@blackspidey2099: Sure thing. I already gave my reasoning in the post you replied to, so I'll only bolster the claims I made therein with some feats.
He uses his speed much more effectively on a consistent basis.
This was worded very deliberately. I'm acknowledging that Spider-Man has a handful of really good feats that could be used to put him on par with Midnighter, but even when you give him the full benefit of the doubt and say that he's just as fast as him, Trent still uses his speed much wiser, and in nearly all of his appearances. Here he is vibrating his metal restraints apart between the blinks of Amanda Waller.
In his follow-up series, Midnighter & Apollo, he bullet-times casually without the use of his battle computer, even outrunning the bullets themselves before blitzing a magic bullet through the head of the bullet-catching Mawzir with his skull.
These are only two select showings; he's performed feats of superhuman speed since Midnighter (2015-) #1. Other feats I could cite include changing into his costume faster-than-eyesight, outrunning sniper fire, and humiliating Deadshot.
Has the striking power to bring him down.
With his superhuman strength and battle computer, Midnighter has bloodied the likes of Etrigan, Parasite, and Apollo. In terms of pure standalone feats, he also crushed Nth Metal with his fists as explained in Deathstroke (2011-) #4. This is the same series where Deathstroke's Nth Metal armor withstood a flying bullrush from a character over 100 tons and no-sold an explosion that completely leveled a multistory apartment building.
Hopefully this helps give you an idea of what I'm talking about in my previous post.
@michaelfnshotz: His durability is admittedly less impressive than his speed or striking power. His best showing so far was brushing off being hurled upward through a secret underground bunker into the air before falling back down to the street.
I wouldn't say spider sense is more powerful than the battle computer as it does everything the former can and more. Here he is running a fight through his head one million times for every round Deadshot chambered when he was spamming.
He does end up taking a shot here but it was only to prove to Floyd how hopeless he really was. For the record, I don't think Spider-Man has any feats of dodging as good a marksman for as long as Midnighter did, least of all having done it so casually.
Vixen's meh... do you really wanna compare her to Spidey?
I wouldn't compare her to Spidey but effortlessly outpacing someone I would call a solid mid street through skill alone is still an impressive feat. When he fought Midnighter he had also already wounded him by stabbing him through the abdomen with a large kitchen knife. Prometheus goes as far to mention Batman, Lady Shiva, one of Karate Kid's ancestors, as well as Midnighter himself as four of thirty people he had copied beforehand. Here's the first three pages of their fight.
What has Spider-Man done skill-wise that compares to beating Prometheus under these circumstances?
Also, I don't think that would really be Midnighter's best durability feat, he's tanked attacks that levelled a city
Why are you telling me about a character you came to me with questions about? He has not done this post-Flashpoint and I wouldn't even say Wildstorm Midnighter has city-level durability.
His h2h performances with Grifter don't inspire confidence imo. Even with Grifter's other abilities.
He fought Grifter two times post-Flashpoint and neither were post-Stormwatch. Regardless this was back when Midnighter didn't even have his battle computer, just pure body reading and stats. He stomped him the first time around and they fought evenly in the second when he had his telekinesis which was a lot more powerful in the New-52 than it was in Wildstorm. Neither are as low of showings as you're making them out to be. Midnighter still has other hand-to-hand feats like soloing a dozen metahuman assassins who were giving characters like Red Hood and Katana trouble individually in Batman & Robin Eternal #25. I don't have the scans at the moment but it was mostly off-panel anyway.
Pete's learned to figured out how to fight around body/mind reading abilities before, so Idk if Mid's super computer is going to help him here and I don't think he's a great enough martial artist alone to clinch it.
You'll at least need to name the characters you're referring to if you aren't going to provide scans or citations. The battle computer doesn't fall under either body reading or telepathy in the first place so you're really leaping to conclusions here.
Prometheus is as shaky as Taskmaster with less rationale as to how come. It's impressive if we go by peak Prometheus though, I'll give you that. I still don't think I'd put those odds over Pete
Taskmaster is on the higher end of mid street and has faced Spider-Man and other Spider characters like Spider-Woman and Venom mostly just through raw skill. He's even copied Peter's agility. Not sure how you think making that comparison is furthering your argument. But now you're saying that even if we were talking about peak Prometheus, which we're not, this still wouldn't do what? Make Midnighter more skilled than Spider-Man? What can you do to substantiate these claims?
He fought Grifter two times post-Flashpoint and neither were post-Stormwatch.
He actually fought Grifter again after Orlando got his hands on him and got his battle computer established. Grayson issue 18 if you want the issues.Fought a team of 6 blokes, most of whom I don't remember the name of, but Grifter and Bronze Tiger were among them. Not all of the fight is shown, but from what we're shown, shows him dismantling that whole team by himself:
When did Midnighter ever crush Slade's armor?
Well, he didn't crush is, but he did damage it. Before the retcon happened after rebirth, Midnighter was the one who killed Grant Wilson, you can see his chinspike where they show his death in Deathstroke vol 2 issue 6. Grant's armor was the same as Slade, i.e Nth metal:
Midnighter is post Flashpoint not Wildstorm without his stormwatch feat since I wasn't sure how canon they were back then.
Steve Orlando already confirmed that the Midnighter from Stormwatch is the same Midnighter who appears in Batman and Robin Eternal, Grayson, as well as the solo series he wrote. @elijah_c_washington should have the tweet screenshot. I lost mine where I lost all my scans a few months ago
I'm not disputing Slade's speed of course, but T'Challa has similar speed feats. He speed blitzed Karnak who has cut a bullet in half,
No, he didn't. Punching a bullet-timer twice before he could react isn't a blitz. By that logic, any character who tags a bullet-timer is a bullet-timer blitzer. What Deathstroke did is an actual blitz however: hitting Batman a considerable amount of times (8 times, to be exact) in the face before he could react, with clean, meaningful strikes. Not to mention the Karnak bullet-cutting feat happened years later, in the same period that Karnak was basically reinvented, so I fail to see the relevance.
completely dissapeared in front of a group of people, dodged FTE punches from bloodlusted Iron Fist while underwater
Am I supposed to be impressed? Batman has faster-than-eyesight feats and Cassandra Cain blitzed an entire mansion in seconds at faster-than-eyesight speeds (something far above moving faster-than-eyesight a few feet, or even dozens of feet, given she crossed an entire mansion at FTE speeds) . Slade blitzed the latter and was faster than Cassie by her own admission.
and he has also out-sped people like Wolverine and Captain America.
Wolverine is iffy, all he did was evade him. Logan did say "Wow! fast" or something to that effect but it's hard to say if he was just impressed by his speed and that implies they're on a similar level, or something else. As for Cap, can I see the scan? Regardless out-speeding Captain America isn't on the same level as moving dozens of feet and blitzing a bullet timer like Black Canary and a high-end arrow timer like Green Arrow in Green Arrow Vol. 3 #75:
Not to mention actually blitzing and mauling down a character faster than Batman (Bronze Tiger) by a solid margin is well above just "out-speeding Captain America." I really don't see Black Panther replicating a feat such as moving so fast that the world is in complete slow-motion in The New Titans #73, or managing to go through the absurdly quick blades of a fan in the New Titans #75:
That's why I think they are around the same level.
Not really. They're especially not on the same level in regards to reaction times. Black Panther literally has <one> bullet-timing feat of flipping over an old-ass handgun bullet, in his <entire> publication history. Deathstroke jumps in several feet and slices machine gunfire out of the air from 3 directions, contorts his body around dozens of machine bullets from a few feet away, dodges bullets shot inches from his face, effortlessly weaves and flips through dozens of machine gunfire bullets, and more. Flipping over a <single> handgun bullet isn't impressive.
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