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Ichigo for now. Has planetary scaling while Blast only scales above multi continental.

Ichigo flattens him brutally, there’s not a single person in OPM that can contend with his level of AP, not even Saitama.

@shirso: lol at planetery ichigo

Blast High Diff.

He scales well above people like Bankai Yammamoto (whose passive heat would have at least surface wiped) and Ichibei who stole a 100 nights from the Soul Society of the future (multi planetary). And he is powerful enough to bisect SK Yhwach whose reiatsu was potent enough to destroy the 3 planets of Hueco Mundo, Soul Society and the World of the Living. Besides that characters like Bankai Kepachi would also be continental-multi continental given the multipliers from the Gremmy's meteor feat.

@shirso: those first 2 feats aren't even close to planetery. Ichigo can't even bust a moon.

Attack potency exists u know that right?

So the SK Yhwach scaling stands? Cool :)

@shirso: nope. No true planet blusters are present in bleach. He at best scales off Gremmy meteor. Any further is wank for ichigo.

@shirso:

Feat 1: no timeframe, and not planetary

Feat 2: no even measurable.

Feat 3: Hurting a glass canon character like Yhwach is not near planetary, even Ishida could hurt him.

Feat 4: Feat is Country level by statements, you aint gonna get to continental, let alone multi-continental even with multipliers.

Ichigo is above planet level, in fact we argue he’s large planet level because of Senna and the Blanks energy, and we have many methods and arguments to put Ichigo and the God tiers above Senna, who has an on panel feat of pushing back two dimensions that contain multiple planets.

He also scales above the Sokyoku which can planet bust, confirmed by Aizen and multiple other Bleach media.

People with peabrains would say things like you have to destroy a moon to be moon level, and that’s completely false and anyone that pedals such an opinion should be completely ignored like air.

Blast is even more featless outside of beating Elder Centipede. You can scale him above Tatsumaki and that’s fine, but unfortunately Ichigo scales higher.

@omnihater: thank you. Bleach fans really think ichigo is large planet with his crap feats and no good ones to back off.

@omnihater:

1) That shouldn't matter, his net energy content in Bankai can at least surface wipe and base Yhwach was able to steal and contain that power. Yammamoto was also holding back and his and Unohana's statements imply the timeframe isn't all that long.

2) It shows he can control black on a multi planetary scale.

3) Might have something to do with the Antithesis or the silver head of the arrow itself.

4) According to the novels, taking off the eyepatch would be a x20 multiplier, so Bankai is at least 100-200 times above the Gremmy feat which should put him in that range.

Ichigo is planet level lol

what is this downplay

God bleach wank is disgusting

@terrorkinggrimm: not by feats sadly.

@shirso:

1) To be Multi-con, it has to be instantaneous, which is not the case with Yamamoto, whatever it is going to be the method of destruction, and in whatever timeframe they want to invent, in the end it is not multi-con, much less planetary.

Base Yhwach can store a bankai that can destroy the surface of the planet in an indefinite timefrime, it doesn't tell me anything.

2) I repeat, it is not measurable, it is not known how much energy is required to control the "Black", so it is simply a matter of range and not power, nothing more.

3)It has nothing to do with that, it is a silver arrow bathed in the blood of the quincies that suffered death with the "many random characters" of Yhwach, the arrow only works if it is mixed with Yhwach's blood, and for To do that, Ishida has to first overcome Yhwach's durability with his sheer power.

4)Where does it say x20?

Where do you get those x100? when it is specifically said in the manga that the bankai is 5x~10x depending on the user.

@deathu101: tell me about it. Not my fault there visual feats suck

By statements and scaling, he is.

@omnihater:

1)The method of destruction would be vaporization since it's heat. It's not instant as he isn't directly attacking, it's just the passive heat and he is holding back on top. But timeframe or not, the point is the net energy content of that Bankai is at least surface wiping. The energy required to surface wipe doesn't change, whether you do it in 1 hour or 1 second. And Yhwach can absorb and control it fully.

2)Given this attack was an EE one, and the properties of his normal ink alone, him being able to control black on a multi planetary scale means he can wipe out a comparable area with that attack too.

3)I am aware, just saying it's possible he may have bypassed Yhwach's durability with the Antithesis or the silverhead itself is just highly potent. Though it's a good point, I'll say that.

4)The eyepatch being a x20 nerf was stated in one of the novels, you can ask someone like Ovy or NinjaRizer, etc for the scans.

Also I forgot to mention one of the other great feats he should scale above, namely SK Yhwach casually levitating a country sized structure hundreds of thousands of km into the air instantly.

@terrorkinggrimm: ichigo has no statements he can straight up planet bust .

@torrussilver: But weaker beings do?

You’ve already been debunked on another thread, don’t bring it here too

Ichigo

Never said he could planet bust (though he probably could with a few ceros). He definitely has Planet Level++ AP though.

By EOS, he massively transcends people like Yamamoto who could eradicate Soul Society in a short amount of time while unsuppressed, Senna who has a Planet Level Feat, and could fight on par with Yhwach who had enough power to to destroy multiple planet size realms.

@omnihater: It’s not a good point about Yhwach getting pierced by the arrow.

You literally see Yhwach deflecting a Getsuga Tenshou from Ichigo with his energy, grabbing the blade of HoS Ichigo with his hands, grabbing and crushing a GRC Getsuga Tenshou with his hands, and then he got pierced by the arrow.

There are two explanations for this. One is a easy to understand, which is because the arrow can nullify and cancel his powers (reiatsu) it makes sense that it can nullify the durability that is caused by his power.

The second explanation is linked to this. A persons durability is linked to their reiatsu, and reiatsu must be consciously exterted. If a person is caught off guard, they will be weaker than if they are caught on guard. This is clearly shown in so many places that it’s almost silly to list them all: Ichigo vs Aizen, Grimmjow vs Tousen, Aizen vs Urahara etc.

Stop talking about the arrow as if it’s some anti feat, it’s a weapon specifically designed to kill him and nullify his powers. Stop saying this.

@terrorkinggrimm: just lol at planet+++ AP. The first feat isn't even planetery. The second are unquantifible. Still can't planet bust

@ninjarizer: cope harder. No planet busters in bleach

@shirso:

1) If it's heat, it doesn't automatically vaporize, to be vaporization there has to be proof of that, heat can also reduce to ashes.

Here's a misunderstanding, the statement comes from Unohana, who doesn't know that Yamamoto is holding back at all, so mentioning that Yamamoto was holding back is irrelevant, because Unohana is talking about his bankai in general.

The energy for surfice wiping DOES change depending on the time, a country level meteor can surface wiping, but it does not do it instantly, for this reason, Yamamoto is not Multi-con.

2) This is another misunderstanding, the EE has to do more than anything with the fact that Ichibe has the power to remove names and damage conceptually, not materially (Ichibe does not destroy anything with his "ink"), so I repeat again, that feat is unmeasurable in terms of AP, it's just AoE.

3) antithesis just trades "events" his ability can't do anything against Yhwach's durability, and again, the arrow is a simple silver arrow.

4) Even if that were true, how does that make bankai x100?

5) that structure is not country sized, now where did that come from?

1) It needs to be mixed with Yhwach's blood to nullify his powers iirc which means it first needs to overcome his durability to begin with.

2) This could have been plausible but the thing is he was already exerting his reiatsu and boasting that the 3 worlds are going to become one and trying to absorb Ichigo so I doubt he was off guard and nerfing his reiatsu at that point.

Imo Antithesis is the most likely explanation.

@ninjarizer:

What you mention about Yhwach stopping what you want from Ichigo is irrelevant, the point is that to damage him you don't have to be planetary because Ishida isn't.

Your "explanations" are also invalid.

1) The arrow needs to touch Yhwach's blood to nullify his powers, so it's impossible for it to nullify anything before that.

2) Yhwach was in the middle of a battle and in middle of "busting" the 3 planets, there is no reason for him to be off guard or not exerting his reiatsu.

I'll keep talking about the arrow as an "antifeat" because it is, and you can cry all you want.

Blast scales to planet level, multi continental is lowball

@torrussilver: The Senna feat is not unquantifiable, what are you talking about

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Arc7Kuroi/Recalc_of_Senna_pushing_away_Planets

Here is the calc if you are interested.

The scaling from Yhwach is really all I need to prove that Ichigo is Planet Level btw

What planet level feats does Blast scale too? Pretty sure OPM hasn't reached those levels.

OT: Ichigo has much better scaling and AP feats. He stomps for now.

@terrorkinggrimm: ichigo still isn't planet level

Ichigo scales far beyond Blast who at best is continental. Complete and total stomp for Ichigo.

@torrussilver: now you're just coping

@terrorkinggrimm: not coping. Ichigo can't even dream of busting a moon

@gangorca:

"What planet level feats does Blast scale too? Pretty sure OPM hasn't reached those levels."

Scales above orochi gaia cannon, of course it doesn't make him "planet level" it should make him at least small planet level to small planet level+

@calculate_3:

If only I was trolling

@torrussilver: ok

damn bleach anime didnt even come back yet and its wankers are coming out of their hiding holes already .

anyway blast shits on the hill lvl verse

people still think orochi is small planet lvl....
OT: Ichigo

@omnihater:

1) We have seen what happens when his Bankai makes contact with the ground though, it vapes without a trace.

Actually Yammamoto himself states the same thing.

A country lvl meteor is only surface wiping in the sense that it would cause a lot of natural disasters like massive tsunamis, earthquakes, etc which would eventually life wipe, it obviously doesn't mean the entire crust of the earth will be destroyed from the impact. In this case, the terminology is very explicit, the entire Soul Society will burn to the ground.

2) I mean a continent covered with Ichibei's ink might as well be air, as it would have zero durability. How is that worse than say pulverizing it?

3) It could have swapped a prior damage with Yhwach though I admit this point is a bit more ambiguous.

4) Bankai itself is not x100, I just said Bankai would be an at least x100 amp compared to his Shikai, eyepatch on state.

Taking eyepatch off -> x20 amp

Shikai to Bankai -> x5-10 amp

So going from eyepatch on Shikai to eyepatch off Bankai is at least x100

5) Wandenreich is the size of Seireitei I believe.

@omnihater: The first point is valid, but it’s still very plausible considering the arrow passed through him, and it’s only the arrow head that was made from Still Silver, the rod was still stuck in him and still nullified his powers.

One can be exerting their reiatsu and still not be exerting reiatsu towards their durability. There have been many times where a person has been charging an attack or performing an attack and has been cut down in he midst of it by an equal or weaker opponent, rendering this point moot.

It’s clear by the exclamation point that Yhwach had when he was pierced that he was caught off guard.

Lastly, who are you to determine the AP of the arrow?

@shirso:

1) You can't compare his sword, with his passive heat, when what's around him isn't burning, or anything like that, not to mention Yamamoto explains that what his sword touches just disappears.

What does "burn to the ground" mean? Pulverization, vaporizing, ashes?

And at the end of the day the meteorite is surface wiping, because its energy causes all that you say, if the meteorite destroys the entire layer of the earth with just the impact, it is multi-continental, because guess what, it is instantaneous, what is it What I have been saying, that Yamamoto can destroy the surface of the planet in an indeterminate period of time already leaves it out of the multi-continental scale.

2) But, the continent would be still there, it is scientifically and logically impossible to measure, because we are talking about something conceptual, and not material, something that can only be classified as AoE.

3) You can't change something that hasn't happened.

4) Fair, but first we have to see if that x20 thing is true.

5) It can't be the size of the sereitei, if parts of sereitei was still there when the wandenreich was up.

@ninjarizer:

You will have to bring more than words to argue that Yhwach concentrated his reiatsu conveniently for attack, and not for defense, and this is also irrelevant because I can say "conveniently" that when Ichigo cut SK Yhwach "he had concentrated his reiatsu on attack."

I don't decide anything, Ishida has no feats, no scaling planet level whatsoever, and even so he was able to hurt SK Yhwach, that shows that you don't need to be at that level to hurt him, and that Ichigo is not planet level for "cutting" him, when even Ishida can do that.