speeds are much better.

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#13 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@leo-343 said:

@princearagorn1: I'd certainly imagine he will be when One Piece ends in a decade.

Makes sense. I hear there's going to be a gear fourth?

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#14 Edited by sophia89 (19802 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssj_god said:

hmm.. naruto series has better speed.. they finished the whole story.. where as bleach is still running and going hiatus now and then

Thread/

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#15 Posted by JuzaCloud (3416 posts) - - Show Bio
@leo-343 said:

@princearagorn1: I'd certainly imagine he will be when One Piece ends in a decade.


I don't keep up with One Piece. Didn't know they were fast enough to be mentioned with Naruto or Bleach from what I have seen. I've only seen most of the earlier stuff though.

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#16 Posted by ssj_god (16749 posts) - - Show Bio

@hatemalingsia said:

Why were you banned? Is teleportation ok?

Called someone a narutard.Didn't think people get mad at that, oh well. No teleportation. Raw speed.

it is offensive to call someone retard as it is.. you called him/her narutard means retard over naruto.... so u're calling him/her retard + fanboy at the same time.... so of course it's double offensive :D

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#17 Edited by ssj_god (16749 posts) - - Show Bio

@leo-343 said:

@princearagorn1: I'd certainly imagine he will be when One Piece ends in a decade.

I don't keep up with One Piece. Didn't know they were fast enough to be mentioned with Naruto or Bleach from what I have seen. I've only seen most of the earlier stuff though.

pre skip luffy have dodged lightning... he have another stage of speed (gear 2) from then

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#18 Edited by Leo-343 (30909 posts) - - Show Bio

@juzacloud: Mid-top tiers have impressive speed, Luffy's dodged 3 lasers with his eyes closed in base form and said they were too slow.

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#19 Edited by Leo-343 (30909 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: I've heard that too, I don't think it's going to be a speed increase like gear 2 though, I think it's something unseen before.

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#20 Posted by MudaMudaMuda (5354 posts) - - Show Bio

@leo-343 said:

@princearagorn1: I'd certainly imagine he will be when One Piece ends in a decade.

I don't keep up with One Piece. Didn't know they were fast enough to be mentioned with Naruto or Bleach from what I have seen. I've only seen most of the earlier stuff though.

One piece has Kizaru who is undoubtedly the fastest character in the HST. (light speed)

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#21 Posted by JuzaCloud (3416 posts) - - Show Bio

@juzacloud said:
@leo-343 said:

@princearagorn1: I'd certainly imagine he will be when One Piece ends in a decade.

I don't keep up with One Piece. Didn't know they were fast enough to be mentioned with Naruto or Bleach from what I have seen. I've only seen most of the earlier stuff though.

One piece has Kizaru who is undoubtedly the fastest character in the HST. (light speed)

Is he really light speed though? You know people get when it comes to those things.

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#22 Posted by Thekillerklok (9922 posts) - - Show Bio

@juzacloud: I personally Think Kizaru is intended to be lightspeed. but it would be hard to convince others of that.

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#23 Edited by thatguywithheadphones (19859 posts) - - Show Bio

@thekillerklok said:

@juzacloud: I personally Think Kizaru is intended to be lightspeed. but it would be hard to convince others of that.

Yeah of course it's hard when you get instances of people able to complete sentences in the time it takes his "lightspeed" projectiles to reach them from rather close range.

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#24 Edited by Leo-343 (30909 posts) - - Show Bio

@thatguywithheadphones: That is a good point however since Oda intends all logia fruit users to take on the properties of their respective elements, it would actually not make much sense and be inconsistent if Kizaru wasn't Lightspeed.

Not everything he does is light speed, granted his combat speed is high hypersonic, however his lasers and certain movements like kicking Drake occur at light speed. Witnessing the way the latter feat was shown in the anime what with Kizaru appearing in front of Drake as a ball of light where the guy was clearly perceived frozen with his eyes still on the spot Kizaru diassapeared and unable to react... That removed all doubt for me anyway.

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#25 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@thekillerklok said:

@juzacloud: I personally Think Kizaru is intended to be lightspeed. but it would be hard to convince others of that.

It's pretty hard because the supposed 'speed of light' kick does not even send people in orbit. Heck, animated superman is better than that, and he's about mach 7 according to himself.

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#26 Posted by Mugen_Tsukuyomi (470 posts) - - Show Bio

Narutoverse as a whole is slighlty more about a characters ability to counter/react to his or her opponents speed, so as a whole i would give it bleach. But if we are comparing the high tiers, Bleach can't touch Naruto.

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#27 Edited by Thekillerklok (9922 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: Since when has one piece cared about real world physics lol.

It's a silly series where silly characters do silly things.

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#28 Posted by A1l_S2a3m4E5N (2159 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto top tiers are just too fast. Gai pawns all.

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#29 Posted by MudaMudaMuda (5354 posts) - - Show Bio

@mudamudamuda said:

@juzacloud said:
@leo-343 said:

@princearagorn1: I'd certainly imagine he will be when One Piece ends in a decade.

I don't keep up with One Piece. Didn't know they were fast enough to be mentioned with Naruto or Bleach from what I have seen. I've only seen most of the earlier stuff though.

One piece has Kizaru who is undoubtedly the fastest character in the HST. (light speed)

Is he really light speed though? You know people get when it comes to those things.

Well, the guy is made of light so I'd think that indeed makes him light speed.

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#30 Edited by TheMagicStik (2552 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1 said:

Bleach is pretty slow speed wise at this point. I might even say luffy is getting closer to ichigo in speeds..

Based on feats Luffy probably will never catch up to Ulquiorra who is behind Ichigo and probably a lot of people now by power scaling. So I don't know what you mean by that.

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#31 Posted by BlackLegRaph (5429 posts) - - Show Bio

@leo-343 said:

@thatguywithheadphones: That is a good point however since Oda intends all logia fruit users to take on the properties of their respective elements, it would actually not make much sense and be inconsistent if Kizaru wasn't Lightspeed.

Not everything he does is light speed, granted his combat speed is high hypersonic, however his lasers and certain movements like kicking Drake occur at light speed. Witnessing the way the latter feat was shown in the anime what with Kizaru appearing in front of Drake as a ball of light where the guy was clearly perceived frozen with his eyes still on the spot Kizaru diassapeared and unable to react... That removed all doubt for me anyway.

Yeah, the scene with Drake is one of the best.

I also think that Kizaru just doesn't give a damn about using his full abilities. He's probably the most interrupted character in the series because he's too casual about offing people.

Interrupted when trying to hit Hawkins (twice), Zoro, Oars, Luffy, Law's submarine, etc.

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#32 Posted by Loki_D (1544 posts) - - Show Bio

Kizaru is light therefore light speed

There are two light speed attacks in Naruto.

Haven't read Bleach in a while.

What kind of speed? Combat speed? Striking speed? Base speed?

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#33 Posted by JuzaCloud (3416 posts) - - Show Bio

@loki_d said:

Kizaru is light therefore light speed

There are two light speed attacks in Naruto.

Haven't read Bleach in a while.

What kind of speed? Combat speed? Striking speed? Base speed?

yeah, All speeds you listed and travel speed.

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#34 Edited by thatguywithheadphones (19859 posts) - - Show Bio

@loki_d:

@leo-343 said:

@thatguywithheadphones: That is a good point however since Oda intends all logia fruit users to take on the properties of their respective elements, it would actually not make much sense and be inconsistent if Kizaru wasn't Lightspeed.

Not everything he does is light speed, granted his combat speed is high hypersonic, however his lasers and certain movements like kicking Drake occur at light speed. Witnessing the way the latter feat was shown in the anime what with Kizaru appearing in front of Drake as a ball of light where the guy was clearly perceived frozen with his eyes still on the spot Kizaru diassapeared and unable to react... That removed all doubt for me anyway.

So Whitebeard can sigh and talk at lightspeed ?

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#36 Edited by Leo-343 (30909 posts) - - Show Bio

@thatguywithheadphones: Possibly, he was number 1 Yonko.

On a serious note that again is nice evidence however pretty much every other Logia fruit user has the full abilities of their elements and it wouldn't make any sense for Oda to just say 'lol nope' to Kizaru. We can put things like what you've said and shown down to art style or inconsistent writing.

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#37 Posted by thatguywithheadphones (19859 posts) - - Show Bio
@leo-343 said:

@thatguywithheadphones: Possibly, he was number 1 Yonko.

On a serious note that again is nice evidence however pretty much every other Logia fruit user has the full abilities of their elements and it wouldn't make any sense for Oda to just say 'lol nope' to Kizaru. We can put things like what you've said and shown down to art style or inconsistent writing.

Ah what a convenient explanation.

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#38 Posted by Leo-343 (30909 posts) - - Show Bio

@thatguywithheadphones: It isn't unfounded though, as I've said every other DF user has full elemental properties. Inconsistency and art style is what I'm going with and just happens to be extremely convenient :).

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#39 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@thatguywithheadphones: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TalkingIsAFreeAction

It's not a matter of talking. he can see it coming and he just stands their waiting for marco to interrupt - if marco is that fast, he could literally fly around the world by the time bullets hit whitebeard.

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#40 Posted by Noone301994 (22169 posts) - - Show Bio

@sophia89 said:

Naruto speeds are much better.

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#41 Posted by Jimmy_Rustler (3125 posts) - - Show Bio

Bleach speed stomps.

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#42 Edited by Thekillerklok (9922 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: I am not really arguing for or against. was just pointing out the existence of the trope as it's a bad idea to judge character speeds off of talking in manga/anime in general.

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#43 Edited by josephgomes619 (3791 posts) - - Show Bio

Bleach is by far the fastest HST verse. Ichibei pushed Yhwach 1000 ri and blitzed immediately before Yhwach could react.

Kizaru's lightspeed is a massive fail because it's needs to charge up and any fodder with precog can dodge it

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#44 Posted by sipsipkopekpekmo (9 posts) - - Show Bio

Big Rig Truck is the fastest fictional entity ever documented 12.3 undecillion MPH

it can cross the universe in 160 picosecond

sorry off topic

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#45 Edited by MudaMudaMuda (5354 posts) - - Show Bio

@josephgomes619 said:

Bleach is by far the fastest HST verse. Ichibei pushed Yhwach 1000 ri and blitzed immediately before Yhwach could react.

Kizaru's lightspeed is a massive fail because it's needs to charge up and any fodder with precog can dodge it

Ichibei didn't cross the entire 1000 ri. He "blitzed" while Yhwach was still mid-flight. So we have no idea how fast they were going, or how far Yhwach was at that point.

That still isn't very impressive compared to Might Guy and Sanji's kicking speed.

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#46 Posted by slimj87d (15637 posts) - - Show Bio

Does anyone have any feats that are quantifiable?

For example, the Naruto vs Pain fight has a good speed feat by Pain, who dodges a rasen shuriken which is traveling at higher mach speeds.

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#47 Edited by josephgomes619 (3791 posts) - - Show Bio

@josephgomes619 said:

Bleach is by far the fastest HST verse. Ichibei pushed Yhwach 1000 ri and blitzed immediately before Yhwach could react.

Kizaru's lightspeed is a massive fail because it's needs to charge up and any fodder with precog can dodge it

Ichibei didn't cross the entire 1000 ri. He "blitzed" while Yhwach was still mid-flight. So we have no idea how fast they were going, or how far Yhwach was at that point.

That still isn't very impressive compared to Might Guy and Sanji's kicking speed.

Actually he did. Read the scan again

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Sanji and Gai's kick are not even hypersonic, nor they're quantifable

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#48 Posted by Thekillerklok (9922 posts) - - Show Bio

Kubo Likely doesn't care exactly how fast his characters are.

I doubt he has put much thought into it.

his story works well enough if you know at Time 1. character A Is faster then character B.

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#49 Posted by VampireMaster952 (79 posts) - - Show Bio

I see bleach being faster. Haven't really seen anything to prove other wise (for me at least) stopped watching naruto after the tobi/madara fight.

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#50 Posted by DXC (326 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1 said:

Bleach is pretty slow speed wise at this point. I might even say luffy is getting closer to ichigo in speeds..

Based on feats Luffy probably will never catch up to Ulquiorra who is behind Ichigo and probably a lot of people now by power scaling. So I don't know what you mean by that.

Ulquiorra is not as fast as Luffy is currently to begin with, let alone EoS.