Bleach: Old Gen Captains Vs New Gen Captains

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Poll Bleach: Old Gen Captains Vs New Gen Captains (46 votes)

The Old is still Gold 67%
The future is now, old man 26%
Stalemate/tie 7%
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Team 1- Yamamoto, Shunsui, Unohana and Ukitake

Team 2- Kenpachi, Byakuya, Urahara, Yoruichi, Hitsugaya and Rukia

-canon/Prime versions for all characters. Everyone starts in Base

Morals off

Who wins?

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Yamamoto Is too Strong he can solo with Bankai tho Hitsugaya should be his counter he is still to green for this one

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Absolute 0> Yamamoto Bankai…. Younger Captains win

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once again, kyoraku's bankai kills everyone including his allies if it's morals off

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#4  Edited By Hentekorin

Kyouraku beats zaraki, Yamamoto solos the rest like the fodder they are

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Yama is too much.

And a morals off Shunsui is a nuke.

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Team 1 but it's not a stomp

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Team 1 after a good fight in most cases, though there are definitely situations where team 2 wins.

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Yamamato ragdolls

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#9  Edited By Raziel2014

Team 1 wins since they posses the stronger fighter.

Kenpachi is up in the air the novel and should be on par with Ichibei/Yamamoto per his feats, one shotting Ikomikidomoe with his shikai and Ikomidomoe broke Ichibei seal assuming it was Shikai Seal then Kenpachi should be relative to Ichibei if not slightly stronger.

Ukitake scales to Shunsui however he is sick, Unohana was never really shown at 100% and her death at the hands of kenpachi was not because she was weaker but because she was not trying to kill him she use her own power to defeat and revive him over and over till the point kenpachi killed her no different than ichigo spamming Getsuga and getting tired and then getting ragdolled.

Urahara with prep is deadly for anyone so he is the only chance Team 2 has.

Adult Toshiro also cant stay in his Adult Form long.

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Yamamoto feared Kenpachi so much that he stopped teaching him after one lesson of kendo, Shunsui saw Kenpachi as their ace in the hole and sacrificed Unohana for him, who was weaker then him when he was a child, with no shikai or Bankai, Urahara has seals powerful enough to put Aizen down and will have 1000 plans in advance, so team 2 already has 2 war potentials and Hitsugaya performed better then even Kenpachi did in the end, so in my opinion the top 3 most formidable are on the same team and they have the extra support of two nobles and someone with AZ, new gen takes this.

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Depends on how you scale Toshiro and Kenpachi

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Team 1 after a good fight in most cases, though there are definitely situations where team 2 wins.

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Kenpachi and Toshiro can beat Yama with extreme diff

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Old Gen high difficulty.

Yamamoto is the strongest character in gotei 13 ,Shunsui can defeat anyone in team 2 one on one. If Prime Ukitake was really Shunsui 's equal then it is a decisive win for them. Without him too much rests on Yamamoto's shoulder

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Team 2 wins. They have 2 special war threats on their team. Kenpachi has already beaten Unohana before. Urahara will probably have strategies for Yamamoto and Shunsui. Ukitake's a weak link.

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Why do people think hitsugaya can freeze yamamoto's bankai?? Yamagee vapes his ass.

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Zanka no tachi.

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#20 Naronu  Online

New Gen, rather easily at that. The Gerard Trio are way above what the old gen can deal with

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The team with 6 beats the team with 4

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#23  Edited By SoySpirit

Yamamoto 's Bankai is too much. The Gerard Trio is extremely overrated. With 3 of their power combined they struggled against the royal guard, while Shunsui only with help of his liutenant defeated the leader of the royal guards. He was made Captain Commander for a reason. The Gerard fight trio are like kids for him or Yamamoto, who was admittedly Shunsui's superior. Old team wins with both power and hax on their side.

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Team 2 wins. People are wanking some of the Team 1 members and Team 2 has numbers and at the absolute least equivalent fire power.

"Yamamoto bankai solos" - Bullshit. Toshiro counters it the way he did the guy who claimed he was hotter than Yamamoto before Toshiro whipped out his adult form and showed the new height of his power for the arc. Shunsui is a much larger threat than Yamamoto.

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Why do people think hitsugaya can freeze yamamoto's bankai?? Yamagee vapes his ass.

Because Hitsugaya and Kenny fans are not well known for being good powerscaler

Gerard is fodder for Yamamato period.And the Trio were unable to get rid of Nazi Thor.They did NOTHING at all

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Yamamoto 's Bankai is too much. The Gerard Trio is extremely overrated. With 3 of their power combined they struggled against the royal guard, while Shunsui only with help of his liutenant defeated the leader of the royal guards. He was made Captain Commander for a reason. The Gerard fight trio are like kids for him or Yamamoto, who was admittedly Shunsui's superior. Old team wins with both power and hax on their side.

Yamamoto and Shunsui wouldn't have been anymore successful against Gerard than the other three were. Nanao beat Lille, not Shunsui who failed against Lille by himself.

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@soyspirit said:

Yamamoto 's Bankai is too much. The Gerard Trio is extremely overrated. With 3 of their power combined they struggled against the royal guard, while Shunsui only with help of his liutenant defeated the leader of the royal guards. He was made Captain Commander for a reason. The Gerard fight trio are like kids for him or Yamamoto, who was admittedly Shunsui's superior. Old team wins with both power and hax on their side.

Yamamoto and Shunsui wouldn't have been anymore successful against Gerard than the other three were. Nanao beat Lille, not Shunsui who failed against Lille by himself.

Saying they wouldn't of been anymore successful in the battle with Gerard doesn't mean anything for this match. Bro, no one in the Gotei can literally take on Gerard since he literally can ALWAYS come back bigger and stronger.

And Nanao beating Lillie means what? Shunsui was taking on Lillie literally by himself, forcing him to go through multiple forms of himself. Shunsui just couldn't kill him until Nanao took out her plot mirror.

Imo, team one wins. Not only do they have Yamamoto who with Bankai can literally one tap 3 to 4 people on team 2, but they also have Shunsui who can deal with Kisuke,the most dangerous person on team 2 with his intelligence and sheer hax(Kisukes sheer intelligence and sheer hax btw).

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#28  Edited By Paxa
@jack_hart said:
@soyspirit said:

Yamamoto 's Bankai is too much. The Gerard Trio is extremely overrated. With 3 of their power combined they struggled against the royal guard, while Shunsui only with help of his liutenant defeated the leader of the royal guards. He was made Captain Commander for a reason. The Gerard fight trio are like kids for him or Yamamoto, who was admittedly Shunsui's superior. Old team wins with both power and hax on their side.

Yamamoto and Shunsui wouldn't have been anymore successful against Gerard than the other three were. Nanao beat Lille, not Shunsui who failed against Lille by himself.

Wrong,the magical weapon which reflected X-Axis defeated Lille,not Nanao

Needless to say Yamamato>Elite Nazis

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Yama still solos

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#30 TheEmperor95  Online

This is tough. Depends on 2 factors really. You say they start in base so is toshiro not starting in adult form? If he does I think team 2 takes him through his flash freeze. If he doesn't then he's pretty much a non factor since Yama would hard counter him

Second thing is whether you think rukia, kenpachi and byakuya are transcendent like they were virtually stated and shown to be. In which case team 2 stomps on that aspect as well.

Unohana would curb yoruichi or urahara 1v1 and if toshiro doesn't start as an adult she curbs him too. Ukitake is a huge weak link since we don't really know what he can do and his powers are very effective against anyone here. Kenpachi would curb any on team 1 imo. His stats especially in bankai are too much. He for sure beats unohana fairly easily which would lead to a 2v1 against the rest of team 1 which ukitake doesn't have the feats to support so basically a 3v1. To prevent this Yama would take on kenpachi first tying them both down for a little while. Then it comes down to if shunsui vs rukia/byakuya combo finishes first or unohana vs yourichi/urahara combo finishes first. The winner of those fights cascades it for their team.

This is again ignoring the first 2 points I brought up in which cases team 2 gets a decisive win if either applies and if both apply they borderline stomp

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This is tough. Depends on 2 factors really. You say they start in base so is toshiro not starting in adult form? If he does I think team 2 takes him through his flash freeze. If he doesn't then he's pretty much a non factor since Yama would hard counter him

Second thing is whether you think rukia, kenpachi and byakuya are transcendent like they were virtually stated and shown to be. In which case team 2 stomps on that aspect as well.

Unohana would curb yoruichi or urahara 1v1 and if toshiro doesn't start as an adult she curbs him too. Ukitake is a huge weak link since we don't really know what he can do and his powers are very effective against anyone here. Kenpachi would curb any on team 1 imo. His stats especially in bankai are too much. He for sure beats unohana fairly easily which would lead to a 2v1 against the rest of team 1 which ukitake doesn't have the feats to support so basically a 3v1. To prevent this Yama would take on kenpachi first tying them both down for a little while. Then it comes down to if shunsui vs rukia/byakuya combo finishes first or unohana vs yourichi/urahara combo finishes first. The winner of those fights cascades it for their team.

This is again ignoring the first 2 points I brought up in which cases team 2 gets a decisive win if either applies and if both apply they borderline stomp

Stopped reading at this point

Classic Kenpachi wanker

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People here really don't understand to read do they? It says they all begin in base, meaning both the factors of Toshiro and Rukia get immediately hella destroyed by Yamamoto or Shunsui immediately. And if Toshiro did go bankai, he'd have to wait for all his flower pedals to go out before he could go adult form, giving Yama or Shunsui enough time to completely kill him.

As for Yourichi and Byakuya, they're essentially a non factor here besides possibly taking out Ukitake. But they then immediately dies by Yama if Yama goes either Shikai of Bankai.

Kisuke and Kenpachi are the hardest here to deal with, since Kenpachi can take on Unohana without much difficulty and Kisuke could possibly take out Yama if Kisuke goes Bankai. But with Shunsuis bankai, he could possibly kill Kisuke before he even could think with his instant kill last attack. As for Kenpachi, If Yamamoto goes Bankai, he could potentially take down Kenpachi if Yamamoto uses His north or east Bankai mode. But the same can be said to Kenpachi taking down Yama if Kenpachi goes Bankai first and potentially blitzes Yama. As for that, my money is on Shunsui carrying with his Shikai and bankai to win this for team one.

So my money is on team one with Mid to High difficulty.

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#33 TheEmperor95  Online

@paxa: who would he not curb? He already curbed unohana in base and she even states her outright superiority to shunsui and the others. Yama is the only one who could challenge him and he'd need to bankai to do so. However kenpachi in bankai can cut him from a distance just like he did gerard

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#35  Edited By Guzmania

once again² no one here has any answer to shunsui's bankai, you need godly levels of immortality to survive that thing since he can just skip or fast forward his acts and then behead everyone

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#36 TheEmperor95  Online

@guzmania: he gets flash frozen or just kills one of kisuke dummy decoys that fooled aizen. He wouldn't even use it while his teammates are nearby as that would just make them casualties. It'd only be more useful away from everyone or later in the fight by which point it'd likely be too late

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@guzmania: he gets flash frozen

everyone starts in base, so if they both activate their bankais then the sharing of wounds act will be active, if he gets flash frozen then everyone will be too

@guzmania: He wouldn't even use it while his teammates are nearby as that would just make them casualties.

morals off so he would use it right of the bat like everyon else

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#38  Edited By Ningenoid

@theemperor95: any reason why Toshiro's freezing should be faster than LB's light attacks that Shunsui was dodging/evading? Not to mention everyone starts in base which renders Toshiro useless as he is a sub par captain without the adult form.

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Team 1 wins with high diff.

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#40 TheEmperor95  Online

@ningenoid: his flash freeze is instant. Without a perfect counter hax to lille shunsui couldn't dodge the x axis only the beams. Not sure if the OP wanted him to start as base adult or base child. Without it shunsui still isn't whipping out his bankai because of what it'd do to his teammates. I said above how I think this will play out

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#41 TheEmperor95  Online

@guzmania: morals off doesn't mean he's instantly going bankai. Morals off would be ichigo being perfectly fine with killing someone which he isn't normally because of his morals or attacking a girl etc. Shunsui not going bankai is so he doesn't effect his teammates. It's pretty much a complete negative for a team fight.

Also even if everyone is flash frozen neither rukia nor toshiro would be effected therefore they walk away

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@guzmania: morals off doesn't mean he's instantly going bankai. Morals off would be ichigo being perfectly fine with killing someone which he isn't normally because of his morals or attacking a girl etc. Shunsui not going bankai is so he doesn't effect his teammates. It's pretty much a complete negative for a team fight.

Also even if everyone is flash frozen neither rukia nor toshiro would be effected therefore they walk away

morals off means he won't care for his teammates if it means giving his team the win (even if he's the only survivor)

his bankai has a limited reality warping effect, i'm sure that it will be shared in a way or another that will bypass their resistance just like vollstanding lille started bleeding despite being made of light

plus, if he starts in base toshiro will have to wait before transforming into his adult form so there's also that

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#43 TheEmperor95  Online

@guzmania: except he wouldn't be the last person standing. 3 people on the other side have ways to get around (urahara can dummy swap) so he'd literally just make his team auto lose the fight if he did so. His bankai isn't a win condition at the start it's a lose condition. Morals off doesn't mean playing it stupid and needlessly killing his entire team at the start

Durability doesn't have anything to do with it. Both rukia and toshiro ( if he's an adult) will be operating at absolute 0 temps so freezing them literally does nothing because of how cold their bodies already are.

I agree about whether toshiro starts in adult base or normal base. Big difference but in either scenario I don't see shunsui just using bankai

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#44  Edited By Ningenoid

@theemperor95: FF isn't an instant attack. If Shunsui can dodge LB's light attacks the same way he can also dodge flash freezing. Not to mention Shunsui is just faster and he will oneshot as he can enter Bankai much faster than Toshiro

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#47 TheEmperor95  Online

@ningenoid: flash freeze is instant once it's cast and there's nothing for shunsui to dodge. He just gets frozen solid. Shunsui isn't faster?? Nothing suggests he's faster then adult toshiro. Faster then child toshiro for sure but not adult.

Shunsui bankai isn't easier to enter? Toshrio is far easier to enter unless you mean his adult version which isn't really bankai

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I’d go with the old but it’s maybe close

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@theemperor95: we both know what I was talking about. Hitsugaya has zero chance of entering adult mode and then Bankai against an opponent like Shunsui. Shunsui's Bankai is easily accessible when compared to hitsugayas.

Nothing suggests Toshiro is faster than Shunsui. Nothing suggest Toshiro can dodge Lille's light beams like Shunsui did. Show me a decent speed feat from Toshiro. And Toshiro can't freeze what he can't touch.

Even if Shunsui is generous enough to let Toshiro use Adult Bankai Mode he still loses. And since the fight starts in base Toshiro has zero chance anyway.

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Team 1