Black Widow (MCU) vs John Diggle (Arrow)

@danieldaripper: We' also seen Diggle lose to a random dominator and those aren't as skilled as Bucky. As for Diggles fight with Oliver we know Oliver wasn't actually brain washed so I think he was holding back. Diggle has no sword fighting training, he was trained in the military as well, so it doesn't make sense he could hold his own with Oliver. I also find it convenient Oliver defeated Diggle as soon as Thea arrived.

@danieldaripper: also smacked up trained league of assasin members who were armed with swords.

@jashro44: That's why I said they were inconsistent, they go from giving Steel a tough time , to being challenged by Diggle but we know they are around super soldier level of strength. He could be holding back since he doesn't want to actually kill Diggle but he does slash him. We know that Diggle knows escrima, now this martial art is most commonly associated with either unarmed or escrima stick combat, but there is a style that revolves around swords so maybe that's how Diggle knows how to use a sword. More like Thea arrives conveniently after Oliver beats Diggle.

I mean Dominators aren't comparable to Bucky who has actual training and skill in addition to stats. He'll just grab Diggle by the throat with his bionic arm and choke him out. Bucky wont hold back like Oliver did. Besides Bucky would beat Oliver to...

@jashro44: I agree that skill wise Bucky is better but physicals are the same, the Oliver feat was to showcase skill, not saying Oliver is above Bucky in physical but with something like a sword he can win.

Thing is Diggle isn't just against a super human, and he isn't just against a skilled fighter. He's facing someone who is both. So those showings don't really show Diggle can deal with both those advantages at once. the best showing Diggle has is his showing with Ravagar but he lost and Bucky is more skilled than her as well, and physically better if we compare there respective feats (and not mirakuru users at large).

@jashro44: Fair enough but I already said Diggle would lose just that he'll put up a decent fight.

Natasha stomps.

Diggle has no business being compared to elite agents.

Nat, she's possibly the most impressive peak human street leveller in MCU, DCEU, Nolan and CW barring T'Challa.

Assuming this is a h2h fight, Dig takes this comfortably. Too physically dominant.

Ok, that's too far lol

Obviously not for him.

Diggle.

@anthp2000: For the record T'challa is a confirmed super human.

@the_magister: Lol seriously.

Gear, skill, speed and agility too much. And I'd definitely challenge you on that actually.

She's a woman. Of course she's no physical match for someone like Buck or Steve. That hardly matters in the fairest possible scenario tho.

I've talked about how toughness is far below diversity, skill and mobility in a fight of any kind and any universe before. These live action peak humans are no different at all.

@jashro44: Where's that from?

@jashro44: Thanx for that scan. Probably why he was far too impressive for anyone Supersoldier level. His speed is legit most of the reason why I rank him so high and honestly, seems like he overwhelmed Buck with that more than anything.

By sheer quantity and quality of feats/statements, she falls below some of the uppermost tier fighters in the MCU. She is still absolutely brilliant though.

@the_magister: She doesn't have many fight scenes against legit named opponents, but choreography-wise, I'd confidently say she's above most if not all of them. Still with a grain of salt but that's just my view.

What are the statements you're referring to?

MCU guide book to civil war.

No problem.

Choreography is very important imo, which is why I still rank her so high.

Statements like:

• Daredevil being called the most naturally skilled fighter Stick has ever seen
• Captain America being referred to as the greatest soldier in history
• Melinda May being outright stated by Marvel Entertainment to be the most lethal agent in SHIELD's history

etc.

@the_magister: Yeah I feel ashamed. I ALWAYS forget about the MCU shows (like AoS). I always speak of MCU talking about the films.

I'm not really knowledgable on those to speak of, but I will say that Cap bring refered to as the best soldier in history is pretty vague. A soldier is much more than a combatant. They could very well be referring to achievements, characteristics like self sacrifice (which is the reason he became a super soldier in the first place) etc.

Very true about Cap.

But wait...

YOU DON'T WATCH THE NETFLIX SHOWS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

@the_magister: I don't know how I'm still breathing tbh.

Widow wins.

Natasha stomps

I still have Widow above due to statements and choreography, but I don't think it would be a stomp...

Natasha takes the win, but Diggle would make her work for it. He's a tank

Natasha is more agile and acrobating but Diggle is beast in physical stats and he is also good fighter. So idk.

H2h, Dig would win. Gear is closer. But considering Dig's armor and Nat's lack there of, I'd bet on Dig.

In H2H Diggle wins. More skilled through scaling and better physicals.

Diggle is better h2h. I'd back Nat with gear.

Diggle. More skilled, better stats, bigger, heavier, sexier etc.

Diggle beating the Black Widow in any kind of contest is one of the most hilarious scenarios I can('t) picture in my head that I've seen on CV.

Ya dig?

@rbt: @maestromage : @thesuperor : @danieldaripper : @ anthp2000 : Black widow Stomp she kill a wonder woman.

John Diggle takes it by now in a tough fight.

Natasha stomps

Currently Diggle but her solo movie will change

Could go either way, leaning towards Diggle

bump

Black Widow doesn’t get any new feats really, so using what feats she already has.....Widow Stomps

In h2h definitely Dig but with gear Widow is more competent