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Round 1 : Scathan the Approver
Round 2 : Though Robot
Round 3 : Oblivion
Round 4 : Death of the Endless
Round 5 : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
Round 6 : Michael Demiurgos
Round 7 : Lucifer Morningstar
Round 8 : Lucifer and Michael
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Round 1 : Scathan the Approver
Round 2 : Though Robot
Round 3 : Oblivion
Round 4 : Death of the Endless
Round 5 : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
Round 6 : Michael Demiurgos
Round 7 : Lucifer Morningstar
Round 8 : Lucifer and Michael
These are somewhat meaningless, it gets to a point where it's too abstract to try and say something concrete about
Stops at 5. Scathan is a meme and not worth talking about.
Molecule Man has been shown to directly compete with Beyonder, and seems to be his equal in many ways.
Isn't pre-retcon beyonder supposed to be omnipotent ?
If you are referring to examples of him being dubbed "omnipotent" by the author, don't take them for granted. The likes of Odin and Galactus have also been dubbed as such in their stories, but clearly aren't.
That being said, he was implied to be the TOAA of his own universe, so that would apply if the battle was taking place there.
@diarrhearegatta: If he is the TOAA of his own universe , then doesn't he defeat everyone except other omnipotents ?
And is it possible that all supreme beings (presence , tori bot , TOAA Etc) are all just beyonders who left the beyond realm and started their own multiverses ?
Isn't pre-retcon beyonder supposed to be omnipotent ?
No, just no. We give a shit about author statements. PRB showed many feats that refute his omnipotence.
Gaunlet a little bit out of order. Stops at 3. The infinite-cosmology from DC is too much for Beyonder, since there are places in the DC multiverse that transcend the infinite-dimensional space-time continuum by an infinite amount. Beyonder just transcend the infinite-dimensional cosmology by an finite amount with his ''Million times stronger than the multiverse''. But that's it. Owen said that he is infinite above the marvel verse, but this get's refuted by the fact that Owen could face him. This is the same thing when beings with omnipotent statements get's debunked. Anyway, Death of the endless transcend places like new gods realm, where the infinite-dimensional space-time continuum get's viewed as infinitesimal. Far above Beyonder, who just transcend infinite-D by an FINITE amount and not by an INFINITE amount.
Stops at 5. Scathan is a meme and not worth talking about.
Molecule Man has been shown to directly compete with Beyonder, and seems to be his equal in many ways.
Smh....
Stops at 8.
Stops at 4.
This
Isn't pre-retcon beyonder supposed to be omnipotent ?
No, just no. We give a shit about author statements. PRB showed many feats that refute his omnipotence.
Gaunlet a little bit out of order. Stops at 3. The infinite-cosmology from DC is too much for Beyonder, since there are places in the DC multiverse that transcend the infinite-dimensional space-time continuum by an infinite amount. Beyonder just transcend the infinite-dimensional cosmology by an finite amount with his ''Million times stronger than the multiverse''. But that's it. Owen said that he is infinite above the marvel verse, but this get's refuted by the fact that Owen could face him. This is the same thing when beings with omnipotent statements get's debunked. Anyway, Death of the endless transcend places like new gods realm, where the infinite-dimensional space-time continuum get's viewed as infinitesimal. Far above Beyonder, who just transcend infinite-D by an FINITE amount and not by an INFINITE amount.
And This
Stops at 6.
Isn't pre-retcon beyonder supposed to be omnipotent ?
No, just no. We give a shit about author statements. PRB showed many feats that refute his omnipotence.
Gaunlet a little bit out of order. Stops at 3. The infinite-cosmology from DC is too much for Beyonder, since there are places in the DC multiverse that transcend the infinite-dimensional space-time continuum by an infinite amount. Beyonder just transcend the infinite-dimensional cosmology by an finite amount with his ''Million times stronger than the multiverse''. But that's it. Owen said that he is infinite above the marvel verse, but this get's refuted by the fact that Owen could face him. This is the same thing when beings with omnipotent statements get's debunked. Anyway, Death of the endless transcend places like new gods realm, where the infinite-dimensional space-time continuum get's viewed as infinitesimal. Far above Beyonder, who just transcend infinite-D by an FINITE amount and not by an INFINITE amount.
And This
Transcending something doesn't make you capable of destroying the said thing, it only shows, you can go beyond/outside said thing.
Isn't pre-retcon beyonder supposed to be omnipotent ?
No, just no. We give a shit about author statements. PRB showed many feats that refute his omnipotence.
Gaunlet a little bit out of order. Stops at 3. The infinite-cosmology from DC is too much for Beyonder, since there are places in the DC multiverse that transcend the infinite-dimensional space-time continuum by an infinite amount. Beyonder just transcend the infinite-dimensional cosmology by an finite amount with his ''Million times stronger than the multiverse''. But that's it. Owen said that he is infinite above the marvel verse, but this get's refuted by the fact that Owen could face him. This is the same thing when beings with omnipotent statements get's debunked. Anyway, Death of the endless transcend places like new gods realm, where the infinite-dimensional space-time continuum get's viewed as infinitesimal. Far above Beyonder, who just transcend infinite-D by an FINITE amount and not by an INFINITE amount.
And This
Transcending something doesn't make you capable of destroying the said thing, it only shows, you can go beyond/outside said thing.
Um, you know that those realms get's implied to be infinite bigger than the previous place? Of course place 2 is bigger than place 1 then. And infinite transcend this place would automatically implie that they can destroy it, since they view it as infinite small and meaningless then.
Isn't pre-retcon beyonder supposed to be omnipotent ?
No, just no. We give a shit about author statements. PRB showed many feats that refute his omnipotence.
Gaunlet a little bit out of order. Stops at 3. The infinite-cosmology from DC is too much for Beyonder, since there are places in the DC multiverse that transcend the infinite-dimensional space-time continuum by an infinite amount. Beyonder just transcend the infinite-dimensional cosmology by an finite amount with his ''Million times stronger than the multiverse''. But that's it. Owen said that he is infinite above the marvel verse, but this get's refuted by the fact that Owen could face him. This is the same thing when beings with omnipotent statements get's debunked. Anyway, Death of the endless transcend places like new gods realm, where the infinite-dimensional space-time continuum get's viewed as infinitesimal. Far above Beyonder, who just transcend infinite-D by an FINITE amount and not by an INFINITE amount.
And This
Transcending something doesn't make you capable of destroying the said thing, it only shows, you can go beyond/outside said thing.
Um, you know that those realms get's implied to be infinite bigger than the previous place? Of course place 2 is bigger than place 1 then. And infinite transcend this place would automatically implie that they can destroy it, since they view it as infinite small and meaningless then.
Death doesn't view those places like that. It is similar to Dimensional Tiering. Beyonder has better Destructive Power feats.
Isn't pre-retcon beyonder supposed to be omnipotent ?
No, just no. We give a shit about author statements. PRB showed many feats that refute his omnipotence.
Gaunlet a little bit out of order. Stops at 3. The infinite-cosmology from DC is too much for Beyonder, since there are places in the DC multiverse that transcend the infinite-dimensional space-time continuum by an infinite amount. Beyonder just transcend the infinite-dimensional cosmology by an finite amount with his ''Million times stronger than the multiverse''. But that's it. Owen said that he is infinite above the marvel verse, but this get's refuted by the fact that Owen could face him. This is the same thing when beings with omnipotent statements get's debunked. Anyway, Death of the endless transcend places like new gods realm, where the infinite-dimensional space-time continuum get's viewed as infinitesimal. Far above Beyonder, who just transcend infinite-D by an FINITE amount and not by an INFINITE amount.
And This
Transcending something doesn't make you capable of destroying the said thing, it only shows, you can go beyond/outside said thing.
Um, you know that those realms get's implied to be infinite bigger than the previous place? Of course place 2 is bigger than place 1 then. And infinite transcend this place would automatically implie that they can destroy it, since they view it as infinite small and meaningless then.
Death doesn't view those places like that. It is similar to Dimensional Tiering. Beyonder has better Destructive Power feats.
You know that the infinite-dimensional cosmology in DC is not everything? Because Death transcend places, that exist infinite beyond infinite-dimensional.
Isn't pre-retcon beyonder supposed to be omnipotent ?
No, just no. We give a shit about author statements. PRB showed many feats that refute his omnipotence.
Gaunlet a little bit out of order. Stops at 3. The infinite-cosmology from DC is too much for Beyonder, since there are places in the DC multiverse that transcend the infinite-dimensional space-time continuum by an infinite amount. Beyonder just transcend the infinite-dimensional cosmology by an finite amount with his ''Million times stronger than the multiverse''. But that's it. Owen said that he is infinite above the marvel verse, but this get's refuted by the fact that Owen could face him. This is the same thing when beings with omnipotent statements get's debunked. Anyway, Death of the endless transcend places like new gods realm, where the infinite-dimensional space-time continuum get's viewed as infinitesimal. Far above Beyonder, who just transcend infinite-D by an FINITE amount and not by an INFINITE amount.
And This
Transcending something doesn't make you capable of destroying the said thing, it only shows, you can go beyond/outside said thing.
Um, you know that those realms get's implied to be infinite bigger than the previous place? Of course place 2 is bigger than place 1 then. And infinite transcend this place would automatically implie that they can destroy it, since they view it as infinite small and meaningless then.
Death doesn't view those places like that. It is similar to Dimensional Tiering. Beyonder has better Destructive Power feats.
Death views all aspects of creation as insignificant because they eventually all come back to her. This was shown in Overture at a gathering of stars, realms, and higher dimensions. They were afraid of her because she claims them all in the end. In Books of Magic, she claims DC on panel as well as The other Endless. So Beyonder isn't even on her level. And no, by feats he isn't in Michael or Lucifer's ballpark. Beyonder doesn't have destructive feats greater than Lucifer or Michael's. What he has, is hyperbole.
4. 3 if we wank Oblivion
This. I'm willing to be people who disagree with 4 haven't upped their Vertigo knowledge.
Could stop at 3 if you wank Oblivion, Hard stops at 4.
Ties with 5, probablybeats 6 and 7, though debatable, Hard Stops again at 8.
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