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(Black Clover) - Lucifero vs Ryuzen Seven
Base Yosuga > Full Power Dark Cloaked Black Warrior Ichika > Base Ichika > Pre-Training PDU Asta ~ Lucius w/100% Lucifero > TDU Asta > 50% Lucifero. With Ichika being Arcane due to Dark Magic so she can kill Lucifero
Connect the dots and you see that Ichika would solo Lucifero, all 7 of them against him is a spite.
I'd like to address this to get some clarification, because i'm not sure if I 100% agree with this. I say this because it's also possible base Lucius scales below 50% Lucifero. We never saw what transpired before Lucius beat 50% Lucifero, only the end result. He could have transformed into his true human/paladin form during the battle, then reverted back to normal after defeating Lucifero.
and then, in the Spade arc Lucifero had access to 50% of his full power, much like how Dante had access 80% the power granted to him. Yet we know Lucifero had to transform to use his full power at 50%. That means his base 50% manifestation could vary anywhere from 1% of his power to 49% Much like how Dante could use 1% to 80% of the power he possessed. Lucifero in base was barely cut by Yami & Nacht combo, while his serious 50% form couldn't be cut. There's also the fact that base 50% Lucifero could easily overpower his own punch that was redirected back at him, twice as powerful via trap magic by Zora % Nero
That means that his serious form scales more than 2x higher than his base 50% form, that could casually double its own power in a non serious state.
That means full 50% Lucifero > Base Lucifero × more than twice his own base power (because he had to overpower his own punch) > Base power so at the minimum we're looking at 2 different stat increases for his 50% Manifestation.
Transformations are a good way to estimate how much power a person is using in battle in the BC verse. Lucius didn't transform during first battle until towards the end, so he fought Asta in base most of the fight. Mind you, before he transformed he sprouted Lucifero's wings before purifying them, so we can’t really say how much of Lucifero's power Lucius used in base, at the minimum he wasn't using Lucifero's full power, because using all of Lucifero's power would cause Lucius to display some form of weg (as we saw right before he purified himself) For all we know, partial devil union Asta could only scale above base Lucifero who was probably using anywhere from 1/10th to 9/10ths of his full power, which would still scale lower than his full 50% form. Especially since when Asta noted him and Liebe were stronger than they were back then, the image of Lucifero that was used was base 50 % manifested Lucifero from the beginning of the fight, not full 50% Lucifero.
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@epsilonr said:
Lucius scales above Lucifero, not just because he defeated him, but also because he ended up absorbing him before fighting Asta. Absorbing something in BC often- no, always means having its power. Lucius even had a power up from it as he stated he could create large scale spells thanks to absorbing him.
Base Lucius being relative to Lucifero is supported by both Fuegoleon and Asta saying his strength is on par with Lucifero.
Right and Fuegoleon and co got wiped out by base Lucifero. Yes Lucius is above 50% Lucifero, but i'm saying what percentage of Lucifero power was Lucius actively using during the Asta fight? I'm aware he absorbed all of Lucifero's power, but what I'm asking is how much of that power can we confirm he actually used?
Because we already saw that there is a stat difference between final form 50% Lucifero, and base form 50% Lucifero since Yami could barely harm one form, and do absolutely no damage to the other. The lack of Lucius's weg during the battle suggest Lucius was not drawing out that much power.
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Both forms have access to 50% of Lucifero's power, but both forms use different levels of said power since Lucifero told them he would now fight them with all of the power he currently possesses, and then proceeds to transform. From what I recall, the only indication of substantial amount of Lucifero's power being used, was when Lucius actually transformed into his paladin form. Dante for example didn't start displaying any devilish features/weg until he used 50% of his power. Before Lucius purified his devil form, he sprouted Lucifero's wings, those wings should be an indicator that a substantial amount of Lucifero's power is being accessed, which is what has been consistent with every other devil host or devil power user. Lucius had to transform to access more power, which would mean that in his base form he is actually using less power since the scaling goes Paladin Lucius > Devil Lucius > Base Lucius.That giant chronostasis spell could have easily been created with only a small fraction of Lucifero's magical power, given that we have already seen Julius create large chronostasis spells (like when he briefly fought the ancient demon)
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