Black Panther VS Mr Miracle

@AtPhantom

@Static Shock

Pretty sure Scott could run rings around the Panther.

The gauntlet is thrown.

I honestly don't know much about Scott (as opposed to Shilo Norman), so I thought the two experts should debate each other.

I'm not really sure how skilled in combat Scott is, but he has the reaction time to casually evade Orion, and Orion is a casual bullet dodger himself. So unless Panther is a bullet dodger himself, I don't think he's gonna lay a hit on him.

@AtPhantom: T'Challa is on par and has fought evenly against bullet timers on multiple occasions, so I'd say he could.

T'challa I'm leaning more towards.

Eh its tough but honestly im giving it to Mr Miracle for reasons justifiable only by me im sure.

@Morpheus_: I don't think he can actually catch bullets though, can he?

For the record, this is how Scott vs Orion goes:

Damn right it is!

Yeah, Simmonson is pretty graphic and good at conveying the energy of what's going on to the panel.

black panther wins better tech

black panther wins better tech

Good match up. Fighting and strength I give to Panther but with those scans it looks a lot closer than I would have thought. Watching this one.

@imbackwimps said:

black panther wins better tech

................. knowledge fail ......

@Morpheus_ said:

@imbackwimps said:

black panther wins better tech

...Than Mother Box? Is this serious?

yes better tech and weapons

@Morpheus_ said:

@imbackwimps said:

black panther wins better tech

...Than Mother Box? Is this serious?

I agree that the tech that MM has is much more advanced, but T'challa's tech mixed with his cunning and martial arts prowess do pose a challenge for Scott. For instance one of T'challa's energy dagger could KO Mr Miracle.

@imbackwimps said:

@Morpheus_ said:

@imbackwimps said:

black panther wins better tech

...Than Mother Box? Is this serious?

yes better tech and weapons

^He says this without even batting an eye.

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@imbackwimps said:

black panther wins better tech

................. knowledge fail ......

Powers and abilities

The title "Black Panther" is a rank of office, chieftain of the Wakandan Panther Clan. As chieftain, the Panther is entitled to eat a special heart-shaped herb which, in addition to his mystical connection with the Wakandan Panther god, grants him superhumanly acute senses and increases his strength, speed, stamina, and agility to the peak of human development. He has since lost this connection and forged a new one with another unknown Panther deity, granting him augmented physical attributes as well as a resistance to magic. His senses are so powerful that he can pick up a prey's scent and memorize tens of thousands of individual ones.

As king of Wakanda, the Panther has access to a vast collection of magical artifacts, advanced Wakandan technological and military hardware, as well as the support of his nation's wide array of scientists, warriors, and mystics. The Wakandan military has been described as one of the most powerful on Earth. His attire is the sacred vibranium costume of the Wakandan Panther Cult.

He is a skilled hunter, tracker, strategist, politician, inventor, and scientist—he has a Ph.D. degree in physics from Oxford University. Considered one of the eight smartest people on the planet, he is a genius in physics and advanced technology, and is a brilliant inventor.

T'Challa is a rigorously trained gymnast and acrobat, showing mastery in various African martial arts as well as contemporary ones and fighting styles that belong to no known disciplines. In the miniseries Doomwar, he created a new form of martial arts incorporating both science and sorcery.

In Volume 3, writer Christopher Priest expanded the Panther's day-to-day arsenal to include equipment such as an "energy dagger", a vibranium-weave suit, and a portable supercomputer, the "Kimoyo card." In Volume 4, writer Reginald Hudlin introduced such specialized equipment as "thrice-blessed armor" and "light armor" for specific tasks, and for a short while outfitted him with the Ebony Blade of the Black Knight.better read up

@kadeem said:

@Morpheus_ said:

@imbackwimps said:

black panther wins better tech

...Than Mother Box? Is this serious?

I agree that the tech that MM has is much more advanced, but T'challa's tech mixed with his cunning and martial arts prowess do pose a challenge for Scott. For instance one of T'challa's energy dagger could KO Mr Miracle.

THIS

@imbackwimps: In this battle T'challa is only wearing his vibranium weave armor and doesn't have access to the ebony blade. I'm leaning slightly toward T'challa winning, but i think it will be very close. Scott's Motherbox may be a huge problem for BP.

@imbackwimps: lol you posted a wiki? just lol and nothing in that suggests that he has better tech than that of new genesis tech .... which Mr Miracle has ..... I'll post "scans" later

@Ancient_0f_Days: Its fine I think the general consensus agrees that Miracle has the more advanced tech. Do you think it will be enough to give Scott an advantage over T'challa and why?

@kadeem said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: Its fine I think the general consensus agrees that Miracle has the more advanced tech. Do you think it will be enough to give Scott an advantage over T'challa and why?

The mother box alone is enough to make this some what unfair, but Mr Miracle is also skilled as he was trained on Apokolips, but as for tech, the mother box basically gives the user life detection, danger sense (kinda like spider sense and with Scott's evasion capabilities, he aint getting touched by T'challa), Machine animation and control (since the motherbox is a sentient machine it can make other machines sentient and control them), boom tube of course, energy transfer (it can supply the user with power/energy to increase strength, speed, stamina etc), life support .... etc ... and he can control the mother box through his helmet, so he can freely use his hands at all times. I dont think Mr Miracle has too many physical advantages ... but with the mother box he can take over some of T'challa's tech and use it against him ... all while being untouchable by using his trickery, evasion, flight (Aero Disks) and enhanced speed .....

Mr. Miracle all the freakin' way.

@kadeem said:

@imbackwimps: In this battle T'challa is only wearing his vibranium weave armor and doesn't have access to the ebony blade. I'm leaning slightly toward T'challa winning, but i think it will be very close. Scott's Motherbox may be a huge problem for BP.

yeah this is a great battle good fight my dude

@Morpheus_ said:

@imbackwimps said:

black panther wins better tech

...Than Mother Box? Is this serious?

no. not at all...or he's some kind of stupid. New God tech >>> Wakandan Tech

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@imbackwimps: lol you posted a wiki? just lol and nothing in that suggests that he has better tech than that of new genesis tech .... which Mr Miracle has ..... I'll post "scans" later

but you claim that you read comics saying BP dont have great tech makes me think you really are just talking to be talking

@KalTheHokage_2007 said:

@Morpheus_ said:

@imbackwimps said:

black panther wins better tech

...Than Mother Box? Is this serious?

no. not at all...or he's some kind of stupid. New God tech >>> Wakandan Tech

no i think you are to say that BP tech cant hang then BP skills would put him over miracle

@imbackwimps said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@imbackwimps: lol you posted a wiki? just lol and nothing in that suggests that he has better tech than that of new genesis tech .... which Mr Miracle has ..... I'll post "scans" later

but you claim that you read comics saying BP dont have great tech makes me think you really are just talking to be talking

once again ... your ability to put words in my mouth is astonishing .... I specifically said .. wait ... its right up there in the quote, what am I doing bout to repeat myself to yo blind self ... read that again .... you showcase illiteracy at its best performance

@AtPhantom said:

I'm not really sure how skilled in combat Scott is, but he has the reaction time to casually evade Orion, and Orion is a casual bullet dodger himself. So unless Panther is a bullet dodger himself, I don't think he's gonna lay a hit on him.

Isn't Orion much faster than bullet dodger? Hasn't he beaten (not sure) or stalemated Superman?

I'm gonna say Mr. Miracle.

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@imbackwimps said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@imbackwimps: lol you posted a wiki? just lol and nothing in that suggests that he has better tech than that of new genesis tech .... which Mr Miracle has ..... I'll post "scans" later

but you claim that you read comics saying BP dont have great tech makes me think you really are just talking to be talking

once again ... your ability to put words in my mouth is astonishing .... I specifically said .. wait ... its right up there in the quote, what am I doing bout to repeat myself to yo blind self ... read that again .... you showcase illiteracy at its best performance

you show no mercy

I've only read a few issues of Scott's second volume and the 1987 Mister Miracle Special, but he's taken a few hits from Barda there. Is that what his durability is usually like?

@AtPhantom said:

I'm not really sure how skilled in combat Scott is, but he has the reaction time to casually evade Orion, and Orion is a casual bullet dodger himself. So unless Panther is a bullet dodger himself, I don't think he's gonna lay a hit on him.

T'Challa's dodged bullets before. Whether he's dodging the aim of the shooter or the actual bullet is a mystery.

@imbackwimps said:

but you claim that you read comics saying BP dont have great tech makes me think you really are just talking to be talking

I read Black Panther comics all the time. T'Challa has nothing equal to the Mother Box. The Kimoyo Card doesn't even compare. You posted a wiki entry as if it's supposed to prove your point. It does not.

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@imbackwimps said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@imbackwimps: lol you posted a wiki? just lol and nothing in that suggests that he has better tech than that of new genesis tech .... which Mr Miracle has ..... I'll post "scans" later

but you claim that you read comics saying BP dont have great tech makes me think you really are just talking to be talking

once again ... your ability to put words in my mouth is astonishing .... I specifically said .. wait ... its right up there in the quote, what am I doing bout to repeat myself to yo blind self ... read that again .... you showcase illiteracy at its best performance

no i dont put words in your mouth but you do put your foot there alot though and im still waiting for you to show me the word wait in your comment blind man go ahead show me

@Static Shock said:

@imbackwimps said:

but you claim that you read comics saying BP dont have great tech makes me think you really are just talking to be talking

I read Black Panther comics all the time. T'Challa has nothing equal to the Mother Box. The Kimoyo Card doesn't even compare. You posted a wiki entry as if it's supposed to prove your point. It does not.

so your a team player i see thanks for showing my point and BP tech is in par with ironman( Shadow physics,Techno Organic Jungle, Kimoyo card, and Vibranium expert. That was a list of feats I can think of him off hand which he made not somebody else

@imbackwimps said:

so your a team player i see thanks for showing my point and BP tech is in par with ironman( Shadow physics,Techno Organic Jungle, Kimoyo card, and Vibranium expert. That was a list of feats I can think of him off hand which he made not somebody else

I wasn't showing your point, nor was I supporting you. T'Challa doesn't have tech on the level of the Mother Box. Shadow physics isn't tech. It's a field of science. The techno-jungle is just a section of Wakanda with a multitude of a traps and flora/fauna that has negative effects on the human body. It is obsolete to Tony's current armor, and T'Challa hasn't even used that since the late 1980s. The Kimoyo Card doesn't compare, as I've already said. Being a vibranium expert has nothing to do with tech.

@Static Shock said:

@imbackwimps said:

so your a team player i see thanks for showing my point and BP tech is in par with ironman( Shadow physics,Techno Organic Jungle, Kimoyo card, and Vibranium expert. That was a list of feats I can think of him off hand which he made not somebody else

I wasn't showing your point, nor was I supporting you. T'Challa doesn't have tech on the level of the Mother Box. Shadow physics isn't tech. It's a field of science. The techno-jungle is just a section of Wakanda with a multitude of a traps and flora/fauna that has negative effects on the human body. It is obsolete to Tony's current armor, and T'Challa hasn't even used that since the late 1980s. The Kimoyo Card doesn't compare, as I've already said. Being a vibranium expert has nothing to do with tech.

and i know you was not showing my point the point was made for your friends right all the thing i listed was to show you what he is capable of dont and did mr miracle even make the mother box i dont know i dont think he did so with that he is useing somebody else tech when BP can come up with his own like he did when he was fighting that guy in hells kitchen and he came up with the tech to beat him with it

@imbackwimps said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

once again ... your ability to put words in my mouth is astonishing .... I specifically said .. wait ... its right up there in the quote, what am I doing bout to repeat myself to yo blind self ... read that again .... you showcase illiteracy at its best performance

no i dont put words in your mouth but you do put your foot there alot though and im still waiting for you to show me the word wait in your comment blind man go ahead show me

oh my god ... what to address first ....

First, you did put words in my mouth cause I said ......

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@imbackwimps:

just lol and nothing in that suggests that he has better tech than that of new genesis tech ....

and you say I said .....

@imbackwimps said:

but you claim that you read comics saying BP dont have great tech

.... So .... yeah you put words in my mouth, and just in case if you don't know what that means ... " to interpret what someone said so that the words mean what you want and not what the speaker wanted." and that is exactly what you did ... so pull your head out of your arse ...

Second, when I said "wait" ... I was stopping myself from repeating myself to you for no reason, hence why I put dots instead of quotes ..... you obviously have no grasp on the multiple uses of common language .... great show, I applaud your peerless mastery of complete illiteracy .... well done ...

@imbackwimps said:

did mr miracle even make the mother box i dont know i dont think he did so with that he is useing somebody else tech

Whether or not Mister Miracle made the Mother Box is besides the point. The most notable residents of Apokalips use one, and it's a part of his standard equipment. The things you listed aren't exactly relevant to what he has in comparison to the Mother Box. You said that T'Challa had better tech, and when given the opportunity to prove this, you're unable to.

@imbackwimps said:

BP can come up with his own like he did when he was fighting that guy in hells kitchen and he came up with the tech to beat him with it

Black Panther has no prep, so he's not coming up with tech on his own. He's using his standard equipment.

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@imbackwimps said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

once again ... your ability to put words in my mouth is astonishing .... I specifically said .. wait ... its right up there in the quote, what am I doing bout to repeat myself to yo blind self ... read that again .... you showcase illiteracy at its best performance

no i dont put words in your mouth but you do put your foot there alot though and im still waiting for you to show me the word wait in your comment blind man go ahead show me

oh my god ... what to address first ....

First, you did put words in my mouth cause I said ......

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@imbackwimps:

just lol and nothing in that suggests that he has better tech than that of new genesis tech ....

and you say I said .....

@imbackwimps said:

but you claim that you read comics saying BP dont have great tech

.... So .... yeah you put words in my mouth, and just in case if you don't know what that means ... " to interpret what someone said so that the words mean what you want and not what the speaker wanted." and that is exactly what you did ... so pull your head out of your arse ...

Second, when I said "wait" ... I was stopping myself from repeating myself to you for no reason, hence why I put dots instead of quotes ..... you obviously have no grasp on the multiple uses of common language .... great show, I applaud your peerless mastery of complete illiteracy .... well done ...

lol well first off ill need a dictionary to talk like you do thank god i don't people can understand me and people dont need to look up every word that comes out of my mouth but ill bet your a hit at a party lol when you stop talking like your at a M I T classroom and need to sound smarter for you too feel better about yourself because lets face it if you really were you would not be on comicvine 23 out of 24 hours out of the day come debate me then OK

@Static Shock said:

@imbackwimps said:

did mr miracle even make the mother box i dont know i dont think he did so with that he is useing somebody else tech

Whether or not Mister Miracle made the Mother Box is besides the point. The most notable residents of Apokalips use one, and it's a part of his standard equipment. The things you listed aren't exactly relevant to what he has in comparison to the Mother Box. You said that T'Challa had better tech, and when given the opportunity to prove this, you're unable to.

@imbackwimps said:

BP can come up with his own like he did when he was fighting that guy in hells kitchen and he came up with the tech to beat him with it

Black Panther has no prep, so he's not coming up with tech on his own. He's using his standard equipment.

if i need to show you what BP tech is like then i dont think you read BP

I think Black Panther would win, but only because this is a casual sparring match. If this was a bloodlusted fight, Mr. Miracle could use the anti-life equation to make Black panther kill himself.He also has the alpha effect, which puts him in the 100+ ton club. In respomse to the earlier comments about BP's ability to dodge bullets, he is able to.

@imbackwimps: lol U mad, first of all NO ONE understands you most of the time because you lack the ability to make sense. XxImpossibruxX knew what I was talking about when I said "wait" but you didn't ... if you can't understand English like everybody else, that's your problem not mine. You can't even put periods in your sentences to show where the sentence ends, every single sentence you type is one big run on, so you can't talk about how I try to sound. Speaking of which, you think I "try" to sound smart? Well thanks for the compliment, I guess I do sound smart now that you mention it, never though I was trying, but hey if you say so. Says a lot about how you don't sound huh .....

Lol sounding smart to feel better about myself? Really? How does that even make sense to you (wait, I almost forgot who I was talking to), using that logic you are trying to sound dumb to make yourself feel worse about yourself. I don't know how someone over the age of 13 types as immaturely and as you do, unless you are a thirteen year old or younger. I guess since you might be used to spell check solving all of your typing problems for you it's become a crutch. Or you just forgot punctuation altogether ......

Only reason why I might be signed on to comic vine for however long, is because I forget to sign out when I turn my computer off ....

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@imbackwimps: lol U mad, first of all NO ONE understands you most of the time because you lack the ability to make sense. XxImpossibruxX knew what I was talking about when I said "wait" but you didn't ... if you can't understand English like everybody else, that's your problem not mine. You can't even put periods in your sentences to show where the sentence ends, every single sentence you type is one big run on, so you can't talk about how I try to sound. Speaking of which, you think I "try" to sound smart? Well thanks for the compliment, I guess I do sound smart now that you mention it, never though I was trying, but hey if you say so. Says a lot about how you don't sound huh .....

Lol sounding smart to feel better about myself? Really? How does that even make sense to you (wait, I almost forgot who I was talking to), using that logic you are trying to sound dumb to make yourself feel worse about yourself. I don't know how someone over the age of 13 types as immaturely and as you do, unless you are a thirteen year old or younger. I guess since you might be used to spell check solving all of your typing problems for you it's become a crutch. Or you just forgot punctuation altogether ......

Only reason why I might be signed on to comic vine for however long, is because I forget to sign out when I turn my computer off ....

good one i have to use it sometime forgot to sign out i like that and only some one like you would take this so serious as to type like your making out a job resume let me tell you something its just a comic book forum and yes i do think you do try to sound smart the key word is try but im going to let you go because with a vocabulary like yours im sure you have alot of party's with friends(not comicvine friends) and girlfriends to see hey just a hint girls love when you talk about the physics of bugs too and dont forget the big bang theory comes on at 9