@yasindermann:
Calm your emotions. Anywho, people are still debating whether or not TOAA is an omnipotent, this is why I still say his an issue. In consequence, I've been getting bombardments from amino users stating Toaa is omnipotent ... Having said this, Mr. Master and Killemal cleared the entire Beyonder being exhausted and the multiversal attack where Beyonder wanted to be sent back etc. (I'll be happy to explain the entirety again) I sided with Sungsam when he stated in his blog the following, these aren't my words but his. (Did you see where it said Beyonder and TOAA aren't omnipotent )
"0-S: Unsurpassable Infinity
The level that cannot be surpassed but only matched. Contains and surpasses all Infinite levels of Infinity, Transfinity, and Higher-Dimensions and Metaphysics.
Possesses the most powerful versions imaginable and unimaginable of every power you can think of whether it be Megaversal, Metaversal, Outerversal, Reality Warping, Plot Manipulation, Higher Dimensional Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation, beyond Conceptual Transcension, etc.
This level is supposed to cater to the views of those who believe Omnipotence can be used in battles and those who do not. All contradictory views are absolved into this tier.
The idea is that True Infinity which cannot be surpassed =/= True Omnipotence
I am tired of getting into arguments with people, on how I view things. I've posted this in other places, so now you understand what I think.
EXAMPLES:
The One Above All (Marvel/ Beyonder Pre-Retcon) Cannot be surpassed, only matched. Doesn't need to be a True Omnipotent to be this strong. But anyone, not True-Infinity and below cannot beat it.
The Presence (DC/JM De Matteis Interpretation) Cannot be surpassed, only matched. Doesn't need to be a True Omnipotent to be this strong. But anyone, not True-Infinity and below cannot beat it.
The Writer (DC/Morrison Interpretation) Cannot be surpassed, only matched. Doesn't need to be a True Omnipotent to be this strong. But anyone, not True-Infinity and below cannot beat it.
The Creator (Umineko When They Cry) Cannot be surpassed, only matched. Doesn't need to be a True Omnipotent to be this strong. But anyone, not True-Infinity and below cannot beat it.
If you do not like the idea of Omnipotence, then think if you will, Unsurpassable Infinity does not equate to Omnipotence, think if you will, this does not equate to an NLF (for those who use NLFs against Omnipotents) because 0-As cannot surpass unsurpassable infinity so their power does have a limit so NLF does not apply against this tier. Inapplicable Criticism cannot invalidate an idea that it cannot be applied to.
If you like Omnipotence, then think if you will, that Unsurpassable Infinity is the Paradoxical, Eldritch Supreme Omnipotence that can never be surpassed but only matched by other True Omnipotents in other fictions.
See? Now you can see, that debaters who like Omnipotence can now freely debate with those debaters that don't like Omnipotence and only use Scholastic Omnipotence (like VSBattles and Spacebattles) can now use the same terminologies while interpreting it differently without having to conflict with one another.
Notice, that my system is not saying that these guys are Truly Omnipotent. Only that in a fictional fight, they cannot be surpassed. Which is not the same.
You can imagine that 0-S characters are only Scholastically Omnipotent and not capable of doing paradoxes, but still can crush anyone who is below Unsurpassable Infinity. If you like the idea of Omnipotence, feel free to think Unsurpassable Infinity as True Omnipotence and Paradoxical.
But we need a power level where EVERYTHING ENDS. Regardless of your view of Omnipotence. This tier can be interpreted as True Omnipotence, Supreme Omnipotence or Absolute Omnipotence or just Scholastic Omnipotence. But what everyone should agree is that non-True Infinites cannot surpass or beat this level.
This was designed for debaters of multiple views from Spacebattles folks, Dimensional tierists and Cosmology Tierists and Megaverse tierists of the like to at least use a Tiering System that uses these multiple contradicting models of gauging Infinity for neutral ground debating. It is definitely hard when debating characters from different universes or companies.
The rest of the Tiering System goes like this. The very first rule is that there are two types of Infinities in the category.
Again, SURPASSABLE INFINITY which can be surpassed by Higher Dimensional Non-Omnipotents and UNSURPASSABLE INFINITY surpassable only by Suggsverse characters. Take note, Surpassable Infinity and Transfinite Infinity are synonyms.
Also, take note:
Dimensions in different fictions can mean somewhere between meaning a Cluster of Multiverses within a Megaversal system, to meaning a Level of Existence infinitely greater than a Normal Multiverse. This system is meant to assume equality that a Megaverse infinitely larger than a Baseline Multiverse is equivalent to a Higher Dimension infinitely larger than a Baseline Multiverse.
This is the Cardinal Multiversal Infinity Level.
Cardinal 1 or Universe Level: The ability to destroy an Infinite Sized Universe or destroying an Infinite number of Finite sized Universes. This can be Infinite Universe level like the Jade Emperor in Chinese Mythology is. Destroying an Infinite Sized Universe can be enough to make you this strong. This is 4-Dimensional by comparison and sometimes just destroying an infinite number of 3-D.
Cardinal 2 or Level 1 Multiverse Level: The ability to destroy a baseline of Surpassable Infinite number of Universes that each are infinite in 3-Dimensional and 4-Dimensional space. This is 5-Dimensional by definition. And BASELINE Multiversal.
Cardinal 3 or Level 2 Multiverse Level: The ability to destroy a Multiverse of a Surpassable Infinite Number of Multiverses with infinite 3-D sized Universes or destroying a Higher Dimension that is infinitely larger than a Baseline Multiverse. This is 6-Dimensional by definition and BASELINE Megaversal. Take note that if you destroy an Infinite number of Baseline Multiversal beings or if you are infinitely greater than a Cardinal 2. And so on and so forth.
Cardinal 4 or Level 3 Multiverse Level: 7-Dimensional, Destroy an Infinite number of Megaverses or be infinitely stronger than a Megaversal by the level of existence.
Cardinal 5 or Level 4 Multiverse Level: 8-Dimensional, Destroy an Infinite number of Multi-Megaverses or be infinitely stronger than a Megaversal by the level of existence.
Cardinal 6 or Level 5 Multiverse Level: 9-Dimensional, Destroy an Infinite number of Multi-Megaverses or be infinitely stronger than a Megaversal by the level of existence.
Cardinal 7 or Level 6 Multiverse Level:10-Dimensional, you get the idea.
NOTE: That some fictions do not follow the same idea of Extra-Dimensions and Megaverses and Metaverses the same way the system does. If a fiction uses Baseline Multiversal statements for describing what he calls a 10-Dimensional Multiverse, we apply death to the author and just assume the construct is only Cardinal 2 or Cardinal 1 with the author not understanding the potential of the Pseudo-Science he uses for his work.
Some fictions break the definition of Dimensions altogether, like the 5-Dimensional Imps since DC's 5th Dimension contains Infinite Generations of Multiverse (Metaverse) and would be Metaversal by comparison.
This is the Cardinal Metaverse Infinity level
Infinite-Dimensional, Infinite Layered or Infinite Generations of Multiverse level power and beyond.
Beings who are more powerful than an Infinitely Layered Construct whether it be Infinite Generations of Multiverses (DC's Metaverse) or Infinite Higher Levels of Existence (Umineko).
This tiering system sees no superiority between the Definition of Dimension where it means a greater cluster of Megaverses against a higher Dimension infinitely greater than a Normal Multiverse. As the two definitions of Higher Dimension are equal in Surpassable Infinity terms.
Regardless of structure, a Metaversal structure is Infinite Levels of Infinity regardless of how it is purposefully constructed.
Metaverse Level 1: Characters are baseline Infinite Dimensional, or can destroy an Infinite Dimensional Multiverse (Infinite Generations of Timelines or Infinite Levels of Existence above a Multiverse)
Metaverse Level 2: Characters can destroy an Infinite Number of Baseline Infinite Dimensional beings or fight multitudes of them. Like Beyonder did when he fought the Celestials that were fighting him on countless levels of reality.
And so on and so forth. Feel free to have me correct or change the terminology. Note that all Metaversal and Multiversal infinities are just Surpassable and Countable and Transfinite Infinities. And are not Truly Infinity as only Scholastic Omnipotents are like this.
NOTE: Some Infinite Dimensional Multiverses in fiction, however, only have finite number of Timelines in each of those dimensions (like I/0) as such, would hardly count as TRUE Metaversal.
And that's the end of it!!!!!!!!!
So the system goes: Unsurpassable Infinity >>>>>>>>> Metaversal Infinity >>>>>>>>> Multiversal Infinity.
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