black panther and daredevil vs batman and nightwing

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BATMAN AND NIGHTWING  don't have any prep time neither do 
black panther and daredevil 

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#2  Edited By King_Saturn
Black Panther and Daredevil can pull out a win here
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BP and DD

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Without preperation, I'd probably go with team 1.......
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Team One.

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#7  Edited By castleking
ill pick team2  DD being the weak link... and only possible way for BP to win is by affirmative action and his BS vibe suit. other then that they really shouldnt win. -_-
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I'll got with team one. Daredevil can beat Nightwing and Black Panther can definately handle Batman in this scenario. It won't be easy, but he can do it.

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Black Panther and Daredevil.

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I'd give it to Team 1 after a tough bout. Panther would fight Bats to a standstill, and once DD handles Nightwing, they'd jump Bats and win.
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NW can easily ko DD with his suit security if DD tried to get close. -_-
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#12  Edited By Turlast

And DD could knock his ass out with the billy club, too; nevermind the pressure point techniques.
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#13  Edited By Ferro Vida
@castleking said:
" NW can easily ko DD with his suit security if DD tried to get close. -_- "
If it were that easy then why doesn't he just always use his suit security instead of actual skill?
 
Daredevil is arguably a better fighter, has better feats of strength, and his senses give him the edge he would need to win this fight.
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#14  Edited By castleking
good luck getting past NW's padded armor regularly for nerve strikes against a higher skilled MA fighter then DD. also NW can just as easily block the billy club with his escrimas.
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#15  Edited By Ferro Vida
@castleking said:
" good luck getting past NW's padded armor regularly for nerve strikes against a higher skilled MA fighter then DD. also NW can just as easily block the billy club with his escrimas. "
Daredevil has managed to hit nerve points through padded armor before. In Guardian Devil Msyterio's right hand man was wearing a suit to make him appear bigger and too increase his strength, yet Matt was able to hit a nerve near his right pectoral with no trouble (this particular nerve could have killed the victim if he had twisted his hand any further).
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#16  Edited By Static Shock
@castleking said:
" ill pick team2  DD being the weak link... and only possible way for BP to win is by affirmative action and his BS vibe suit. other then that they really shouldnt win. -_- "
Excuse me?
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he wasnt a high end MA fighter with peak abilities that surpasses matty. -_-
 
thats like me using batman example and grundy to say he can do that to DS or another similar being.
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Wait, what? How is his peak abilities beyond DD's again?
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@Static Shock said:
" @castleking said:
" ill pick team2  DD being the weak link... and only possible way for BP to win is by affirmative action and his BS vibe suit. other then that they really shouldnt win. -_- "
Excuse me? "
google it.
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@castleking said:
" he wasnt a high end MA fighter with peak abilities that surpasses matty. -_-
 
thats like me using batman example and grundy to say he can do that to DS or another similar being.
"
No, my arguement still applies because I was only using it to show that Matt could still hit nerve points through thicker padding than what Nightwing wears. 
 
And Dick's abilities do not surpass Matt by any stretch. Show me a feat of Nightwing's that isn't absolute PIS and I will match it or top it.
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#21  Edited By Static Shock
@castleking said:
"google it. "
I know what it means. How the hell is it relevant to Black Panther taking the win?
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#22  Edited By castleking
@Ferro Vida said:
" No, my arguement still applies because I was only using it to show that Matt could still hit nerve points through thicker padding than what Nightwing wears.   And Dick's abilities do not surpass Matt by any stretch. Show me a feat of Nightwing's that isn't absolute PIS and I will match it or top it. "
why would u add stipulations on ur evidence? 
 
NW possess mix form of MA that consist of 124 styles taught to him by batman.

 
these styles are complimented and supported by his peak human stats.
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#23  Edited By vuviper
@castleking: Where does it actually state that NW was taught all the styles by batman?
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#24  Edited By Static Shock
@vuviper said:
" @castleking: Where does it actually state that NW was taught all the styles by batman? "
I was thinking the same thing. I wanted to think that it was safe to assume that, but whatever...
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@vuviper said:
" @castleking: Where does it actually state that NW was taught all the styles by batman? "
where did i state that? reread my post.
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#26  Edited By Static Shock
@castleking said:
" where did i state that? reread my post. "
Uhhhh....?
 
@castleking said:

NW possess mix form of MA that consist of 124 styles taught to him by batman.

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#27  Edited By Static Shock

Also, you still haven't answered my question...

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#28  Edited By castleking
batman trained NW, NW mastered  various forms taught to by bats and mixed it.. batman still taught him all his styles he just did not master them but chose certain ones to make his own style. he still knows of all the various other ones.

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@castleking said:

NW possess mix form of MA that consist of 124 styles taught to him by batman.

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#29  Edited By vuviper
@castleking: I mean where was that established in a comic? I don't assume anyone trained by Batman is a master of all martial arts forms. I've read that Night wing has mastered several but I've never seen any evidence that batman taught him over 100.
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@castleking: You're proving my point. O_o
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#31  Edited By castleking
@vuviper said:

" @castleking: I mean where was that established in a comic? I don't assume anyone trained by Batman is a master of all martial arts forms. I've read that Night wing has mastered several but I've never seen any evidence that batman taught him over 100. "

i didnt say he master them all... that was my point when i stated he had his own blend of MA consistent of the art forms taught to him by bats.
 
NW chose to specialize in certain areas and did not master them all but he did masters over a dozen of them to make his own style. that doesnt mean he doesnt know of the others which he does. he just didnt master them or utilize them. no different then what batman has done.
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#32  Edited By Static Shock
@castleking said:
" i didnt say he master them all... that was my point when i stated he had his own blend of MA consistent of the art forms taught to him by bats.
The problem with this is that he's not asking you where it was stated that NIghtwing MASTERED all those styles, but where it's stated that Nightwing was TAUGHT all of those styles. There's a difference.
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@Static Shock said:
" @castleking said:
" i didnt say he master them all... that was my point when i stated he had his own blend of MA consistent of the art forms taught to him by bats.
The problem with this is that he's not asking you where it was stated that NIghtwing MASTERED all those styles, but where it's stated that Nightwing was TAUGHT all of those styles. There's a difference. "
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Not a problem. I didn't think it was that difficult to understand.

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#35  Edited By castleking
DC bio's -_- 
 
various sources state batman taught him in various Art forms and both possess a similar fighting style. i understand that NW didnt master all art forms or knows complete knowledge of them. but batman did teach him the effective attacks of various art forms wether dick mastered them or not.
 
when batman decided to take cassie into his group. he showed her one  CD's and stated the number of styles she would need to learn the number was high before she could work for him. i need to find my comic but i stand by the believe that batman trained Dick in his art style and did not hold nothing back but simply chose to streamline each style. when teaching dick and even robin he has verbally stated the name of the attack and the style.
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#36  Edited By vuviper
@castleking: Yeah if you want I have the scan of him giving her a disc with 127 styles to learn. But just because he taught her them, doesn't mean he taught NW. I don't think he taught them all to Tim or Stephanie. Also the only reason he gave it to Cassie is because she lost her ability to read people and was having trouble fighting as a consequence
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You mean this?
 

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i know batman did not fully train tim and stephanie but dick is a completely different thing. he raised him from a very young age. 
 
batman instead of teaching one individual art form has chosen to teach his style which is a blend of 127 styles a more efficient streamline form of teaching.
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#39  Edited By vuviper
@castleking: But do you have any evidence of this? BTW you just made think of a scan I should find.
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@vuviper said:
" @castleking: But do you have any evidence of this? BTW you just made think of a scan I should find. "
What scan?
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i dont have any of the various scans of batman teaching styles for dick and tim. i really never had a need for him b/c i hate batman.
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#42  Edited By vuviper
@Static Shock said:
" @vuviper said:
" @castleking: But do you have any evidence of this? BTW you just made think of a scan I should find. "
What scan? "
The one where Nightwing is auditioning for Black Mask one guy is like see Crutches knows Kung fu and black mask replies that it looks more like a blend of capoiera and some other Ma's I don't remember.
 
@castleking said:
" i dont have any of the various scans of batman teaching styles for dick and tim. i really never had a need for him b/c i hate batman. "

Well how do you know that he was taught a blend of 127 styles then? Did you read it somewhere? what issue?
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@castleking: I'm not sure what that was supposed to prove...
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#45  Edited By castleking
@vuviper said:
" @castleking: I'm not sure what that was supposed to prove... "
nothing just  batman's teaching method u can go ahead and think he doesnt teach his side kicks all he can especially dick.. which consist of his 100+ fighting styles.
 
i cant see batman not having the time to train a pre teen who has bn with him for over a decade.

 

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#46  Edited By vuviper
@castleking: Because for most people, learning all those styles would take much more than a lifetime, its part of the reason Bruce is a marital arts genius.
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#47  Edited By vuviper
@Static Shock said:
" @vuviper said:
" @castleking: But do you have any evidence of this? BTW you just made think of a scan I should find. "
What scan? "

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Oh just Karate and Capoeira. 
 
Of course this doesn't prove anything, but I just thought of it when we were talking.
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Batman for the win.
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@vuviper said:
" @castleking: Because for most people, learning all those styles would take much more than a lifetime, its part of the reason Bruce is a marital arts genius. "
most ppl arent comic characters. -_-
 
i think u are failing to understand my point here. batman had to travel locate masters and train under them and most of it consistend of proving he was worthy of being taught.
 
Dick lived with bats he didnt have to travel his master was in the cave. not only that but batman made sure that dick could defend himself. batman streamlined his MA knowledge for what is effective and discarded the rest.
 
Dick was also a small child who is more likely to learn far faster then a teen or an adult due to how his mind is not yet develop and is at the prime age for fast learning. dick himself was also very bright for his age. able to solve riddles and crimes that batman was unable he was also gifted.
 
dick also early training in gymnastic allowed for bats to focus on other areas that dick would need to be taught.
 
i stated that Dick was not a master of all 100 plus MA. but i did state his style was comprised of over a 100 style taught to him by batman and that dick did master various art forms to designed to compliment his own style of acrobatics.
 
now Batman does know over a 100 styles and his own style is a blend of all he has learned. so i dont see where i am wrong here. especially when u showed a scan of batman and all his art styles. not hard to believe it is easily accessible for his  team to use and learn from which it is obvious that is what the CD is design and purpose is for.