5 Admirals are crazy they takes it more often than not 11%
One thing is certain, Marineford is screwed 9%
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Prime Roger, Prime Garp and Prime Whitebeard wreak havoc in Marineford because Akainu has sadistically, mercilessly killed Luffy and Ace, he punches a magma fist through their body instantly killed them, so trio is full BLOOD-LUSTED af.
This should be a borderline stomp but at most mid diff for the old generation. Especially since they are bloodlusted. Honestly just from beating the rocks pirates themselves I'd say Roger and Gary can likely do this themselves
Aramaki gets folded by the aftershock of any of their haki clashes making this essentially a 4v3 and issho doesn't belong in this fight at the moment since his feats aren't that good. None of the other 3 admirals could even stand up to one of them and would get tossed around.
Old Whitebeard being eaten alive by aids & cancer was able to beat down the toughest current admiral. In his prime he shitstomps. And based on statements, Roger can probably clap all of their cheeks with his haki alone.
Old Whitebeard with one foot in the grave was close in power to Akainu and even temporarily buried the guy. Prime Whitebeard would beat him and i wouldn't rule out Primebeard ragdolling Akainu like he did Oden
I agree yall are delusional if you think Roger, Whitebeard, Garp are low diffing 5 Admirals. Akainu by hype could fight any one of them by himself and probably win aswell (End One Piece in a year of serialization [find One Piece], made the Navy the strongest it's ever been, highest offensive power devil fruit, punk hazard, etc Akainu portrayal is insane). So Akainu has the portrayal of being on the level if not greater than Roger/Garp as he has "End One Piece in a year/Made the Navy the Strongest it's ever been" which would put him on and above Roger/Garp. And before everyone continues to say "old Whitebeard rekt Red Dog" or whatever I'll remind you every attack which landed was instantly fatal and if Akainu left Whitebeard would've died from his wounds, second Akainu took suprise attack from a bloodlusted Whitebeard and was even BFR'd into a ravine (for not even a chapter's worth of time) and was so fine in fact afterwards that he went on to walk through the entirety of Whitebeards crew and more like Crocodike and Jimbei, Ivankov, etc.
And guess what Aokiji matched that Akainu so he benefits from like everything Akainu did as evident by the Punk Hazerd dual.
Then Kizaru wanted to go fight Kaido/Big Mom of which Kaido is said to quite literally be the strongest creature (therefore stronger than Whitebeard, and like every other thing out there). And Roger, Garp, Whitebeard have like nothing to stop Kizaru from jumping into the sky and bombarding the opposition.
Fujitora also can give all the admirals the ability to fly together by him lifting up any landmass (or mass of Ice/Magma) which they want. Fujitora can also spam Meteors like no tomorrow though Whitebeard could shatter most of them that still doesn't stop the fact that the rubble would be pulled down by Fujitora's gravity and hit them anyways not to mention Fujitora would scale to/above Kid's attraction feats and should also be able to hinder any of the three. Fujitora also scales above a holding back Greenbull who can no diff King/Queen and a Yamato.
Greenbull not only can fly, has an oneshot with his drain but also has massive aoe, and range where he could just let his vines attack for him... which his vines can even restrain a Dragon Form Momo whosblike a carbon copy of Kaido in dragon form and Yamato who can combat Kaido. And Greenbull's feat he did while not going for the kill and was holding back.
TLDR: Akainu and Aokiji take on Roger and Garp then Fujitora and Kizaru take on Whitebeard and Greenbull supports both since his wide range plants can attack multiple targets and can even damage King who has arguably better than Kaido's durability. After the two Admirals finish off Whitebeard they move to finish off Akainu/Aokiji's fights with Greenbull's support all along the way.
I am so sick of the admiral wankers on here. They are basically taking a 50/50 gamble. Nobody truly knows how they would fair 1v1 against a yonko tier or even pirate king tier opponent and yet, they are so confident as if they know something we don't. Feats against WB at MF have major caveats. He was already in poor health, he was stabbed through the chest before he jumped off the MD. He barely used haki allowing fodder and cannonballs to harm him.
None of the admirals have confirmed advanced haki coating.
Kaido did not mention that any (modern day) admiral was capable of fighting him.
GB ran away from Shanks.
Garp mentioned that he would kill Sakazuki if Sengoku did not hold him back.
The navy was afraid of powerful samuari in Wano. (Oden was the greatest of them all).
Fuji and GB failed against Sabo's team.
None of the navy have any of the "most powerful___" epithets. Man, Creature, swordsman.
Kizaru was held back by Rayleigh out of prime.
I understand that is possible that an admiral could possibly fight a yonko but at this point its unknown whether they are stronger than Lucci or Yamato.
@enemybird: The Admirals are very obviously being lowballed because of Comic Vine hype. Not wanked lol. On literally any other website besides a random community poll on YouTube. No one would make an absurd claim that The Admirals are getting low-mid diffed.
Big Three mid diff at worst. Nothing so far really implies the Admirals would even have it easy against the likes of Kaido, Big Mom or Shanks, quite the contrary in fact.
Old Whitebeard had absolutely no chance whatsoever against any Admiral. NONE. Akainu one shot him. Kizaru was trolling him. And Aokiji found the thought of Whitebeard killing him to be ridiculous. Which you can tell by the way he said "No...." Throughout the entirety of Marineford. Old and Sick Whitebeard did not land a single hit on ANY Admiral while they were on guard. And Akainu at Marineford levels. Stopped one of Whitebeard's stronger attacks with one leg and no visible strain. We don't know how well Yonko like Big Mom and Kaido would have even done against him. But we have actual feats and scaling for many of the Admirals here.
Akainu one shots Whitebeard twice in the same fight. The first time was he punched him in the chest and blew up his insides. Old Whitebeard would not have survived that even if he had escaped the war. The second time Akainu one shot him. Was before Whitebeard could land the sneak attack on him. He responded to this attack by vaporizing over 60% of Whitebeard's brain matter. Again there is no conceivable way Whitebeard would have survived this attack. Especially in that state. Akainu then proceeds to tank a bloodlusted attack from Whitebeard. A man with the most 2nd Most Powerful Offensive Devilfruit in the series. Who was attempting to kill Akainu yet failed to even knock him out. Akainu even at Marineford levels. Needed to be temporarily BFR'd just so Blackbeard could get Whitebeard's Devilfruit. I should remind you that Kaido's and Big Mom's offensive capabilities. Are still WORSE than Whitebeard's by Oda's own admission. And Akainu's offensive capabilities with his Devilfruit are number one. To this I will never understand why Marineford Whitebeard gets so much hype. He snuck Akainu with the 2nd Most Powerful Fruit in the series yet still failed to kill him.
Mortein must be stuck in 2009 if he still thinks all Yonko are stronger than all Admirals. Personally I can't see Big Mom beating Kizaru one on one. Not for a majority at least. But she sure as hell isn't beating Marineford Akainu or Aokiji. She's not beating Mihawk who would probably lose to Akainu one on one imo. Also Oda stated that if Akainu was searching for the One Piece. He would have found it just as quickly as the Pirate King. Admirals and Yonko are more or less equals.
Akainu as Fleet Admiral. Is an extreme difficulty for Roger, Garp, or Whitebeard regardless of who wins. Aokiji should still be a high difficulty for Akainu now. Kizaru has likely gotten a bit stronger since the Timeskip. As Akainu got stronger too and he'd need to scale up a bit to Aokiji. We don't know how strong Fujitora is. But I'm pretty sure a fight between him and Kizaru is like High to Extreme Difficulty. We don't really know where Green Bull is at either. And while it is safe to assume he's the weakest one here. As an Admiral he should by no means be a pushover. Even after getting hit with the Haki Lightning from Shanks. Which so many people overhyped. Aramaki still wasn't afraid to fight Shanks. He just could not fight him yet. Either way Green Bull is only Admiral here. That could arguably be Mid Diffed. Due to lack of scaling. But only he if he fought them alone. While fighting alongside 3 other Admirals and a Fleet Admiral. He will be the furthest thing from a Mid Difficulty threat.
@mee09: Speed, durability or Haki wasn't Marineford WB's best aspect, and he still could deal significant damage to Akainu when he actually got serious. Keep in mind this is without any ACoC amp, he was having a heart attack just trying to use the normal Conqueror's, and went on to fight BB's entire crew even after taking Akainu's attacks without any sort of haki defenses whatsoever, that is insane.
MF shows us the raw output of a Yonko way past their prime and practically on external life support is still >= the strongest Admiral. So in all likelihood a prime Yonko such as Kaido, Big Mom, Shanks, Roger or Primebeard himself amping their attacks with ACoC on top is >> Admirals. On the flip side the Admirals themselves don't have ACoC as far as we know yet which is a key requirement to even damage people like Kaido.
At this point Admirals just have way too many instances of getting somewhat matched by First Mate tiers and not enough hype statements or implications to say otherwise. As someone pointed out, we got an old rusty Rayleigh who hadn't picked up a sword in decades evenly matching Kizaru, Sabo and the other Revolutionary Commanders pushing Fujitora and Green Bull to hard diff, Marco's performance against all 3 Admirals during the War, etc. And I suspect this is about to get reinforced again once Kizaru turns up on Egghead and clashes with the likes of Zoro or Sanji.
Its like they think all the Admirals are current speculative but lowballed Ryokugyu level.
Akainu on his own is EASILY capable of winning whatever one on one fight he is in 60/40. It will be Extreme Difficulty regardless of who wins. AOKIJI is in NO WAY getting Mid Diffed by these 3 in a one on one. He can't push them to Extreme Diff but Mid Diff is truly ridiculous. Aokiji is not however weak you think Green Bull is. Sengoku wanted to make him Fleet Admiral. I doubt that Aokiji is Mid Diffing Kizaru or a Fujitora that isn't being forced to hold back as well.
@shirso: Lol no it doesn't. Oda outright contradicts this statement himself in multiple ways.
Whitebeard and Akainu still have far greater attack power than Kaido and Big Mom. Kaido who was hyping up Haki. Still lost primarily because of the offensive and defensive capabilities of a superior Devilfruit. All while having HIS LITERAL MOST POWERFUL ATTACK and TRANSFORMATION. Being Devilfruit dominant. Even his physicals are heavily amped and influenced by his Devilfruit. We also don't know what level of Haki the Admirals actually have yet. But Haki isn't everything and highly doubt when you compare it to the Top Tier Admirals that the difference is that great. There are also some Admirals here that have Haki in better areas than at least one or two of the big three.
The One Piece debating community has been talking about this for a very long time now. Kaido is both right and wrong at the same time. Which makes sense because he is not omniscient. And he was the villain. So a lot of the stuff that he says. Will be proven wrong in some respect. And he won't acknowledge his own contradictions.
Marineford WB outright matched Akainu's attacks and that is without ACoC which is an insane amp. So the big 3 here in their prime with ACoC would hit way harder than Akainu. The only point of comparison we have for Akainu against a Yonko in their prime is getting casually blocked by Shanks.
One of the canon novels confirm Kaido had greater combat strength than Marineford WB. Without ACoC G5 Luffy wouldn't even have been able to touch Flaming Dragon without getting melted, so Kaido lost to both G5 and ACoC.
We can't just give the Admirals ACoC until they show feats...
@shirso: Lol Marineford Whitebeard did the furthest thing from outmatching Akainu's attacks. All of Akainu's attacks where kill shots. Whitebeard failed to even knock Akainu out while trying to kill him. Akainu straight up stopped a Naginata boosted Devilfruit attack with one leg and no strain.
Shanks stopping one attack. That wasnt even meant for him. Does not mean the fight even at Marineford levels. Is going to be Mid Diff.
@shirso: Kaido being able to beat Whitebeard at Marineford levels does not mean his Devilfruit is offensively superior. He may have been able to use more haki. But that in no way puts his attack power over Akainu and Whitebeard's. Especially when his strongest attacks are due to his Devilfruit Abilties.
@shirso: Lol Marineford Whitebeard did the furthest thing from outmatching Akainu's attacks. All of Akainu's attacks where kill shots. Whitebeard failed to even knock Akainu out while trying to kill him.
WB's quake punches and Akainu's magma punches matched each other on panel. WB never used even basic hardening CoA for defense and even his natural durability would be way past his prime so that's a moot point. Even then Akainu was actually out for a bit (wasn't seen at all for 2 chapters I think) after taking like 3 hits from an actually serious WB, while WB even with a hole in his stomach and half his face melted off went on to fight BB's entire crew right after. If it was Primebeard who can use ACoC for defense as well as offense Akainu would have just gotten bodied by feats.
@shirso: This literally does not matter. Because Whitebeard's attacks are >>> All of Kaido's by Oda's own admission. With Akainu's being even more powerful. If Kaido's actual STRONGEST and MOST POWERFUL attacks/transformations were not Devilfruit abilties. And Luffy did not straight up beat Kaido because he had the superior Devilfruit. Which Kaido's Haki could do essentially nothing about and all the significant damage he inflicted on Luffy. Was via Devilfruit attacks. Only then would you actually be correct.
Old Whitebeard had absolutely no chance whatsoever against any Admiral. NONE. Akainu one shot him.
But this ain't true. First of all, Whitebeard's strength during Marineford was still highly praised by Sengoku himself, noting that he has the capability of killing them all. Even the narrative itself disagrees with you that Whitebeard "didn't stand a chance" It is Whitebeard's very power that made him so threatening in the war.
Akainu also did not one shot Whitebeard. Really now? I assume your only example of this would be because Akainu can pierce through Whitebeard but that's not impressive. Everyone could injure Whitebeard, Akainu, someone with the highest rated offensive devil fruit is not going to struggle in that regard, but the most damning thing about that is Akainu failed to actually one shot Whitebeard. Sengoku notes how absurd Whitebeard having his face blown off by Akainu to still have that much power showcasing even Akainu's attacks were still not enough to derail Whitebeard's top tier status. He still had enough strength to pose a threat.
Old and Sick Whitebeard did not land a single hit on ANY Admiral while they were on guard. And Akainu at Marineford levels. Stopped one of Whitebeard's stronger attacks with one leg and no visible strain.
Akainu's hits on Whitebeard are as illegitimate as Whitebeard's hits on him. Aokiji legit never ever landed an attack on Whitebeard. Kizaru is the only Admiral that actually landed an attack in direct confrontation, no tricks at all, bar Whitebeard being in a significantly damaged state. You're also overrating Akainu when Whitebeard's feats are just as impressive, like him tossing Akainu's attack away with ease or casually blowing out his Magma meteors. Standing no chance now? Really? These aren't the feats of someone who stands no chance.
Old Whitebeard would not have survived that even if he had escaped the war.
This doesn't matter, because he was never planning on leaving.
I should remind you that Kaido's and Big Mom's offensive capabilities. Are still WORSE than Whitebeard's by Oda's own admission.
Uhhh, what? Marineford Whitebeard's offensive capabilities don't outshine Big Mom nor Kaido. Oda has never once implied such a thing.
To this I will never understand why Marineford Whitebeard gets so much hype. He snuck Akainu with the 2nd Most Powerful Fruit in the series yet still failed to kill him.
Akainu failed to killed Whitebeaard in the direct confrontations he had, still having the raw power to legit damn-near render him unconscious. This isn't Akainu Piece bud, Akainu didn't single handily kill Whitebeard, he didn't single handily beat Whitebeard. Above all else, we're talking about a sneak attack, but then people want to mention Akainu taking Whitebeard's face while doing it, so then what I like to do is use their argument, by mentioning the fact Akainu could endure the off guard attack enough to position himself to take off Whitebeard's face and yet still ultimately get downed while he's well aware of Whitebeard. The whole sequence is here:
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There's actually no excuse you can give Akainu here. Whitebeard was off guarded and ended up in a far worst condition, and yet Akainu is absolutely washed in close confrontation. It is absolutely absurd to side with Akainu in this fight. Losing to Old Whitebeard like that is not going to benefit to your scaling with top dogs like Big Mom or Kaido because I can assure you, that would never happen to Kaido or Big Mom.
Personally I can't see Big Mom beating Kizaru one on one. Not for a majority at least. But she sure as hell isn't beating Marineford Akainu or Aokiji.
She is absolutely beating every Admiral. Kizaru beating Big Mom is also absurd. He doesn't even have anything close to actually compare to her. Big Mom has fought on par with Kaido for days while not even in possession of her homies and after suffering memory lost. That warrants scaling comparable if not greater than the top Admirals like Akainu.
Either way Green Bull is only Admiral here. That could arguably be Mid Diffed. Due to lack of scaling.
Even though I don't need to comment on this, I will anyway. Fujitora is the one who lacks scaling, and has every reason to be the weakest Admiral. I'm not sure why Greenbull is treated as the bottom of the barrel for Admirals but on paper, Fujitora is the weakest Admiral. Greenbull has better scaling, better hype, better statements for now.
@pics: ALL of the attacks that Akainu hit Whitebeard with are not as equally illegitimate. He literally landed one of them in response to a sneak attack. And his attack not only landed first. But it was also a kill shot. Even IF Whitebeard had managed to knock Akainu out with the sneak attack. Akainu would have been the one who SURVIVED the fight. Whitebeard was dead no matter how you look at it. But he still failed to do even that. It doesn't get anymore legitimate than this. You are in complete and utter denial if you think Akainu "lost" to Whitebeard. When everyone in the fan base knows that Akainu was briefly BFR'd so Blackbeard could actually steal his fruit. If Akainu hadn't been taken out of the fight for just a moment. Then Blackbeard wouldn't have Whitebeard's fruit right now.
The damage that Whitebeard did to Akainu is significant. Lol of course it is. Whitebeard was bloodlusted and has 2nd strongest offensive Devilfruit in the series. NO ONE in the entire series as of now. Could have taken that attack the way that Akainu did and not receive similar damage. It's ridiculous to think that if he hit Kaido and Big Mom with that same attack. They would have received significantly less damage. Especially after what we've seen Luffy, Kid, Law, and Zoro to do them with their attacks. Zoro scarred Hybrid Kaido with nearly every bone in his body broken. Imagine what he could have done if he had landed that while fresh? And his attack power is TIERS below Akainu's. Even Killer and the Scabbards were able to do some kind of damage to Kaido even if it was only a little. Lol Kaido is not made of Adamantium.
Fujitora is 100% arguably better than Green Bull. He is more experienced, more skilled, has better Haki (He is a Swordsman and his Observation Haki being better isn't even debatable), and most people would argue that his Devilfruit is more powerful. While we haven't seen the full extent of Green Bull's abilities. Fujitora as of right now has a lot more undeniable advantages.
ALL of the attacks that Akainu hit Whitebeard with are not as equally illegitimate. He literally one of them in response to a sneak attack. And his attack not only landed first. But it was also a kill shot. Even IF Whitebeard had managed to knock Akainu out with the sneak attack. Akainu would have been the one who SURVIVED the fight. Whitebeard was dead no matter how you look at it. But he still failed to do even that. It doesn't get anymore legitimate than this. You are in complete and utter denial if you think Akainu "lost" to Whitebeard. When everyone in the fan base knows that Akainu was briefly BFR'd so Blackbeard could actually steal his fruit.
Akainu surviving the fight is circumstantial. Whitebeard for one was in a terrible condition, automatically selling his death. Two, Akainu was merely saved after having an Island split through him. Did you forget the ground shattering beneath is what separated Akainu from Whitebeard? Akainu waas staggered and incapable of getting back up from the force of Whitebeard's blows and there's no other answer unless you legitimately think an Admiral had enough strength to get back up and failed because of falling rubble.
Akainu also lost to Whitebeard. What in the world? You have to be in denial to actually think Akainu won. If you get sent into a manmade cavern incapable of finishing the fight, that is a loss. I'm also not sure what you're even implying with the Blackbeard part, but don't try and fabricate some skewed argument from that obvious absurd narrative. The arrival of Blackbeard is only meant to cause tension, now a new threat arising, and then followed by Akainu who's pursuit was to get Strawhat. The fact Akainu wasn't even worried about Blackbeard showcases it offers zero relevancy to the very bad argument you're trying to push.
NO ONE in the entire series as of now. Could have taken that attack the way that Akainu did and not receive similar damage.
Oh no, there are characters most definitely doing that. Blackbeard basically did it, Luffy did it from superior opponents. If we're counting characters in unknown positions as far as whether they're alive, Kaido and Big mom most definitely does it.
It's ridiculous to think that if he hit Kaido and Big Mom with that same attack. They would have received significantly less damage.
This is a ridiculous comment to make. Kaido and Big Mom are ridiculously more durable than Akainu, for one and they would receive less damage. You really are reading Akainu Piece, because no actually views the power scaling in the series like this, especially with figures like Big Mom and Kaido, hailed for their insane durability. You stray away from common sense and don't realize it.
Especially after we've seen Luffy, Kid, and Law to do them with their attacks. Even Killer and the Scabbards were able to do some kind of damage to Kaido even if it was only a little. Lol Kaido is not made of Adamantium.
Huh? Attacks that bypass their external durability hurting them means absolutely nothing. Every character is getting hurt from that, some far less than what Kaido and Big Mom would. Luffy called his previous attacks too shallow anyway as did Kaido to the Scabbards. Again, you truly don't have a sense of reality here, because your reasoning is faulty in itself
Fujitora is 100% arguably better than Green Bull. He is more experienced, more skilled, has better Haki (He is a Swordsman and his Observation Haki being better isn't even debatable), and most people would argue that his Devilfruit is more powerful. While we haven't seen the full extent of Green Bull's abilities. Fujitora as of right now has a lot more undeniable advantages.
Yeah, nah. Fujitora Haki, which is Observation Haki doesn't suddenly give any leverage. More experienced is assumed from what exactly? Greenbull arguably has a Black Blade and seems too wield a sword himself from pure visuals, but I don't need to argue Greenbull that way. Devil fruit and Physical showings side by side favor Greenbull. The fact Greenbull has regenerative capabilities that come back from Boro Breath's automatically seals the deal in Fujitora's ability to deal with the it in the way he uses his devil fruit. We've seen multiple times as far as Gravity, logia's and certain paramecia's can resist its influence. Dressrosa Luffy withstanding Fujitora's gravity attack who is legit exhausted from how much force he put into it. Luffy being rubber simply suffered zero damage. Against a logia? Not even remotely phased. So no, Fujiitora devil fruit actually isn't advantageous at all, its actually quite ineffective.
From Greenbull's durability to withstand bloodlusted Conquerors shots from Yamato, and restrain Momonosuke with a physically strong devil fruit that even CP0 are fearful of, Greenbull simply has the superiority in physical and durability showings. Solidifying this even more, its the fact Akainu believed Greenbull could kick Fujitora out, but Greenbull perceiving Fujitora as a friend he simply declines that thought
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Fujitora doesn't actually have anything solid to beat Greenbull and I think it needs to be treated as he does beyond just baseless speculative power levels.
@pics: Green Bull's likely superior Endurance and Durability to Fujitora's. Is not enough to make up for all of the disadvantages he has in a fight against Fujitora right now. And tbh you are the only person on 8 different debating platforms that I've seen. Who is unironically scaling Green Bull ABOVE Fujitora. Not even just equal to him which is still reasonable despite the advantages. Because we don't know all he can do yet.
You have typed out all that nonsense while disregarding that there are PLENTY of characters with attack power that is inferior to Whitebeard and Akainu's. Even at Marineford levels. Who could have inflicted the exact same level of damage on characters like Hybrid Kaido if not more. There is no credible person on this Earth. That will tell you Zoro as he is right now. Has higher attack power than Whitebeard and Akainu. Even the greatest of Zorotards that I have met. Would laugh at a comment like this.
It's not Akainu wank. I'm actually acknowledging what we have seen in the series both past and present. While you are completely disregarding it and hoping that anyone discuss this with hasn't actually read the manga. You are actively lowballing both Akainu and Whitebeard's attack power while also ignoring author statements. Then pretending that one Admiral doesn't have any notable enough advantages to over come Green Bull's arguable two.
You lost the Greenbull vs Fujitora debate bro. There’s actually no real rebuttal you gave as I explained Fujitora has no advantage granting him a win. Like I said, Fujitora is only above Greenbull by baseless speculative power levels.
@pics: Lol saying "you lost the debate" while not even acknowledging how wrong you are. Doesn't make you right. There is no one else on this Earth worth their salt. That will unironically agree with Green Bull beating Fujitora for a majority. Not with what we have seen thus far. It is complete nonsense that you can't even argue without looking disingenuous.
Saying MF Whitebeard is cope. Doesn't change the actual events that took place and what Oda's thoughts on these events were.
Mee. You’re appealing to a consensus that basis their logic on Fujitora stronger than Greenbull because of a baseless speculative power level. As I showed you, there’s no advantage Fujitora has that warrants his standing above Fujitora. Simple as that, I proved you wrong by citing canon events, you went onto to just repeat yourself. What does that tell me? It’s your mechanism to refuse you lost.
And yea, MF WB arguments are cope because Oda has never once said the things you keep on repeating (I already said this btw). In fact Oda has said the exact opposite of Marineford Whitebeard. Though, I know you actually have no credibility because you legit thought “Whitebeard didn’t stand a chance against Admirals” despite the literal manga telling us otherwise? Like, what. Why should I take you seriously at all.
Classic Mee though, when his arguments are dismantled, his only little comfort zone is to appeal to public viewpoints. Might as well tell me flat earth-er’s are reasonable because a vast majority believed it.
Is that I have acknowledged all possibilities and statements regarding the discussion.
While you have ignored and contradicted everything's that disproves whatever irrationalization that you try to come up with. Ignorance does not equate to fact. Whitebeard didn't stand a chance. He was definitely much stronger than Marineford Whitebeard lowballers (like yourself) made him out to be. But with what we saw he was absolutely destroyed. There is no evidence to suggest Fujitora has any significant advantages over Green Bull? Even matchup dependant ones? Lol. There are many people not to take seriously. But somehow it now arguable to take you less seriously than the guys who go into discussions like this without having any actual knowledge of the series. Or it's current events. Because at least they are going in without a bias.
Big Three. I don’t subscribe to the “all top tiers go extreme diff” idea that some people have. Nothing, absolutely nothing about anything implies that if Greenbull and the Pirate King were present in the same environment that he would make it home that day.
The best I can say is that Akainu, as the Fleet Admiral, should be Yonko level now, but everybody he’s facing would beat any Yonko. If Whitebeard laced his weapon in Haki and Akainu tried to kick it, we’d see a classic East Blue Luffy moment for how comical that would be.
You cant still possibly believe you stand as right after getting all of your arguments countered, Mee. While then being misinformed by Oda’s intentions.
It’s simply being ignorant at this point. MF WB stands a chance against the admirals as I proved.
Akainu did not appear as strong as you think he did against WB as I proved.
Fujitora has no reason to be above Greenbull as I proved. Are we done here, or are you gonna continue rambling because you can’t counter the following? Not going to play this childish back and forth.
@cocacolaman: Obviously Akainu is not stopping the attack from Prime Whitebeard (at least I don't think he is) like he did at Marineford. But he's still more than capable of defending himself from it or canceling it out with his own power.
Nobody is saying every Admiral is going to be an Extreme Difficulty fight. But Aokiji is not getting Mid Diffed. And he isn't Mid Diffing Fujitora. Kizaru should be pretty close to Aokiji. Because you've got one guy who is strong enough to fight all of the 3 one on one. And another guy who is at least strong enough to push the three to High Diff one on one. It's a much closer fighter than the people who are arguing for the Big Three to win might think. It's not a 3v3. It's a 3v5. To be honest if Sengoku was here the fight would be much closer to Mid Diff.
The scaling is being messed up here by people who dont follow the manga. And guys that are lowballing and overhyping other characters. You've got one guy here who thinks Zoro has higher attack power than both Akainu and Whitebeard. Yet also thinks Green Bull is beating Fujitora for a majority. I don't even want to think about the mindset you'd need to have to scale the fight and characters like that. I've never seen it on the 8 platforms I've recently been debating One Piece on.
The Admirals aren't much stronger than Yonko Commanders. We saw how Luffy took out two of them and then later got one-shotted by Kaido. We saw how Zoro could defeat King after pushing himself to a new level but even before that he got his shit kicked in by Kaido.
You may argue that Greenbull took out King & Queen, however we immediately see him struggle against Momo, the Scabbards and Yamato (who wasn't trying). That's a big anti-feat there. Dog & Cat of the Scabbards took out Jack and if they fought against King or Queen they would manage to win that.
However, none of them have the one-shot potential of Kaido. He took out all the Scabbards after LETTING them hit him with their strongest attacks. He always could've one-shotted them. He could one-shot his own commanders. He could one-shot Big Mom's commanders after demonstrating he could one-shot Luffy.
The stat gape is too big. The Admirals are just marginally better than the top Commanders. When compared to the Yonkos and the past Legends, they fall terribly short. Without some new feats, they would get steamrolled as is.
@kajin_style: Lol are you trolling? Now Admirals are "Marginally Yonko Commander Level"
Nah I almost took that bait though ngl. I think he's making fun of some of the posters here.
If he's serious though. Which I'm pretty sure he is not. This is what I mean when I say the scaling is being messed up here. The guys that think this is a mismatch. Are ones making statements like "Zoro and many other characters in the series have higher attack power than Akainu and Whitebeard", "Fujitora has no notable advantages over Green Bull", "Aokiji is getting low diffed", and "Admirals are around Yonko Commander level".
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