Big Barda & Wonder Woman Vs Supergirl & Power Girl

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#51  Edited By Fire Star

Still, it doesn't change the fact that Diana stated herself that Power Girl was as strong and fast as her. It's not something to get upset about, thats pretty good for both characters.
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#52  Edited By Sherlock
@Valtot:  I agree that they could be as strong but they dont have a feat to back it and thats all we can really go on
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" @comicdude23: I did some looking back at the comics. I made a mistake. Big Barda and Wonder Woman are more skilled and experienced than SG and PG. "
Did you think otherwise?
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#53  Edited By Nefarious
@Sherlock: Yes.
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#54  Edited By Sherlock
@Nefarious said:
" @Sherlock: Yes. "
Ok im really not tryng to be mean here but i cant resist
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#55  Edited By Nefarious
@Sherlock: I still have that Epic Facepalm pic that you gave me.
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#56  Edited By Valtot
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yes but alot of characters are like this but when they consistantly match in strength drawing blood from said person and taking there hits during fights it shows there in the same strength level as the same can be said for captain marvel with superman as he doesnt have the strength feats like superman but we know they have matched directly in combat, same with doomsday who doesnt have strength feats his are all in combat, and i bet theres a whole other bunch and without wonderwoman showing shes physically stronger than the current versions of either than shes not as shes already stated powergirl was as strong and fast as her and that would make supergirl the same and supergirl has already matched blow to blow with wonderwoman for short time and proven to be in the same strength class with superman as well during combat. if we only went on pure strength feats which not all characters have the chance to do than sentry is alot weaker than thor at his max confidence and peak, thor is stronger than an enraged hulk and superman or supergirl are stronger than doomsday physically based off pure strength feats but thats only if we discount what happens during combat when they fight and how they talk about the other persons strength
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#57  Edited By Sherlock
@Nefarious said:
" @Sherlock: I still have that Epic Facepalm pic that you gave me. "
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#58  Edited By comicdude23
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" @Sherlock: yes but alot of characters are like this but when they consistantly match in strength drawing blood from said person and taking there hits during fights it shows there in the same strength level as the same can be said for captain marvel with superman as he doesnt have the strength feats like superman but we know they have matched directly in combat, same with doomsday who doesnt have strength feats his are all in combat, and i bet theres a whole other bunch and without wonderwoman showing shes physically stronger than the current versions of either than shes not as shes already stated powergirl was as strong and fast as her and that would make supergirl the same and supergirl has already matched blow to blow with wonderwoman for short time and proven to be in the same strength class with superman as well during combat. if we only went on pure strength feats which not all characters have the chance to do than sentry is alot weaker than thor at his max confidence and peak, thor is stronger than an enraged hulk and superman or supergirl are stronger than doomsday physically based off pure strength feats but thats only if we discount what happens during combat when they fight and how they talk about the other persons strength "

Ok. Wonder Woman is Stronger than Power Girl,  Captain Marvel has stalemated Superman in arm wrestling, and proven to be his equal in Strength. Also, hyperbole statements won't help.
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#59  Edited By Valtot

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if you dont have anything to show shes stronger that we have not gone over than whats the point in repeating wonderwoman is stronger with no proof? yes captain marvel has shown to be physically equal to superman but he doesnt have the feats outside of physical match ups to say he is thats the point as we already know there in the same class based on match ups, the same way we know powergirl and supergirl are in the same class as wonderwoman with wonderwoman never showing to be any stronger than powergirl only using her fighting skills to calm her down and in the end of there fight powergirl didnt actually have 1 injury anyway

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#60  Edited By comicdude23
@Valtot said:
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@comicdude23:

if you dont have anything to show shes stronger that we have not gone over than whats the point in repeating wonderwoman is stronger with no proof? yes captain marvel has shown to be physically equal to superman but he doesnt have the feats outside of physical match ups to say he is thats the point as we already know there in the same class based on match ups, the same way we know powergirl and supergirl are in the same class as wonderwoman with wonderwoman never showing to be any stronger than powergirl only using her fighting skills to calm her down and in the end of there fight powergirl didnt actually have 1 injury anyway

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I do have proof. Wonder Woman has better feats, she has better Strength feats, Power Girl doesn't. There is your proof. Captain Marvel doesn't need outside feats, Superman can have all the feats he wants, if he stalemates Captain Marvel in arm wrestling, he's equal. Simple. Wonder Woman wasn't really fighting Power Girl in that fight. Wonder Woman helping to move the Earth > Power Girls Strength feats.
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#61  Edited By Valtot
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strength feats dont prove anything when shes already fought and basically stalemated in combat physically against her  yes wonderwoman didnt wanna fight to kill her but she wasnt gonna hold back her strength against powergirl unless she stated she was doing it the whole fight? theres simply proof of powergirl drawing blood from wonderwoman many times and powergirl taking wonderwomans hits without injuries to prove there atleast in the same strength class, powergirl has also put down superman quickly when he was mind controlled with physical force and hit people to other countries as strength feats, does powergirls encounter with superman compared to how wonderwoman dealt with superman make powergiirl stronger comparing how the fights went? and wonderwoman moved the earth but both wonderwoman and superman have been physically matched by powergirl with powergirl actually dominating superman because he was mind controlled and not fighting properly. Please if you have anything outside of wonder woman helping move the earth with people who have already been physically matched by powergirl or supergirl than post it as just repeating yourself doesnt help your case
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#62  Edited By comicdude23
@Valtot said:

" @comicdude23:strength feats dont prove anything when shes already fought and basically stalemated in combat physically against her


No. Re-Look at the fight, Wonder Woman wasn't really fighting back. She was holding back. And holding back does hold your Strength.

  yes wonderwoman didnt wanna fight to kill her but she wasnt gonna hold back her strength

You also forget that she wasn't fighting back. And holding back does hold back her Strength.
 

against powergirl unless she stated she was doing it the whole fight?

When you hold back you try and stop yourself from going all out.

 theres simply proof of powergirl drawing blood from wonderwoman many times

Drawing blood does not prove anything.
 

and powergirl taking wonderwomans hits without injuries to prove there atleast in the same strength class

I never said Power Girl was alot weaker. Just a bit weaker. And she does get hurt by her hits, she also loses to Wonder Woman.
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powergirl has also put down superman quickly when he was mind controlled with physical force and hit people to other countries as strength feats

Rubbish feat. A mind controlled Superman isn't using his powers and Fighting Skills effictively.
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does powergirls encounter with superman compared to how wonderwoman dealt with superman make powergiirl stronger comparing how the fights went?

Wonder Woman encountered a Bloodlusted Superman, Power Girl did not.

and wonderwoman moved the earth but both wonderwoman and superman have been physically matched by powergirl

No. Wonder Woman was holding back and not fighting back. Superman was not using his powers effictively, inculding Strength.

with powergirl actually dominating superman because he was mind controlled and not fighting properly.

Adressed this.

Please if you have anything outside of wonder woman helping move the earth with people who have already been physically matched by powergirl or supergirl than post it as just repeating yourself doesnt help your case "

Nor does you posting out of context fights with a mind controlled Superman.
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#63  Edited By Valtot

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even if wonderwoman was holding back it doesnt mean she wasnt using her full strenght it just means she wasnt going for the kill why would she hold back against someoen as strong as powergirl? though if she adressed she was holding back her strength the whole fight than she was

 

drawing blood from someone means shes in the same strength class and than taking her hits without any physical injury proves shes also in the same strength class so yes it means something that this was happening

 

stating that shes a bit weaker without any actual proof even though they have fought and wonderwoman never showed to be stronger than her while powergirl was infact knocking her around for most of the fight till wonderwoman used her fighting skills to calm her down, and yes she got stunned by the hits but can you actually show wonderwoman leaving any damage on powergirl as by the end of the fight powergirl doesnt have a single scratch on her in the end and wonderwoman during the fight acknowledged that powergirl is atleast as strong and as fast as her and than after this proceeded to use her fighting skills to stun and than hold powergirl till she calmed down so during there whole fight and based off what wonderwoman said shes just as strong and as fast as her and when it was said by wonderwoman herself while fighting her its true

 

yes mind controlled means he wasnt fighting properly i said this but it doesnt mean his physical strength and durability just goes away does it?

 

wonderwoman was certainly fighting back have you seen the fight, it was just until near the end when she started using her fighting skills to hold powergirl till she calmed down

 

sorry i didnt mean that to appear out of context thats why i also said when powergirl fought superman he wasnt fighting properly because he was mind controlled i was talking about there physical match ups

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#64  Edited By comicdude23
@Valtot said:
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@comicdude23: even if wonderwoman was holding back it doesnt mean she wasnt using her full strenght it just means she wasnt going for the kill why would she hold back against someoen as strong as powergirl? though if she adressed she was holding back her strength the whole fight than she was

Wonder Woman wasn't fighting back. She was trying to reason with Power Girl. When she got serious, she won. The fight resembles KC Superman and KC Captain Marvels fight. 


drawing blood from someone means shes in the same strength class and than taking her hits without any physical injury proves shes also in the same strength class so yes it means something that this was happening

 

No. Drawing blood shows you can physically hurt someone, it does not put you at the same Strength level. And taking hits and not having any injuries shows Durability. 


stating that shes a bit weaker without any actual proof even though they have fought and wonderwoman never showed to be stronger than her while powergirl was infact knocking her around for most of the fight till wonderwoman used her fighting skills to calm her down, and yes she got stunned by the hits but can you actually show wonderwoman leaving any damage on powergirl as by the end of the fight powergirl doesnt have a single scratch on her in the end and wonderwoman during the fight acknowledged that powergirl is atleast as strong and as fast as her and than after this proceeded to use her fighting skills to stun and than hold powergirl till she calmed down so during there whole fight and based off what wonderwoman said shes just as strong and as fast as her and when it was said by wonderwoman herself while fighting her its true

 

Right. Statements can mean almost nothing. Their is not evidence to back up statements, their very well can be, but for Power Girl being Stronger than Wonder Woman, or atleast equal, has no evidence. Power Girl was knocking Wonder Woman around because Wonder Woman wanted to reason with Power Girl and not fight. Their was no scratch on Power Girl because Wonder Woman took her out with a choke lock, and did not fight her through out most of the fight, whilst Power Girl was fighting back. Wonder Woman wanted to end things quick, so she used her Fighting Skills.


yes mind controlled means he wasnt fighting properly i said this but it doesnt mean his physical strength and durability just goes away does it?

He was mind controlled, we don't know how he was using his Strength and Durability. For all we know, he could not be using it. We don't know how this mind controlled Superman is using his powers.

 


wonderwoman was certainly fighting back have you seen the fight, it was just until near the end when she started using her fighting skills to hold powergirl till she calmed down

She was holding back and trying to reason, someone who isn't holding back and is going all out will most likely get more blood drawn. She used her Fighting Skills to end things quick.

 


sorry i didnt mean that to appear out of context thats why i also said when powergirl fought superman he wasnt fighting properly because he was mind controlled i was talking about there physical match ups


He might have not even used his physical abilities properly either. For all we know.
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#65  Edited By Valtot
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ok first off im not sure what you mean by not fighting back? as she was fighting back at powergirl for most of the fight it was just powergirls blows were forcing wonder woman on the defence for most of it but she still took her chances to hit back and stun her, though your right she didnt want to kill powergirl or anything thats why she kept talking to her trying to calm her down and using her lasso on powergirl though none of that worked till the end when wonderwoman got powergirl in a lock but nothing proves she was holding back her strength as she would know how strong powergirl is and wouldnt be stupid enough to hold back on her attacks just not to kill her,

 

though none of that really means anything anyway as wonderwoman acknowledged powergirl was atleast just as strong and as fast as her while fighting her so when wonder woman herself said it during the comic while fighting powergirl its true    

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#66  Edited By Fire Star
@comicdude23 said:
" @Valtot said:
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@comicdude23: even if wonderwoman was holding back it doesnt mean she wasnt using her full strenght it just means she wasnt going for the kill why would she hold back against someoen as strong as powergirl? though if she adressed she was holding back her strength the whole fight than she was

Wonder Woman wasn't fighting back. She was trying to reason with Power Girl. When she got serious, she won. The fight resembles KC Superman and KC Captain Marvels fight. 


drawing blood from someone means shes in the same strength class and than taking her hits without any physical injury proves shes also in the same strength class so yes it means something that this was happening

 

No. Drawing blood shows you can physically hurt someone, it does not put you at the same Strength level. And taking hits and not having any injuries shows Durability. 


stating that shes a bit weaker without any actual proof even though they have fought and wonderwoman never showed to be stronger than her while powergirl was infact knocking her around for most of the fight till wonderwoman used her fighting skills to calm her down, and yes she got stunned by the hits but can you actually show wonderwoman leaving any damage on powergirl as by the end of the fight powergirl doesnt have a single scratch on her in the end and wonderwoman during the fight acknowledged that powergirl is atleast as strong and as fast as her and than after this proceeded to use her fighting skills to stun and than hold powergirl till she calmed down so during there whole fight and based off what wonderwoman said shes just as strong and as fast as her and when it was said by wonderwoman herself while fighting her its true

 

Right. Statements can mean almost nothing. Their is not evidence to back up statements, their very well can be, but for Power Girl being Stronger than Wonder Woman, or atleast equal, has no evidence. Power Girl was knocking Wonder Woman around because Wonder Woman wanted to reason with Power Girl and not fight. Their was no scratch on Power Girl because Wonder Woman took her out with a choke lock, and did not fight her through out most of the fight, whilst Power Girl was fighting back. Wonder Woman wanted to end things quick, so she used her Fighting Skills.


yes mind controlled means he wasnt fighting properly i said this but it doesnt mean his physical strength and durability just goes away does it?

He was mind controlled, we don't know how he was using his Strength and Durability. For all we know, he could not be using it. We don't know how this mind controlled Superman is using his powers.

 


wonderwoman was certainly fighting back have you seen the fight, it was just until near the end when she started using her fighting skills to hold powergirl till she calmed down

She was holding back and trying to reason, someone who isn't holding back and is going all out will most likely get more blood drawn. She used her Fighting Skills to end things quick.

 


sorry i didnt mean that to appear out of context thats why i also said when powergirl fought superman he wasnt fighting properly because he was mind controlled i was talking about there physical match ups


He might have not even used his physical abilities properly either. For all we know. "


First off, Diana was indeed trying to capture and restrain Power Girl, she was fighting her. To state that Wonder Woman was holding back really isn't necessary, and isn't a good use for debate because Diana naturally holds back in most of her battles. The only reason she beat Power Girl was because of her superior fighting skills. If you examine the battle more closely, Wonder Woman eventually used all her abilities to the fullest at the end to overcome Power Girl, Wonder Woman even stating she was just as strong and as fast as her. She wasn't knocking her around because Wonder Woman wanted to sit there and reason with her, Diana even attempted to capture her with her lasso, but Power Girl's reactions were to fast, she easily dodged the attempt.

 

As for her going up against a brainwashed Superman, that in itself is a feat. You have to be at a certain degree of strength and durability to fight him. Superman usually holds back, so if he was brainwashed you would think that he wouldn't have put those restraints on himself, so to say that we don't know if he was using all of his strength or not is a silly assumption, the fact that she can even go toe-to-toe with him puts her in the league with Superman and Wonder Woman, closer to WW in physical stats.

 

It has also been stated  by Batman that Supergirl could possibly be a rival in physical abilites to Superman, or perhaps surpass them. Now, when Supergirl and Power Girl fought, it was for the most part an even match, however Kara stated herself that she wasn't used to fighting someone just as strong as her, here again you have proof that Power Girl is at Supergirl/Wonder Woman level. So to even question that Power Girl isn't as strong as Wonder Woman is just plain ignoring the evidence that has been shown several times throughout her showings.

 

As to you saying the statement has little fact to back it up is little knowledge on the character. She has many showings going up against Superman level beings as well as several statements made by other Superman level beings to back up the statement, not to mention the feats she has.

 

Wonder Woman was serious about the matter the whole time, but she knew she would have to use her fighting skills to beat Kara, because physically they are equal. If you look at the fight more closely, you would see that Diana wasn't just talking all sweet before she overcome Kara. To assume she wasn't fighting against her is ignorance.

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#67  Edited By comicdude23
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ok first off im not sure what you mean by not fighting back?

Look at the fight. I remember that Wonder Woman was trying to reason with her.

 

 as she was fighting back at powergirl for most of the fight it was just powergirls blows were forcing wonder woman on the defence for most of it but she still took her chances to hit back and stun her, though your right she didnt want to kill powergirl or anything thats why she kept talking to her trying to calm her down and using her lasso on powergirl though none of that worked till the end when wonderwoman got powergirl in a lock but nothing proves she was holding back her strength as she would know how strong powergirl is and wouldnt be stupid enough to hold back on her attacks just not to kill her,   

Power Girl wasn't holding back and was using her full Strength, Wonder Woman was holding back and wasn't using her full Strength. She was reasoning with her, trying to calm her down, like KC Superman and KC Captain Marvel. She just wanted to calm her down, she wasn't even trying that hard. When you hold back, you hold back your Strength, when you punch someone whilst holding back, you don't try and hit as hard as you can, if your holding back, she's trying to use the right amount of Strength to win. Not her full Strength.


though none of that really means anything anyway as wonderwoman acknowledged powergirl was atleast just as strong and as fast as her while fighting her so when wonder woman herself said it during the comic while fighting powergirl its true    

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Yes, but these are just statements, though I will admit, Strength is a Non Factor.
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#68  Edited By karrob

Currently in fighting abilities I think its WW > BB > SG > PG


You have the two best fighters on one team but the aerial advantage goes to team 2. I see team 1 winning because based on the scan I think that WW can easily take out PG. That leaves two on one.
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#69  Edited By Valtot
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your correct on the fighting abilities i think but for that 1 scan you shouldnt base it off as it was only 1 of 12 scans where powergirl ended up without a single injury at the end and was doing things like punching wonderwoman to a different country and keeping her on the defence the whole fight, plus the entire fight took place at night where powergirl wasnt getting any extra solar radiaiton,  though wonderwoman in a straight up fight could take a slight majority because of her fighting skills but theres alot of things to consider when a character is fighting to the best of there abilities during a battle forum thread such as either of team 2 could take the fight to space where they have a clear advantage over team 1 in power, or the fight might just take place during day time where they have another advantage over how there other match ups went, than theres also the fact team 1 has a slower person than the rest who could be speed blitzed the entire time than its 2 on 1 and team 2 win
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#70  Edited By Aero_gt


I'm  going with the less hot team, BB and WW on account of fighting techniques and WW and/or BB are maybe a little stronger if not equal.
If one were to speed blitz(Everyone's favorite move to do here is you have superspeed instead of getting down and dirty.) Barda presumably would be able to take a few hits here and there, maybe even strike or slow team two's sber back while getting hit to bring in a win, lose, or draw, while Wonderwoman has a fair fight against the other member which she'll most likely win warming her up so she can go ahead and beat the other girl if she where to beat Barda.          
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#71  Edited By HolySerpent

i dont know how supergirl or powergirl can possibly take down wonderwomen
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#72  Edited By PowerHerc

Barda and WW, though out-powered by these two, win due to fighting skills far superior to the neophyte Supergirl and hot-headed Power Girl.
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#73  Edited By comicdude23
@Fire Star said:
" @comicdude23 said:
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@comicdude23: even if wonderwoman was holding back it doesnt mean she wasnt using her full strenght it just means she wasnt going for the kill why would she hold back against someoen as strong as powergirl? though if she adressed she was holding back her strength the whole fight than she was

Wonder Woman wasn't fighting back. She was trying to reason with Power Girl. When she got serious, she won. The fight resembles KC Superman and KC Captain Marvels fight. 


drawing blood from someone means shes in the same strength class and than taking her hits without any physical injury proves shes also in the same strength class so yes it means something that this was happening

 

No. Drawing blood shows you can physically hurt someone, it does not put you at the same Strength level. And taking hits and not having any injuries shows Durability. 


stating that shes a bit weaker without any actual proof even though they have fought and wonderwoman never showed to be stronger than her while powergirl was infact knocking her around for most of the fight till wonderwoman used her fighting skills to calm her down, and yes she got stunned by the hits but can you actually show wonderwoman leaving any damage on powergirl as by the end of the fight powergirl doesnt have a single scratch on her in the end and wonderwoman during the fight acknowledged that powergirl is atleast as strong and as fast as her and than after this proceeded to use her fighting skills to stun and than hold powergirl till she calmed down so during there whole fight and based off what wonderwoman said shes just as strong and as fast as her and when it was said by wonderwoman herself while fighting her its true

 

Right. Statements can mean almost nothing. Their is not evidence to back up statements, their very well can be, but for Power Girl being Stronger than Wonder Woman, or atleast equal, has no evidence. Power Girl was knocking Wonder Woman around because Wonder Woman wanted to reason with Power Girl and not fight. Their was no scratch on Power Girl because Wonder Woman took her out with a choke lock, and did not fight her through out most of the fight, whilst Power Girl was fighting back. Wonder Woman wanted to end things quick, so she used her Fighting Skills.


yes mind controlled means he wasnt fighting properly i said this but it doesnt mean his physical strength and durability just goes away does it?

He was mind controlled, we don't know how he was using his Strength and Durability. For all we know, he could not be using it. We don't know how this mind controlled Superman is using his powers.

 


wonderwoman was certainly fighting back have you seen the fight, it was just until near the end when she started using her fighting skills to hold powergirl till she calmed down

She was holding back and trying to reason, someone who isn't holding back and is going all out will most likely get more blood drawn. She used her Fighting Skills to end things quick.

 


sorry i didnt mean that to appear out of context thats why i also said when powergirl fought superman he wasnt fighting properly because he was mind controlled i was talking about there physical match ups


He might have not even used his physical abilities properly either. For all we know. "


First off, Diana was indeed trying to capture and restrain Power Girl, she was fighting her. To state that Wonder Woman was holding back really isn't necessary, and isn't a good use for debate because Diana naturally holds back in most of her battles. The only reason she beat Power Girl was because of her superior fighting skills. If you examine the battle more closely, Wonder Woman eventually used all her abilities to the fullest at the end to overcome Power Girl, Wonder Woman even stating she was just as strong and as fast as her. She wasn't knocking her around because Wonder Woman wanted to sit there and reason with her, Diana even attempted to capture her with her lasso, but Power Girl's reactions were to fast, she easily dodged the attempt.

 

As for her going up against a brainwashed Superman, that in itself is a feat. You have to be at a certain degree of strength and durability to fight him. Superman usually holds back, so if he was brainwashed you would think that he wouldn't have put those restraints on himself, so to say that we don't know if he was using all of his strength or not is a silly assumption, the fact that she can even go toe-to-toe with him puts her in the league with Superman and Wonder Woman, closer to WW in physical stats.

 

It has also been stated  by Batman that Supergirl could possibly be a rival in physical abilites to Superman, or perhaps surpass them. Now, when Supergirl and Power Girl fought, it was for the most part an even match, however Kara stated herself that she wasn't used to fighting someone just as strong as her, here again you have proof that Power Girl is at Supergirl/Wonder Woman level. So to even question that Power Girl isn't as strong as Wonder Woman is just plain ignoring the evidence that has been shown several times throughout her showings.

 

As to you saying the statement has little fact to back it up is little knowledge on the character. She has many showings going up against Superman level beings as well as several statements made by other Superman level beings to back up the statement, not to mention the feats she has.

 

Wonder Woman was serious about the matter the whole time, but she knew she would have to use her fighting skills to beat Kara, because physically they are equal. If you look at the fight more closely, you would see that Diana wasn't just talking all sweet before she overcome Kara. To assume she wasn't fighting against her is ignorance.

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A. Wonder Woman can KO Power Girl here. In that fight, she was just trying to restrain her, not go all out on her. Wonder Woman easily brought her down when she used her Fighting Skills. And statements can mean nothing.
B. Fighting a brainwashed Superman isn't a good feat. Superman may not even be using his Strength for all we know, and when he's brainwashed, he couldn't be using his other powers.
C. I know Supergirl and Power Girl are equal. Also, Wonder Woman > Supergirl. All thats been shown is that she knock around people near Wonder Woman's Strength class. Not real Strength feats once again.
D. Again, just going up angainst people are not Strength feats. 
E. Diana was just trying to restrain her, not go all out on her, she can easily bring her down with her Fighting Skills.

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#74  Edited By comicdude23
@Valtot said:

" @karrob: your correct on the fighting abilities i think but for that 1 scan you shouldnt base it off as it was only 1 of 12 scans where powergirl ended up without a single injury at the end and was doing things like punching wonderwoman to a different country and keeping her on the defence the whole fight, plus the entire fight took place at night where powergirl wasnt getting any extra solar radiaiton,  though wonderwoman in a straight up fight could take a slight majority because of her fighting skills but theres alot of things to consider when a character is fighting to the best of there abilities during a battle forum thread such as either of team 2 could take the fight to space where they have a clear advantage over team 1 in power, or the fight might just take place during day time where they have another advantage over how there other match ups went, than theres also the fact team 1 has a slower person than the rest who could be speed blitzed the entire time than its 2 on 1 and team 2 win "

Again, Wonder Woman was trying to restrain her. And clam her down. Wonder Woman is the Fastest here on foot, and Team 1 have the better Fighting Skills, Magic, Smarts (Arguably), Team 1 win.
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why is wonderwoman the fastest on foot? it almost appeared as if powergirl was slightly blitzing her during the fight, statements by a character about another character while fighting would mean alot as she stated she was just as strong and as fast as her, the only way the statement would mean nothing is if it came from a different person about them but when wonder woman said this herself in the comic about powergirl while fighting her youd be reaching if you tried to argue against it

 

and for your comment on wonder woman > supergirl was there a time when wonder woman had shown she was physically stronger than current supergirl without just using her better fighting skills against her or is this another guess?

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#76  Edited By termiteone4ever

This fight is pretty close.
Wonder woman and Barda could pull this off but it has to be very tactical and its based only on their fighting ability and experience. Supergirl serious and angry is pretty powerful and power girl is pretty tough. If they don't choke out / Ko the Kryptonians early They could be in some trouble. We all know both team can Blitz and strength level is Up there. I am going ot give it to wonder woman and Barda IMO in a close fight.

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@comicdude23:


why is wonderwoman the fastest on foot?

Better Speed feats on foot.

 

it almost appeared as if powergirl was slightly blitzing her during the fight,

No.
 

statements by a character about another character while fighting would mean alot as she stated she was just as strong and as fast as her, the only way the statement would mean nothing is if it came from a different person about them but when wonder woman said this herself in the comic about powergirl while fighting her youd be reaching if you tried to argue against it

No. The evidence is against it. 



and for your comment on wonder woman > supergirl was there a time when wonder woman had shown she was physically stronger than current supergirl without just using her better fighting skills against her or is this another guess?


Again, better Strength feats.

This argument on who is Stronger isn't going anywhere. At all. So I'll just stop at they are equal in Strength.


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@comicdude23 said:  
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A. Wonder Woman can KO Power Girl here. In that fight, she was just trying to restrain her, not go all out on her. Wonder Woman easily brought her down when she used her Fighting Skills. And statements can mean nothing.
B. Fighting a brainwashed Superman isn't a good feat. Superman may not even be using his Strength for all we know, and when he's brainwashed, he couldn't be using his other powers.
C. I know Supergirl and Power Girl are equal. Also, Wonder Woman > Supergirl. All thats been shown is that she knock around people near Wonder Woman's Strength class. Not real Strength feats once again.
D. Again, just going up angainst people are not Strength feats. 
E. Diana was just trying to restrain her, not go all out on her, she can easily bring her down with her Fighting Skills.

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A. Of course she could, PG could KO Wonder Woman too, I don't see how this is a valid point in the debate. If you would please review the scans, because there are only a page or two that she is actually talking and trying to restrain her, the rest she is fighting her like normal. You obviously have not seen the entire fight, I'll just have to post it for you. She didn't even bring her down, she only restrained her. Kara stopped fighting and wasn't even trying to get out of her grip at the end. Statements can mean nothing, but your ignoring the fact that usually they do mean something, and you really have no proof to debunk the statement because its far more than feasible to accept that Power Girl is as strong as Wonder Woman. Please show me why that statement couldn't be valid, because you know it is. Especially coming from a highly regarded character, and it's not like the whole fight was PIS, because it wasn't.

 

B. Yes, it is. If would read my entire post in my last response I told you that Superman holds back in fights, thats just the nature of his character. Now, when Wonder Woman has fought him she has usually been using, keep in mind Superman is holding back. Now, being brainwashed means those morals of holding back isn't as dominant in his brain, so he will be more violent and less worried about morals. So yet again, Power Girl shows WW level durability, not to mention she fought other Superman-level characters in that same comic. Why couldn't he use his other powers, and to be completely honest why does it really matter here ?

 

C. Actually, it's possible that Power Girl may be slightly stronger. Wonder Woman > Supergirl in what ? In strength and speed that can be debated as well, the only real thing that WW would have over Supergirl that would make a difference here is fighting skills. Yes, she knocked people around in WW's class. But if we are talking about Supergirl than she has the actual strength feats to rival WW. Again, it's been stated that she isn't far back from Superman's physical stats if she is even weaker, but it's possible that she is equal to him, and possible surpass him.

 

D. Yes, it is. What you don't understand it that you have to be so strong to go against a certain character. For example, Ms. Marvel couldn't go up against Wonder Woman because she isn't nearly as strong. She would have to be a 100+ tonner to even make Diana try, so PG must be around WW's level to even hurt Superman or any other 100+ tonners.

 

E. No, she wasn't during the whole fight. Have you even seen the whole thing ? By the end of the fight Power Girl wasn't even trying to get out of Diana's hold, and she didn't even take her down, I don't know why you keep saying that, she barely restrained her.

 

As you can clearly see, Diana stats she must subdue her first, and stats that Kara is strong and fast. She stated clearly that she must subdue her first, so that means she knows she can't hold back.
As you can clearly see, Diana stats she must subdue her first, and stats that Kara is strong and fast. She stated clearly that she must subdue her first, so that means she knows she can't hold back.


 

As you can see Power Girl caused her physical pain and made her bleed, something that few can do. She said she had to subdue Kara in the first scan, but while she was trying to she couldn't, as she says
As you can see Power Girl caused her physical pain and made her bleed, something that few can do. She said she had to subdue Kara in the first scan, but while she was trying to she couldn't, as she says " This isn't going well." This meaning her attempt to subdue Kara.
Again, Wonder Woman is impressed with Power Girl's strength because she was able to knock her into Canada.
Again, Wonder Woman is impressed with Power Girl's strength because she was able to knock her into Canada.
Yet again, Wonder Woman is going to exert her abilities to the fullest, also saying that PG has superspeed to her level.
Yet again, Wonder Woman is going to exert her abilities to the fullest, also saying that PG has superspeed to her level.
Again, this scan shows her speed on foot, easily dodging Wonder Woman's lasso. In the last part Wonder Woman is physically exhausted and worn out, Kara, however, appears to be in perfect condition.
Again, this scan shows her speed on foot, easily dodging Wonder Woman's lasso. In the last part Wonder Woman is physically exhausted and worn out, Kara, however, appears to be in perfect condition.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course, this isn't all of the battle, but these scans show the main points I wanted to address. Your not giving enough credit to Team 2, and you make it seem like it's all too easy, and Wonder Woman could easily take out Power Girl, when this battle shows that it is much more difficult than you make it seem. And Diana didn't even defeat Kara, she just restrained her, and Kara stopped trying to get out of her grip by the end. Power Girl could hold off Wonder Woman while Supergirl beats Big Barda, then the two Kara's can team up on Wonder Woman and defeat her without much difficulty.

   

   

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#79  Edited By A_O_N

I'd pick Barda and Wonder Woman. They are more experienced, I think they are stronger, and I like them more.

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"I'd pick Barda and Wonder Woman. They are more experienced, I think they are stronger, and I like them more. "

What proof do you have that they are much stronger to the point where it makes a difference in this fight ? Just because you like the character more doesn't mean it's a good idea to use that as evidence in your debate.
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#81  Edited By comicdude23
@Fire Star said:
" @comicdude23 said:  
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A. Wonder Woman can KO Power Girl here. In that fight, she was just trying to restrain her, not go all out on her. Wonder Woman easily brought her down when she used her Fighting Skills. And statements can mean nothing.
B. Fighting a brainwashed Superman isn't a good feat. Superman may not even be using his Strength for all we know, and when he's brainwashed, he couldn't be using his other powers.
C. I know Supergirl and Power Girl are equal. Also, Wonder Woman > Supergirl. All thats been shown is that she knock around people near Wonder Woman's Strength class. Not real Strength feats once again.
D. Again, just going up angainst people are not Strength feats. 
E. Diana was just trying to restrain her, not go all out on her, she can easily bring her down with her Fighting Skills.

"


A. Of course she could, PG could KO Wonder Woman too, I don't see how this is a valid point in the debate. If you would please review the scans, because there are only a page or two that she is actually talking and trying to restrain her, the rest she is fighting her like normal. You obviously have not seen the entire fight, I'll just have to post it for you. She didn't even bring her down, she only restrained her. Kara stopped fighting and wasn't even trying to get out of her grip at the end. Statements can mean nothing, but your ignoring the fact that usually they do mean something, and you really have no proof to debunk the statement because its far more than feasible to accept that Power Girl is as strong as Wonder Woman. Please show me why that statement couldn't be valid, because you know it is. Especially coming from a highly regarded character, and it's not like the whole fight was PIS, because it wasn't.

 

B. Yes, it is. If would read my entire post in my last response I told you that Superman holds back in fights, thats just the nature of his character. Now, when Wonder Woman has fought him she has usually been using, keep in mind Superman is holding back. Now, being brainwashed means those morals of holding back isn't as dominant in his brain, so he will be more violent and less worried about morals. So yet again, Power Girl shows WW level durability, not to mention she fought other Superman-level characters in that same comic. Why couldn't he use his other powers, and to be completely honest why does it really matter here ?

 

C. Actually, it's possible that Power Girl may be slightly stronger. Wonder Woman > Supergirl in what ? In strength and speed that can be debated as well, the only real thing that WW would have over Supergirl that would make a difference here is fighting skills. Yes, she knocked people around in WW's class. But if we are talking about Supergirl than she has the actual strength feats to rival WW. Again, it's been stated that she isn't far back from Superman's physical stats if she is even weaker, but it's possible that she is equal to him, and possible surpass him.

 

D. Yes, it is. What you don't understand it that you have to be so strong to go against a certain character. For example, Ms. Marvel couldn't go up against Wonder Woman because she isn't nearly as strong. She would have to be a 100+ tonner to even make Diana try, so PG must be around WW's level to even hurt Superman or any other 100+ tonners.

 

E. No, she wasn't during the whole fight. Have you even seen the whole thing ? By the end of the fight Power Girl wasn't even trying to get out of Diana's hold, and she didn't even take her down, I don't know why you keep saying that, she barely restrained her.

 

As you can clearly see, Diana stats she must subdue her first, and stats that Kara is strong and fast. She stated clearly that she must subdue her first, so that means she knows she can't hold back.
As you can clearly see, Diana stats she must subdue her first, and stats that Kara is strong and fast. She stated clearly that she must subdue her first, so that means she knows she can't hold back.


 

As you can see Power Girl caused her physical pain and made her bleed, something that few can do. She said she had to subdue Kara in the first scan, but while she was trying to she couldn't, as she says
As you can see Power Girl caused her physical pain and made her bleed, something that few can do. She said she had to subdue Kara in the first scan, but while she was trying to she couldn't, as she says " This isn't going well." This meaning her attempt to subdue Kara.
Again, Wonder Woman is impressed with Power Girl's strength because she was able to knock her into Canada.
Again, Wonder Woman is impressed with Power Girl's strength because she was able to knock her into Canada.
Yet again, Wonder Woman is going to exert her abilities to the fullest, also saying that PG has superspeed to her level.
Yet again, Wonder Woman is going to exert her abilities to the fullest, also saying that PG has superspeed to her level.
Again, this scan shows her speed on foot, easily dodging Wonder Woman's lasso. In the last part Wonder Woman is physically exhausted and worn out, Kara, however, appears to be in perfect condition.
Again, this scan shows her speed on foot, easily dodging Wonder Woman's lasso. In the last part Wonder Woman is physically exhausted and worn out, Kara, however, appears to be in perfect condition.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course, this isn't all of the battle, but these scans show the main points I wanted to address. Your not giving enough credit to Team 2, and you make it seem like it's all too easy, and Wonder Woman could easily take out Power Girl, when this battle shows that it is much more difficult than you make it seem. And Diana didn't even defeat Kara, she just restrained her, and Kara stopped trying to get out of her grip by the end. Power Girl could hold off Wonder Woman while Supergirl beats Big Barda, then the two Kara's can team up on Wonder Woman and defeat her without much difficulty.

   

   

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Ok. Where to start with you. If you read my comments, you'll have seen I said they were equal in Strength because the Strength argument is going nowhere. Wonder Woman has vastly superior Fighting Skill, she's a trained Amazon warrior who has shown to have unique Fighting Skill. Power Girl doesn't really have Fighting Skill. Wonder Woman is arguably Smarter, she has the Wisdom Of Athena, Wonder Woman is also tactical, in a fight she will know what to do, she has more Experience here too. Wonder Woman also has Magical Lightning, her Gaunlets can project Zeus's Lightning, and Power Girl is vulnreble to Magic. HV won't be a problem here, her Gaunlets can deflect it. What defence will Power Girl have against her Lightning? she can defeat Power Girl again, by getting her into that choke lock. Her breath can be evaded too. And Power Girl can't hold off Wonder Woman, the Lightning will drop her. And onto Barda....Barda > Supergirl. Their Strength level may be equal, but Barda is far more skilled than Supergirl. Her skill level is much higher than Supergirl's. Barda's Mega Rod will help her bring down Supergirl too, the Mega Rod will allow her to create powerful blasts that can KO Supergirl. She can also Teleport behind Supergirl and get her by surprise.
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#82  Edited By Valtot

@comicdude23:

most of what you said is right except the power girl doesnt really have fighting skill, yes she does she was trained by wild cat in boxing and has learnt karate and she was even commented on her fighting skill by wonder woman while fighting but her fighting skills dont come close to wonder woman.

 

Than the part with wonder woman can defeat power girl by getting her in a choke hold, powergirl doesnt require oxygen like all kryptonians she can just absorb solar radiation for his sustanence but she breathes on habit, and i dont think wonder woman got her in a choke hold anyway and anything like that given a few seconds she could of escaped by either flying backwards at high speeds smashing wonder woman into every thing behind them, flying straight into space and could lead wonder woman to anywhere if she really wants to hold the lock like say smashing her into the moon or leading her to the sun where powergirl could effortlessly remove the lock.

 

Than the lightning as it actually isnt a auto thing wonder woman has to activate it and powergirl could easily dodge said lightning as even a weaker version of superman could watch lightning in slow motion and powergirl has super human reactions/ thinking so for defence she can simply dodge it if she tried or evade and move away and use heat vision at a distance which can hold wonder woman back even if shes blocking it.

 

And for barda > supergirl, can i see some fighting feats from barda please to show this as while i know barda is a good combatant id like to see some of her fighting skills to show as supergirl is also a trained fighter though bardas could probalby be higher but with everything else supergirls speed would play the win as she can lend multiple blows on barda for every hit she can get in which will lead barda to being knocked out, though barda can teleport behind supergirl and use the mega rod to attack supergirl she could dodge at super speeds if she hears her moving behind her, plus supergirl already has techniques such as vibrating invisible and fighting barda like that which would give supergirl another advantage

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#83  Edited By Static Shock
@comicdude23 said:
" A. Wonder Woman can KO Power Girl here. In that fight, she was just trying to restrain her, not go all out on her. Wonder Woman easily brought her down when she used her Fighting Skills. And statements can mean nothing.
If Wonder Woman states that Power Girl is as strong and as fast as she is during battle, then it is what it is. You can't even refute that. 
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#84  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
Not sure. Statements can sometimes mean volumes, while on other occasions they can be totally erroneous. It really depends on the context and the logic behind each statement.
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#85  Edited By Static Shock
@Morpheus_ said:
" Not sure. Statements can sometimes mean volumes, while on other occasions they can be totally erroneous. It really depends on the context and the logic behind each statement. "
Yes, of course, but in a battle where Power Girl was clearly knocking Wonder Woman around and probably going all out, I think it's safe to say that Power Girl is what Wonder Woman says she is.
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#86  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@Static Shock said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" Not sure. Statements can sometimes mean volumes, while on other occasions they can be totally erroneous. It really depends on the context and the logic behind each statement. "
Yes, of course, but in a battle where Power Girl was clearly knocking Wonder Woman around and probably going all out, I think it's safe to say that Power Girl is what Wonder Woman says she is. "
Not arguing the example at hand, just talking about statements in comics in general.
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#87  Edited By Static Shock
@Morpheus_: I understand.
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@Morpheus_ said:
"Not sure. Statements can sometimes mean volumes, while on other occasions they can be totally erroneous. It really depends on the context and the logic behind each statement. "

A good example of what you are refering to would be Captain Atom saying that Majestic is not as strong as Superman, when Atom has never fought Superman.
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And you still didn't refute any of my major points. Basically you just kept stating how Diana is superior to PG and SG, and that really doesn't help your point. Again, I understand Diana is a better H2H fighter, I never disagreed with you there, so there isn't a reason to keep posting information I am already aware of. Now, the whole Supergirl > Barda thing isn't really true. Again, you keep stating how one character is superior to another in a certain area. And again, I have to explain to you that I am aware that Barda and Wonder Woman are far superior to Supergirl and Power Girl in H2H combat, I never refuted that, so no need to post it again. I was hoping you would refute my points but you just state the obvious again.

 

Barda is superior to Supergirl in fighting skills, and since she is your only using that as your proof that she will beat Supergirl. You leave out the part where Supergirl is far superior to Barda in speed and reactions feat, so if Barda isn't going to get the chance to hit her I don't see your point. Your using the whole Barda > Supergirl based off one area where she is greater, and that is fighting skills. Speed and reaction time is more important in this battle, so your only looking at one area, when you need to look at all abilities.

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#90  Edited By Evil-Incarnate

This could go either way because I've yet to see BB with speed feats that would allow her to keep up with SG or PG but, she's tagged WW and Superman IIRC.

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#92  Edited By primebonnick

two combat born goddesses up against  kryptonians with limited fighting abilities who do you think will win come on. WW and BB got this one. But they are all fine though so its a draw in that match

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I give this a 50:50 chance to both teams.

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#94  Edited By a88378438

big barda lifting the weight of a continent 
wonder woman can move 1/3 of the earth 
supergirl can  crack the earth in half 
powergirl stronger than supergirl(supergirl once say,she is stroner than me ) 
powergirl>supergirl>wonder woman>big barda
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@a88378438: I would love to se where Supergirl breaks the earth in half
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#96  Edited By a88378438
@Sherlock said:
@a88378438: I would love to se where Supergirl breaks the earth in half

superman once say...and supergirl is close to superman ,i think she can...
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#97  Edited By comicdude23
@a88378438 said:
@Sherlock said:
@a88378438: I would love to se where Supergirl breaks the earth in half
superman once say...and supergirl is close to superman ,i think she can...
She has never done it on panel so it's not credible.
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#98  Edited By a88378438
@comicdude23 said:
@a88378438 said:
@Sherlock said:
@a88378438: I would love to se where Supergirl breaks the earth in half
superman once say...and supergirl is close to superman ,i think she can...
She has never done it on panel so it's not credible.

but.......friend,i think she at least = wonder woman strong... 
maybe...
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Team 1 wins. 

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@TheGoldenOne said:
@ripcurl said:
" Team 2, kryptonians win. "