Black Clover: Lucifero vs Julius, Licht and Lumiere

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Poll Black Clover: Lucifero vs Julius, Licht and Lumiere (37 votes)

Lucifero dismantles the trio 68%
Trio takes him out together but loses 1v1 8%
Any of the trio solos 3%
Julius solos 22%
Licht solos 0%
Lumiere solos 0%

Demon King Lucifero

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Julius Novachrono

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Licht

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Lumiere Silvamillion Clover

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Team gets 1 week of prep

Team has full knowledge

Peak Versions

Licht has his swords

Win by any means

Fight starts 20 meters away

Both sides are bloodlusted

Who wins?

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.......???? how are these guys who aren't capable of beating zagred supposed to fight lucifero?

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@lorian: Zagred literally admitted that Nerfed Lumiere and Licht were to fast for him

Also Julius never fought zagred

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#4  Edited By Lorian
@vex_haid said:

@lorian: Zagred literally admitted that Nerfed Lumiere and Licht were to fast for him

Also Julius never fought zagred

Julius fought Patli, that's even worse, being too fast for zagred doesn't mean they can beat him.

Back to Lucifero.. Lucifero's skin is harder than Yuno's sword that can cut a devil's heart and devil's heart is unharmed by spatial magic that erases everything, so they won't harm him. + there comes the gravity magic, i don't see why the team doesn't just become part of the floor on first picosecond of the fight.

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#5  Edited By vex_haid

@lorian: Julius was playing around with Patri, Mereoleona someone who is weaker then Julius ragdolled Rhya who is stronger then Patri, Even Yami was on par with patri pre timeskip

They were beating zagred but they couldn't bypass his devil heart (Licht could have if he used his brain), Asleep Licht with no grimoire and 1 sword was compared to zagred

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Im not saying that Lucifero loses, Im just saying that the trio is far above the likes of zagred

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#6  Edited By Wk_Decaff

Lucifero stomps

Lumiere and Litch are not above Zagred, Litch had to use the combined power of like 10 elfs plus Yuno and that couldn't kill Zagred.

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@wk_decaff: Just because you couldn't kill someone doesnt makes u weaker then them, Otherwise thats like saying that Mereoleona is weaker then low rank devils because she cant kill them

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@vex_haid: Zagred Literally chopped Lumieres arm off and he needed to be saved by Nero.

There's no world where either Lumiere or Litch can match Zagred.

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@wk_decaff: Lumiere did the same thing, His light sword went straight threw zagreds body but zagred was saved thanks to his regen

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Also Zagred cut lumieres hand off with a trident which are sharp, Meaning that Lumieres piercing durability is crap

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@vex_haid:

1.) Lumiere's attack did nothing and is incapable of doing anything so that's not relevant.

2.) Zagreds Spear breaks down everything it touchs it doesn't matter what your durability is.

3.) Lucifero is dozens of times faster and stronger than Zagred and they struggled with Zagred. This isn't close.

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@wk_decaff:

1) Lumieres attack pierced threw zagreds body...

2) So Zagred cut lumieres arm with durability Ignoring hax? That just proves even more that Zagred cant hurt Lumiere or Licht without his hax

3) And? Im not arguing that Lucifero loses, I am saying that Lumiere, Licht and Julius are far above the likes of Zagred

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#12  Edited By Wk_Decaff

@vex_haid:

And it did nothing lmao, Zagred knows he can't be killed by Lumiere which is why he didn't even try to stop him.

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@wk_decaff:

Exactly, Lumiere cant kill zagred, Where did i say he can? I just said that Lumiere is stronger then him and Zagred was saved by his DH

If Zagred wasn't immortal, then the sword would have killed him just like how patri killed julius

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#16  Edited By vex_haid

@wk_decaff: Zagred admitted that Lumiere was faster then him and if Zagred wasn't immortal then the sword would have straight up killed him like how patry killed Julius

Zagred never hurt Lumiere without using his hax

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#17  Edited By Wk_Decaff

@vex_haid: No he didn't, not once did he say Lumiere was faster than him lmao.

Patri never fought Lucifero or killed him???

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#18  Edited By vex_haid

@wk_decaff: Meant to say that Patry killed Julius

as for the debate, ill just make a thread about it (dont wanna derail this more)

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Lucifero ragdolls them in his first form.

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Lucifero is like the strongest and fastest guy in the BC verse right? I dont think he's capable of losing to some fodders

Lucifero low diff

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Lucifero slaughters.

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Luci already bodied characters that are on the same level, if not above the trio in this matchup. The outcome is obvious if you ask me

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Luci will literally no dif these guys in his not serious form. Literally grab them and slam them and proceed to stomp them out like he did Asta(who in that form, is leagues above the trio)

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Lucifero no diffs based on Showing so far, Though i won't be surprised if Julius comes back and solos him or characters stronger then him in the future arcs.

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Julius could probably solo soon.

It looks like he is gonna absorb or eat Lucifero's heart.

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how the tables have turned!

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Julius is most likely going to solo this entire team in the near future.

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#32  Edited By Kade17

@akira21: You mean Lucius? Lol. But that depends on what they intend on using Lucifero's heart for.

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#33  Edited By Akira21

@kade17: Yes and true it’s honestly best to rather wait than jump to conclusion.

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Damn, didn't see this coming. Next chapter changes a lot of things. Julius/Lucius will be soloing this if he gains Lucifero's power.

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@ones_and_twos: Well you are gonna need to wait 3 months since sadly Black Clover is going on hiatus (that's what i heard and i searched it up).

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@michigane120: Yeah, that is fine, I actually can't wait for Black Clover to end. I wonder what Tabata is going to make next, I really liked his previous work - Hungry Joker, there were some crazy broken characters there.

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@ones_and_twos: I could imagine him doing a sequel series to BC like a couple yrs after, since that’s what’s popular now

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This will prolly change in the future, but as of now still Luci buci

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Welp, we know licht IS stronger than lumiere, for the entire series we didn't even see (excluding his devilized form as he's not in contorl at that time) him at full power, he's got all handicaps,

And after he learned that he cannot totally kill zgred (where zgred's heart's completely fine) lumiere and licht focused on supporting asta amd the others

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@ones_and_twos: and what after the others gains devil powers?? Or company??

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@michigane120: welp, if even licht and lumiere hadn't got tragedy during their YOUTH

They would even be stronger than their scened prowess

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And so, as for my vote

I choosed lucifero

For the current happening until BLACK CLOVER chapter 330*

Reminder:

• i didn't include my personal idea/ not being BS

• I ONLY used the authors info/ what we read

• just like my firsr reminder, i didn't use some-like their POTENTIAL PROWESS

• and just like how big of handicapped LICHT has showed, i didn't include that for debating/voting

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#43  Edited By Namebk

Don't see how they would beat Dante or Zenon let alone Luci.

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#44  Edited By KuroMon

@namebk: yeah, but no..it's still unknown with/what's licht's full power,,,

AAAAND, you say he couldn't beat DANTE or ZENON, if with devil accompany then MAYBE yes(but remember what i said with his unknown prowess), if pure individual feats, he could might slap them

And it's still unknown if he have more sword magic that can even counter gravity magic

....it's just like me saying that if the story end and asta has grown sooo strong and might be the strongest in the end of the series, if they fought at that time, asta and licht(without even having grimoire) he could even be able to have decent fight, he doesn't need magic as he knows asta have anti-magic, then it's physical and endurance fight, plus he have immense mana which could supplement his fight to recover stamina, so he could/might be able to close call beat asta(in my BS idea end story)

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@kuromon: Didn't Licht use his full power against Zagred or?

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@namebk said:

Don't see how they would beat Dante or Zenon let alone Luci.

Come on now, of course they get stomped by Lucifero but they can beat Dante or Zenon (In a 3v1).

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@michigane120: idk how you understood the level system, listen not having grimoire is a big handicap as it can lessen their arsenal,

In games like mobas/ dota2,lol,etc

It's like hving your character not use skills and only use basic attk

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@michigane120: yeah, that's what i'm saying, even 1v1 dante and licht might be unexpected

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Come on now, of course they get stomped by Lucifero but they can beat Dante or Zenon (In a 3v1).

No they don't. They have no counters for Dante's gravity or Zenon's spatial hax.

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@namebk: Julius should be on par with Lucius who is most likely gonna be stronger then either Dante or Zenon.

Can't Licht just absorb Zenons spatial hax?