Beyonder vs Galactus

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Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2265 posts) - - Show Bio

I say Galactus wins.   

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#1 Posted by morpheus_ (35146 posts) - - Show Bio
Which version of the Beyonder is this?
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#2 Posted by Superparody (2106 posts) - - Show Bio

well since he didnt post what version...I will assume its pre retcon...
BEYONDER STOMPS GALACTUS SO HARD HE CRIES BLOOD
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#3 Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2265 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_:
@Superparody said:
"well since he didnt post what version...I will assume its pre retcon...BEYONDER STOMPS GALACTUS SO HARD HE CRIES BLOOD "

post retconn
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#4 Edited by xan84 (4232 posts) - - Show Bio
@Superparody said:

"well since he didnt post what version...I will assume its pre retcon...BEYONDER STOMPS GALACTUS SO HARD HE CRIES BLOOD "


If the OP is not saying what type we are using then we are using curent whatever. 
 
So this is curent Beyonder vs Galactus. I am not familiar with curent Beyonder but i belive his an inhuman.
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#5 Posted by Superparody (2106 posts) - - Show Bio
@Xan said:
"@Superparody said:

"well since he didnt post what version...I will assume its pre retcon...BEYONDER STOMPS GALACTUS SO HARD HE CRIES BLOOD "

If the OP is not saying what type we are using then we are using curent whatever.  So this is curent Beyonder vs Galactus. I am not familiar with curent Beyonder but i belive his an inhuman. "

awww you guys ruined my buzzz... 
I think Galactus can take the current version
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#6 Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2265 posts) - - Show Bio
@Superparody said:
"@Xan said:
"@Superparody said:

"well since he didnt post what version...I will assume its pre retcon...BEYONDER STOMPS GALACTUS SO HARD HE CRIES BLOOD "

If the OP is not saying what type we are using then we are using curent whatever.  So this is curent Beyonder vs Galactus. I am not familiar with curent Beyonder but i belive his an inhuman. "
awww you guys ruined my buzzz... I think Galactus can take the current version "

i agree
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#7 Edited by morpheus_ (35146 posts) - - Show Bio
There is no way of telling. The current version has only appeared in one issue.
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#8 Posted by Baldy (4960 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" There is no way of telling. The current version has only appeared in one issue.
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Yeah, I agree. We really need to see more of him before we can tell whether Galactus is stronger or not.
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#9 Posted by They Killed Cap! (2268 posts) - - Show Bio
@Superparody:

I just read Secret War for the first time...when did re-con  occur...is that Secret War 2 
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#10 Posted by morpheus_ (35146 posts) - - Show Bio
@Baldy said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" There is no way of telling. The current version has only appeared in one issue.
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Yeah, I agree. We really need to see more of him before we can tell whether Galactus is stronger or not. "
While he appeared to be immensely powerful, we have no idea as to the limitations he may have. Many characters may appear omnipotent, without being anywhere near it.
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#11 Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2265 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @Baldy said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" There is no way of telling. The current version has only appeared in one issue.
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Yeah, I agree. We really need to see more of him before we can tell whether Galactus is stronger or not. "
While he appeared to be immensely powerful, we have no idea as to the limitations he may have. Many characters may appear omnipotent, without being anywhere near it. "

he isn't omnipotent, but he has control over all matter and reality. 
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#12 Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2265 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @Baldy said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" There is no way of telling. The current version has only appeared in one issue.
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Yeah, I agree. We really need to see more of him before we can tell whether Galactus is stronger or not. "
While he appeared to be immensely powerful, we have no idea as to the limitations he may have. Many characters may appear omnipotent, without being anywhere near it. "

i mean he has control over matter and reality to an extent, but immensely powerful foes have been seen to overpower him, and galactus is one of them. 
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#13 Edited by morpheus_ (35146 posts) - - Show Bio
@Violet-Eyed Dragon said:

" @Morpheus_ said:

" @Baldy said:

" @Morpheus_ said:
" There is no way of telling. The current version has only appeared in one issue.
"
Yeah, I agree. We really need to see more of him before we can tell whether Galactus is stronger or not. "
While he appeared to be immensely powerful, we have no idea as to the limitations he may have. Many characters may appear omnipotent, without being anywhere near it. "
i mean he has control over matter and reality to an extent, but immensely powerful foes have been seen to overpower him, and galactus is one of them.  "
 

How did you come up with these conclusions, seeing that he has only appeared in one issue?
 
If you imply Galactus has displayed abilities that exceed current Beyonder, you could very well be correct (mostly because we don't know how powerful the mutant Inhuman Beyonder really is), but it's fallacious to theorise without data. You may retain the opinion that Galan would win, but I just can't give an estimation.

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#14 Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2265 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
"@Violet-Eyed Dragon said:

" @Morpheus_ said:

" @Baldy said:

" @Morpheus_ said:
" There is no way of telling. The current version has only appeared in one issue.
"
Yeah, I agree. We really need to see more of him before we can tell whether Galactus is stronger or not. "
While he appeared to be immensely powerful, we have no idea as to the limitations he may have. Many characters may appear omnipotent, without being anywhere near it. "
i mean he has control over matter and reality to an extent, but immensely powerful foes have been seen to overpower him, and galactus is one of them.  "
 

How did you come up with these conclusions, seeing that he has only appeared in one issue?
 
If you imply Galactus has displayed abilities that exceed current Beyonder, you could very well be correct (mostly because we don't know how powerful the mutant Inhuman Beyonder really is), but it's fallacious to theorise without data. You may retain the opinion that Galan would win, but I just can't give an estimation.

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he has been in a lot of issues.  the retconn about his powers occured years before his most recent retconn, which is simply on his origin.
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#15 Posted by morpheus_ (35146 posts) - - Show Bio
@Violet-Eyed Dragon said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
"@Violet-Eyed Dragon said:

" @Morpheus_ said:

" @Baldy said:

" @Morpheus_ said:
" There is no way of telling. The current version has only appeared in one issue.
"
Yeah, I agree. We really need to see more of him before we can tell whether Galactus is stronger or not. "
While he appeared to be immensely powerful, we have no idea as to the limitations he may have. Many characters may appear omnipotent, without being anywhere near it. "
i mean he has control over matter and reality to an extent, but immensely powerful foes have been seen to overpower him, and galactus is one of them.  "
 

How did you come up with these conclusions, seeing that he has only appeared in one issue?
 
If you imply Galactus has displayed abilities that exceed current Beyonder, you could very well be correct (mostly because we don't know how powerful the mutant Inhuman Beyonder really is), but it's fallacious to theorise without data. You may retain the opinion that Galan would win, but I just can't give an estimation.

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he has been in a lot of issues.  the retconn about his powers occured years before his most recent retconn, which is simply on his origin. "
Then by that standard the Beyonder as we know him is Kosmos, (s)he is dead, and Galactus would beat him/her without strain at all. Satisfied?
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#16 Posted by Tevnoba (3451 posts) - - Show Bio

First of all the retcons have changed the Beyonder's power level (but all of them are above Galan).
 
PreRetcon Beyonder was Marvel's answer to The-One-Above-All (from another Megaverse), before there was The-One-Above-All.  He was supposed to be Omnipotent.  This was the Beyonder from Secret Wars I & II.
 
1st Retcon of the Beyonder, had his a part of the cosmic cube (which later became Ksomos), the reamianing part of the cosmic cube woke up Owen Reece's power and Owen was stated to be stronger then the Beyonder.  BTW, a cosmic cube >>> Galan. The events in Secret Wars I & II were said to be the Beyonder's imagination.
 
2nd Retcon of the Beyonder is the current one, he is a nigh-omnipotent Mutant Inhuman.  Although he is weaker than his original form he is again higher on the food chain as the events of Secret Wars I & II were again given credit and not as the Beyonder's imagination.

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#17 Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2265 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tevnoba said:
"First of all the retcons have changed the Beyonder's power level (but all of them are above Galan).  PreRetcon Beyonder was Marvel's answer to The-One-Above-All (from another Megaverse), before there was The-One-Above-All.  He was supposed to be Omnipotent.  This was the Beyonder from Secret Wars I & II.  1st Retcon of the Beyonder, had his a part of the cosmic cube (which later became Ksomos), the reamianing part of the cosmic cube woke up Owen Reece's power and Owen was stated to be stronger then the Beyonder.  BTW, a cosmic cube >>> Galan. The events in Secret Wars I & II were said to be the Beyonder's imagination. 2nd Retcon of the Beyonder is the current one, he is a nigh-omnipotent Mutant Inhuman.  Although he is weaker than his original form he is again higher on the food chain as the events of Secret Wars I & II were again given credit and not as the Beyonder's imagination. "
but hes not omnipotent he is just a powerful inhuman.
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#18 Posted by real2all1 (20 posts) - - Show Bio

I really haven't kept in touch with all the comic going on in a few years.  I still have a considerable collection and have a really good memmory of all the story lines.  Second beyonder kosmos is in no way as powerful as Galactus.  Kosmos is of a finite element while Galactus is infinite to a degree.  that is what seperates the two.  The Cosmic cube was or is a very powerful object, but in no way can out do the infinity gems.  The beyonder of old, in my opinion was even stronger than the infinity gems.  The gems combined was the power and the beyonder by himself was the power to "unmake or undo Power", according to Doctor Strange. That is just my opinion...
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#19 Posted by Tevnoba (3451 posts) - - Show Bio
@real2all1 said:
" I really haven't kept in touch with all the comic going on in a few years.  I still have a considerable collection and have a really good memmory of all the story lines.  Second beyonder kosmos is in no way as powerful as Galactus.  Kosmos is of a finite element while Galactus is infinite to a degree.  that is what seperates the two.  The Cosmic cube was or is a very powerful object, but in no way can out do the infinity gems.  The beyonder of old, in my opinion was even stronger than the infinity gems.  The gems combined was the power and the beyonder by himself was the power to "unmake or undo Power", according to Doctor Strange. That is just my opinion... "
A cosmic cube >>>> Galactus.  Galactus is not infinite, in any way shape or form.  Neither is a cosmic cube, but it still has the power to affect things on a universal scale.
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#20 Posted by real2all1 (20 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tevnoba:
Thank you, 
Galactus is without a doubt very powerful and in my opinion more powerful than kosmos the new form of the beyonder.  Trying to find out who is the more powerful is a mute point.  That is a level of power way beyond the scope of human understanding, but Galactus is my best bet for the dominating force, because Galactus is not motivated by good and evil, those are comcept terms. Galactus is neither good nor evil and those concept have no sway on him. Galacus is the third force in the universe.  1st is the living tribrunal, 2nd is Eternity and lastly is Galactus. Pretty heavy hitters.  Really powerful beings, but Thanos of Titan wipped all their behinds with the power of the Infinity gems,  as well as the Beyonder of old. 
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#21 Posted by They Killed Cap! (2268 posts) - - Show Bio
@Superparody:
whats recon beyounder new powers?
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#22 Edited by ___Living_Tribunal_22__ (443 posts) - - Show Bio


whats recon beyounder new powers? 
 

* Super strength (Class 100+) 
* Super speed (FTL) 
* Super stamina (Nigh-limitless) 
* Massive cosmic energy manipulation (His explosion at the end of Secret Wars III caused the birth of a new universe)
* Durabilty (Universal) 
* Dimensional manipulation 
* Telekinesis 
* Cosmic Awareness 
* Matter Manipulation 
* Immortality 
* Soul manipulation 
* Universal scale-reality warping 
 
He seems slightly more powerful than Galactus.
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#23 Posted by jec777 (287 posts) - - Show Bio

current beyonder is a inhuman with mortal emotions, galactus is beyond that, no pun intended.  this would almost be like vulcan vs galactus.  omega level mutant vs galactus. galactus wins everytime, he is just to far above that.
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#24 Posted by higher_evolutionary (2127 posts) - - Show Bio
@jec777 said:
current beyonder is a inhuman with mortal emotions, galactus is beyond that, no pun intended.  this would almost be like vulcan vs galactus.  omega level mutant vs galactus. galactus wins everytime, he is just to far above that.
didnt vulcan get casually defeated by gladiator
 
someone tell me why a full powered galan cant take cube level beings wasnt it stated many times that the power cosmic is limitless
 
prob that galan is written like a doormat
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#25 Posted by jec777 (287 posts) - - Show Bio

galactus is still just a infint in the marvel universe.  he will be there at the end of the universe, and he will probally be the cause of its destruction.  he will absorb all matter into himself and after forcing eternity to bond with the last living being thus creating a new galactus for the next universe to come,  a new big bang will occur and it starts all over.  the beyonder just dosn't have the grasp of how this is possible, he is mortal.
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#26 Posted by Jezer (3409 posts) - - Show Bio
@jec777 said:


                    current beyonder is a inhuman with mortal emotions, galactus is beyond that, no pun intended.  this would almost be like vulcan vs galactus.  omega level mutant vs galactus. galactus wins everytime, he is just to far above that.

                   

               

Appeal to status logical fallacy. 
Your argument seems to hinge on the idea that regardless of how powerful current beyonder is, because he's not the same level of entity as Galactus, he'd lose. 
Not a genuine argument.
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#27 Posted by jec777 (287 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jezer said:


                    @jec777 said:


                    current beyonder is a inhuman with mortal emotions, galactus is beyond that, no pun intended.  this would almost be like vulcan vs galactus.  omega level mutant vs galactus. galactus wins everytime, he is just to far above that.

                   

               
Appeal to status logical fallacy. Your argument seems to hinge on the idea that regardless of how powerful current beyonder is, because he's not the same level of entity as Galactus, he'd lose. Not a genuine argument.

                   

               

but it is a fact
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#28 Posted by higher_evolutionary (2127 posts) - - Show Bio
@jec777
now thats just fanboyism
 
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#29 Posted by Jezer (3409 posts) - - Show Bio
@jec777 said:


                    @Jezer said:


                    @jec777 said:


                    current beyonder is a inhuman with mortal emotions, galactus is beyond that, no pun intended.  this would almost be like vulcan vs galactus.  omega level mutant vs galactus. galactus wins everytime, he is just to far above that.

                   

               
Appeal to status logical fallacy. Your argument seems to hinge on the idea that regardless of how powerful current beyonder is, because he's not the same level of entity as Galactus, he'd lose. Not a genuine argument.

                   

               
but it is a fact

                   

               

Yo, you're not as popular a user here as...Buckshot. Or whoever's in those Debate Hall of Fame threads. They are higher level debaters than you.  
Thus, if you got into an argument with them, they'd be right. 
 
^This is a fact--Ohwait, no. This is a logical fallacy and not an argument.
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#30 Posted by galactus1967 (881 posts) - - Show Bio

I`m a huge Galactus fan,anyone that have seen me post knows this.All I know is the big-B`s power went to spiderman for a billionth of a second ,and he brutalizes the heros of earth(and Galactus)and remade the universe in that time.And I think that was inhuman version Beyonder!

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#31 Posted by galactus1967 (881 posts) - - Show Bio

I just made a long post and it got erased!short version.Galactus can usually match any foe,by consuming extra planets.With a pre-retcon beyonder,he could consume the whole multi-verse and it still would not be enough.The only chance is his tech,thats how doom beat him.and who knows how the ultimate nullifier would effect him?

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#32 Posted by Kingant27 (16934 posts) - - Show Bio

Galactus wins.

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#33 Edited by mysticmedivh (32254 posts) - - Show Bio

I just made a long post and it got erased!short version.Galactus can usually match any foe,by consuming extra planets.With a pre-retcon beyonder,he could consume the whole multi-verse and it still would not be enough.The only chance is his tech,thats how doom beat him.and who knows how the ultimate nullifier would effect him?

Doctor Doom never defeated Pre-Recton Beyonder.

Pre-Recton Beyonder already swatted Galactus like a fly.

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#34 Edited by galactus1967 (881 posts) - - Show Bio

I am well aware of that my friend,as far as if Doom beat the Beyonder,willingly or no is just a matter of opinion.I am not trying to dispute pre-retcone Beyonders power,I know he swatted Big-G like he was a bug.(my favorite character by the way)I would just like to see him fire the nullifier on the Beyonder before he had a chance to react.As to would it do anything to him is all speculation at this point.And I can`t wait for full power Beyonder and Owen for that matter to come back at full power!

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#35 Posted by BEYONDERGOD (1946 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder (Cosmic Cube) Stomps Galactus

Beyonder (Kosmos) Galactus Stomps

Beyonder (Inhuman) Stomps Galactus

Ultimate Nullifier wont even hurt beyonder......it wont even make him worry.

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#36 Edited by jagernutt (17838 posts) - - Show Bio

@galactus1967:

Actually Big G and Beyonder never truly faced off with each other in Secret Wars 1. It was the barriers between dimensions that repulsed Galactus.

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#37 Posted by galactus1967 (881 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh i agree juggs,but unless Galactus can somehow absorb all the energy from hyperspace.Or the beyonder himself,And I am talking pre-retcon Big-B here.I don`t have enough info to proclaim him the most powerful being in the multi-verse again.But when Spider-man had the power to beat all the heros and Big-G(with the Beyonders power for a billionth of a second)Kind of pissed me off.Because moondragon had just built Bib-G up saying he had no dimensions or boundaries.And what we seen was the tip of the iceberg. So it is the marvel writers not doing their homework again,(and big-B was my favorite character in the 80`s)but G is now.So I just want everyone to be represented correctly.the writers at Marvel seem not to care.They will bring back full power Beyonder again,along with Owen.And with Help Owen will beat the Beyonder again.Count on it!

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#38 Edited by pooty (16236 posts) - - Show Bio

@beyondergod: What are the feats of Inhuman Beyonder? Side question: If Beyonder is an Inhuman. What is current Molecule Man?(the one who fought Sentry)

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#39 Posted by christianrapper (6596 posts) - - Show Bio

is beyonder evil? i can never gauge him.

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#40 Posted by galactus1967 (881 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: You must be new here,buy thats cool,Owen has been depowered because.None of us know.good question,now answer.Thier isn`t one.I have been trying to figure this out for a while now.The marvel writers won`t tell us so take your best guess.

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#41 Edited by lordraiden (9666 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: You must be new here,buy thats cool,Owen has been depowered because.None of us know.good question,now answer.Thier isn`t one.I have been trying to figure this out for a while now.The marvel writers won`t tell us so take your best guess.

Have you had a look at his posts compared to yours?? I can safely say he's been around here a lot longer than you lol

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#42 Posted by galactus1967 (881 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes I have ,and I admit he has more posts on this site than me.But I lost my silver medal due to changing my cc number.and I have over 4000 comic books that date back to 1961.Mostly marvel,So don`t equate posts with experience.So his posts numbers mean nothing,I have been reading Marvel comics for 41 years.So don`t assume you no it all when I have probably been reading comics before you where alive.

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#43 Posted by galactus1967 (881 posts) - - Show Bio

Also Michel julious,Used to post around here ,I made him look so bad because of the proof I had ,not opinion.that he was wrong about Odin against Galactus.And I proved him wrong so bad he did not even post Back.Because I provided back round info that couldn`t be disputed.Now I`m not trying to bury M.J he was a smart poster who probably didn`t have the experience I had.But I have a feelling I could do that to a lot of 20 something guys,So if you Want to be the next victem postI`ll put out a challenge I`m almost 47 and have been collecting Marvel comics for 42 years now.In fact if I go on ebay i have to count the issues I don`t got(have almost all of them).

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#44 Posted by Noone301994 (22169 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder pretty easily.

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#45 Posted by pooty (16236 posts) - - Show Bio

@galactus1967: You must be new here

What makes you say im new "here". Regardless of how long i've been reading comics it's obvious that i'm not new to this site.

So don`t equate posts with experience

Who is equating post with experience? @lordraiden was pointing out that my post count and join date prove i've been on the site for some time.

So don`t assume you no it all

There must be a misunderstanding. It actually seems like you were assuming i'm new to comics for some reason. But no one is doubting your knowledge or experience. and no one wants to challenge you. It was just odd that you thought I was "new here" when my post count/join date show otherwise.

Owen has been depowered because.None of us know.good question,now answer.Thier isn`t one.I have been trying to figure this out for a while now.The marvel writers won`t tell us so take your best guess

Thanks for verifying what i thought. A new secret wars is coming out. maybe that will shed some light.

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#46 Posted by galactus1967 (881 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: I`m sorry, I just thought because you where asking questions that you may have been new here((I didn`t look at your post count ,my bad)I come to this site because I enjoy Debating about comics.And I didn`t mean to slight the 12,000 or so posts you made.It`s obvious you like reading comics too,I enjoy a good debate with a knowledgeable person like yourself.So please don`t take it personally my mistake.

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#47 Edited by pooty (16236 posts) - - Show Bio

@galactus1967: lol@galactus1967: No problem, my Friend. I assume you were born about 1967. I didn't mean to disrespect a SENIOR CITIZEN!! just playing. hope I can get to that age

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#48 Posted by galactus1967 (881 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: Oh !Thanks for making me feel so old!I`m just kidding it`s all good,and I`m glad you where nice enough to accept my apology.If we ever have a debate over something,I can get a little too harsh.But don`t ever take it personally.I just love to argue with the posters on this site,I just think people into comics are cool(no matter the AGE of that person).And I don`t know the date yet but when the Beyonder returns.I can`t wait to read it,I just hope he is restored to original power levels.Even though I know they will find some B.S reason to stop him

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#49 Edited by skyroid (2646 posts) - - Show Bio

in beyonder's dream(pre retcon), he god stomps

if its not beyonder in his dream (which is the most powerful version of him) then idk

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#50 Posted by galactus1967 (881 posts) - - Show Bio

@beyondergod: I admit even when spiderman has Beyonders power (for a billionth of a second) he drops Galactus.But that does not mean the ultimate nullifier wouldn`t destroy Big-B.It has never been used against him ,and just may be the one weapon that can beat him.It is a multi-versal weapon and no one seems to know the extant of it`s full power.Galactus himself has only used it as a weapon once against Korvac,but he managed to kill himself and fled to the future to avoid the beams.Also we don`t know G`s power level when he fought spiderman.