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#1 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1010 posts) - - Show Bio
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Rules:

  1. This is both Beyonders and Earth-4321 Thanos at their strongest without any injuries.
  2. Beyonders reveals their true form; whereas Thanos possess the Heart of the Universe.
  3. All-on-1 death battle.
  4. No interference or holding back allowed.

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Anywhere in Multiverse, let the death battle between those that killed Living Tribunal vs he who absorbed Living Tribunal begin!

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#3 Posted by Aristeaus (557 posts) - - Show Bio

Been done 100 times with more powerful versions of the beyonders. Thanos.

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#4 Posted by Cull_Obsidian (3387 posts) - - Show Bio

@godsvileanddarkwing: Interesting battle, but in spite of the Universal designations that Thanks is actually 616 Thanos as it is mentioned numerous times in canon to 616 works

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#5 Posted by Kevd4wg (10738 posts) - - Show Bio

I still think HoTU is canon, it's essential to his characterization and referenced in important canon stories

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#6 Edited by _KingofLatveria (17928 posts) - - Show Bio

@kevd4wg: Wasn't it stated as "not canon"

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#7 Posted by BreakOfDawn (716 posts) - - Show Bio

The soon to be non-canon Thanos wins.

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#8 Edited by IndomitableRegal (14472 posts) - - Show Bio

HotU Thanos wins.

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#9 Posted by KrleAvenger (26016 posts) - - Show Bio

HOTU is not canon only according to one Executive Producer and Wikipedia. All other sources of info state it is canon.

Anyway, it is impossible to say who wins here as both characters were stated to be completely Omnipotent and both have feats that surpass both the Abstracts and Living Tribunal in power and yet both were still taken down via plot. I have no idea who wins.

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#10 Posted by Pipxeroth (8843 posts) - - Show Bio

HOTU is canon, objectively. I mean the scan in the OP itself is literally a 616 comic referencing HOTU.

Also yeah no way to tell who wins really.

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#11 Posted by Kevd4wg (10738 posts) - - Show Bio

@kevd4wg: Wasn't it stated as "not canon"

"The End" comics as a whole were stated to be non-canon, however all other the end comics are in obvious non-canon alternate futures, whereas Marvel Universe: The End fits perfectly within to continuity, is needed for Thanos vol 1(the setup for Annihilation), and overall doesn't share many similarities with other "The End" comics.

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#12 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1010 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#13 Posted by DiarrheaRegatta (3017 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonders. Thanos literally had one percent of TOAA's power or something with his Heart of the Universe amp.

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#14 Posted by ginman333 (2738 posts) - - Show Bio

Hyperions junk looks impressive in that pic.

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#15 Posted by baph (842 posts) - - Show Bio

So basically HOTU Thanos vs Beyonders thread with a different name?

Been done.

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#16 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1010 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#17 Posted by phillip33 (3204 posts) - - Show Bio

@diarrhearegatta: 1% of infinite is still infinite. Tbeyomders had to actualy do battle with the LT, thanos dealt with the LT and all of the rest of marvel with just a thought. He did it way easier, so I’d say he wins.

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#18 Posted by Lord_Titan_ (2021 posts) - - Show Bio

Hyperions junk looks impressive in that pic.

Gay

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#19 Posted by Kevd4wg (10738 posts) - - Show Bio

@diarrhearegatta: 1% of infinite is still infinite. Tbeyomders had to actualy do battle with the LT, thanos dealt with the LT and all of the rest of marvel with just a thought. He did it way easier, so I’d say he wins.

We now know Starlin doesn't think TOAA is infinite

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#20 Edited by Supermanthor (4851 posts) - - Show Bio

@kevd4wg: who wins this in your opinion ?

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#21 Edited by RampageTheFirst (5474 posts) - - Show Bio

HoTU Thanos is still canon, it has been referenced in multiple canon arcs. With that said, Thanos blinks them out of existence.

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#22 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1010 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#23 Edited by Sungsam (1803 posts) - - Show Bio

This is literally just another BEEN DONE thread.

Weren't we all discussing HOTU vs Beyonders in some fashion the other day in the form of HOTU vs God Doom? That was basically just a HOTU vs Beyonders.... This essentially the same thread.

Thanos certainly defeated LT and the rest of the abstracts MUCH easier but I wouldn't say he did it in a thought.

But HOTU stomps. HOTU as anyone reasonable knows is still canon, despite what Author Statements say.

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#24 Posted by Supermanthor (4851 posts) - - Show Bio

@sungsam said:

This is literally just another BEEN DONE thread.

Weren't we all discussing HOTU vs Beyonders in some fashion the other day in the form of HOTU vs God Doom? That was basically just a HOTU vs Beyonders.... This essentially the same thread.

Thanos certainly defeated LT and the rest of the abstracts MUCH easier but I wouldn't say he did it in a thought.

But HOTU stomps. HOTU as anyone reasonable knows is still canon, despite what Author Statements say.

how is hotu canon ? just curious

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#25 Edited by Spambot (9029 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanthor said:
@sungsam said:

This is literally just another BEEN DONE thread.

Weren't we all discussing HOTU vs Beyonders in some fashion the other day in the form of HOTU vs God Doom? That was basically just a HOTU vs Beyonders.... This essentially the same thread.

Thanos certainly defeated LT and the rest of the abstracts MUCH easier but I wouldn't say he did it in a thought.

But HOTU stomps. HOTU as anyone reasonable knows is still canon, despite what Author Statements say.

how is hotu canon ? just curious

Its been referenced by Thanos numerous times since it happened. Basically every story Starlin has written since then has referenced it.

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#28 Edited by Spambot (9029 posts) - - Show Bio

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The Beyonders are inconsistent, He defeated every abstract but died to a universal explosion while HOTU Thanos was Universal at best. Stalemate.

Not really universal at best. He took out the LT then destroyed either one universe or all universes. So I mean he's really universal at bare minimum. Possibly megaversal.

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#29 Edited by RampageTheFirst (5474 posts) - - Show Bio

@spambot: He's Universal when it comes to range, his powers didn't exceed his Universe and at the end of the arc, he only destroyed his own Universe which he clearly mentions quite a few times in the same issue. He's definitely Multiversal in terms of raw power and can definitely be scaled off to LT and other Multiversal abstracts he absorbed. I don't know what Megaversal is but he's definitely easily Multiversal and could be a bit above Multiversal in terms of raw power.

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#30 Posted by Spambot (9029 posts) - - Show Bio

@spambot: He's Universal when it comes to range, his powers didn't exceed his Universe and at the end of the arc, he only destroyed his own Universe which he clearly mentions quite a few times in the same issue. He's definitely Multiversal in terms of raw power and can definitely be scaled off to LT and other Multiversal abstracts he absorbed. I don't know what Megaversal is but he's definitely easily Multiversal and could be a bit above Multiversal in terms of raw power.

I think its quite debatable whether he only destroyed one universe. I think it would take an answer from Starlin to determine for sure. Regardless universal would be his bare minimum power level.

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#31 Posted by ReaperDewpider (84 posts) - - Show Bio

I vote Thanos, but I will add the disclaimer that this is not an informed opinion.

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#32 Posted by batmanprep (1782 posts) - - Show Bio

didnt weaker version thanos with snap of finger wiped away half of everything?? that feat is better than anything beyonder has shown. (LT didnt wanna intervene against Thanos either)

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#33 Posted by Supermanthor (4851 posts) - - Show Bio

@spambot: is hotu more powerful than someone like pre retcon beyonder ?

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#34 Posted by RampageTheFirst (5474 posts) - - Show Bio

@spambot: It's not really debatable whatsoever.

He confirms it in the last issue.

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He confirms it a couple of times prior to this panel as well.

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#35 Posted by Spambot (9029 posts) - - Show Bio

@rampagethefirst: I tend to agree that it points more toward him having destroyed his own universe but given the overall language used after Thanos absorbed the hotu and him having destroyed the LT I think there is some rationale that he could have destroyed all universes. It would seem it was within his power to do so and he says himself he kept going until no possible threats remained to him. I don't really care either way. So its a matter more of whether he could perceive the other universes so as to bother destroying them.

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#36 Edited by Sungsam (1803 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel and DC have historically interchanged Universe with Multiverse, and uses the word Dimension to mean many things making it almost impossible to be truly honest about what they mean all the time when they use such words.

The problem is that you don't know when Universe means "All of Existence" or if it is just 1 Space Time Continuum or a normal Universe. Or if dimension means a normal Universe or a pocket Universe or a Higher Spatio Temporal Dimension in Extradimensional String Theory Physics.

Example.

One such issue is that in Dark Knights Metal, Hypertime (which was supposed to be a codeword for Multiverse) was literally returned as a normal 5 Dimensional Multiverse but then it was stated to be outside the Multiverse. Which doesn't make any sense. Unless Multiverse in that context only means the 52. To which the same other stories use Multiverse to mean everything in the Source Wall. Then DC randomly changes the meaning of Multiverse from everything below the Newly Retconned Multiversal Source Wall, to just the Orrerry, or just the 52 Universes or a local Multiverse group. Because of such random flip flop confusion of writer terminology, it's difficult to gauge characters.

Marvel has this same issue.

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#37 Posted by RampageTheFirst (5474 posts) - - Show Bio

@spambot: Yeah, after he absorbed HoTU, he said he could feel everything in his reality and he could control every aspect of his reality. I don't think he could've destroyed other Universes since it's clearly in the name Heart of the "Universe" and he destroyed all possible threats in his own Universe.

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#38 Posted by Spambot (9029 posts) - - Show Bio

@spambot: Yeah, after he absorbed HoTU, he said he could feel everything in his reality and he could control every aspect of his reality. I don't think he could've destroyed other Universes since it's clearly in the name Heart of the "Universe" and he destroyed all possible threats in his own Universe.

Though in the comic I think the actual name Starlin used for it was Heart of the Infinite.

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#40 Posted by TheVoidofDeath (2079 posts) - - Show Bio

HOTI STOMPS,STOP THIS MADNESS.

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#41 Posted by TheVoidofDeath (2079 posts) - - Show Bio

@rampagethefirst: On Panel Thanos Absorbed the Multiverse, and this was certified in the Official Marvel Bio.

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#42 Edited by RampageTheFirst (5474 posts) - - Show Bio

@thevoidofdeath: I stand correct, it was a singular Universe that Thanos had absorbed. Not saying it makes his feat any less impressive, it's just that, most people think he absorbed the Omniverse or Multiverse, just clearing that part up and I do think he wins this battle fairly easily.

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Unless you're talking about another instance where it explicitly states he absorbed the Multiverse, can I please have scans of that?

People sometimes mistake Universe for Multiverse, considering how grand Thanos' feats were in this specific arc but I can assure you, he never absorbed anything more than a Universe.

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#43 Posted by Syntix (114 posts) - - Show Bio

@thevoidofdeath: I stand corrected, it was a singular Universe that Thanos had absorbed. Not saying it makes his feat any less impressive, it's just that, most people think he absorbed the Omniverse or Multiverse, just clearing that part up and I do think he wins this battle fairly easily.

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Unless you're talking about another instance where it explicitly states he absorbed the Multiverse, can I please have scans of that?

People sometimes mistake Universe for Multiverse, considering how grand Thanos' feats were in this specific arc but I can assure you, he never absorbed anything more than a Universe.

exactly this.

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#44 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1010 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#45 Posted by Kingant27 (16354 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos iMO.

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#46 Edited by Sungsam (1803 posts) - - Show Bio

You see writers DO historically interchangeably use Universe to Multiverse. Many times.

This is because the average reader is not so keen or experienced on comprehending the idea of a Multiverse, if you tell the average joe bloke "Multiverse" sometimes they don't know what hell that means. They're like "wut"? Or at least some of them.

While the term Universe excites more of the idea of "EVERYTHING IN EXISTENCE" formally in our normative culture since Universe is more known. In real life, Universe means everything in existence, not a local time space, 1 out of an Infinity of existence in a Multiverse... Universe in real life means EVERYTHING. Since everything we know is just this vast Universe. It gets the point across better sometimes to use Universe to mean everything than Multiverse.

So writers tend to use the word Universe more often than Multiverse to describe a totality of existence.

That doesn't mean HOTU absorbed the Multiverse, and every mention of Universe means Multiverse. I totally agree, but we have to know WHY writers use Universe then Multiverse and know when what means what. So we can get a better understanding in future discussions.

Some fictions that have Multiverses never even use the word Multiverse, but rather they say that a Single Universe has Infinite Timelines inside it. Their word for Multiverse is a Universe and their word for Universe is a Timeline.

You have to understand the context decently and critically when we use these words.

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